S2 Episode 8: COTA - Watching Paint Dry

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is raids rowdy racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards. What up going on? I finally stopped sawing logs after the old stage two snooze. That lasted three weeks for me. Damn. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Almost took a picture of a Ramsey. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Taking her stage two snooze and tag Maxwell in it. [00:00:28] Speaker A: Yeah, man. Good old stage two snoozes. [00:00:32] Speaker D: I had a stage three snooze during this race. [00:00:37] Speaker B: You were in public. [00:00:38] Speaker C: How did that happen? [00:00:39] Speaker A: No, I wasn't in were. [00:00:43] Speaker D: We were at Live Oak. So this weekend, we got back from the road. [00:00:49] Speaker A: It was our last of the acoustic shows. So I finally have an off week coming up. First time in four weeks. [00:00:54] Speaker D: I'm very ready for it. We are done acousticing, and, yeah, we. [00:01:01] Speaker A: Got home, and so we took our polish victory lap and went to live. [00:01:04] Speaker D: Oak and started off with a good old bucket of mimosas, as you do. And it led to ubering home and. [00:01:12] Speaker A: Watching the race at the house because. [00:01:14] Speaker D: We were just sitting in there, and. [00:01:17] Speaker A: We actually got ready to start kind of leaving right about the time the race was starting. [00:01:21] Speaker D: So we ended up deciding to head home. And I watched the entire thing on the recording on YouTube tv, so that way I could catch it all in color vision. And, man. [00:01:35] Speaker A: It felt like it took. [00:01:36] Speaker D: Forever to watch that race. [00:01:38] Speaker A: It legitimately felt like I was watching that race for, like, three and a. [00:01:41] Speaker D: Half hours, 4 hours even with being able to skip commercials. [00:01:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I voted no. Just for everyone out there. I think it was just so we can start off to know where we're going on this podcast. I don't know what your whole opinion is. We haven't spoke about this one time yet. [00:01:58] Speaker A: No, we really haven't. I've been going and blowing, so I'm excited to hear what you have to say. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Just so we know what foot we're. [00:02:05] Speaker C: Stepping on, or I'm stepping off of. [00:02:07] Speaker B: This podcast with I. [00:02:09] Speaker D: No joke. [00:02:10] Speaker B: I'm putting it, like, top five worst. [00:02:13] Speaker C: Races I've ever seen, man. [00:02:15] Speaker A: I don't know if I can say. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Indy road course and Watkins Glenn last year are the other two races in that top five. [00:02:21] Speaker A: What I'm hearing is you just don't. [00:02:23] Speaker D: Like next gen road courses, which. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Understandable. [00:02:27] Speaker B: That is 100% correct. [00:02:29] Speaker C: Also, don't short tracks or next gen road courses, man. [00:02:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:02:35] Speaker A: So nASCAR at Coda, it has so much potential. It has so much ability to be cool. It's a cool racetrack. [00:02:43] Speaker D: It's a cool venue. [00:02:45] Speaker A: It's a wild racetrack. It should have all the things. [00:02:49] Speaker D: But the problem is, it's got this current car, and it's just like we've talked about before. [00:02:55] Speaker A: They made this current car so good. [00:02:57] Speaker D: For stuff like that that it just. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Can'T help but race poorly. Because you put 35 guys out there in the same exact equipment, nobody's going. [00:03:07] Speaker D: A lap down the tracks way too. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Long to ever catch lap traffic. [00:03:12] Speaker D: By the time a stage happens, and, I don't know, you just can't make enough good moves. [00:03:19] Speaker A: It's getting a little better. You can tell that they're able to. [00:03:22] Speaker D: At least run somewhat different lines, but the passing is just so difficult. [00:03:27] Speaker A: It just takes away any of the. [00:03:29] Speaker D: Excitement that you get to see. [00:03:32] Speaker C: You can just tell. I just think it's an f one track, and it is. It's so long. There are, what, 20 something turns? [00:03:45] Speaker B: And I heard Kevin Harvick say on. [00:03:46] Speaker C: The broadcast there's only three to four places to pass. [00:03:50] Speaker D: What's up with that? [00:03:51] Speaker B: I just don't understand. [00:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah, that's always been kind of an f one track thing. You're going to have a couple really hard corners where they open up some. [00:03:59] Speaker D: Braking zones, but it's things we've talked about a ton. [00:04:04] Speaker A: But you put into perspective on this giant road course, there's only four solid breaking zones. Like, obviously, passes are happening elsewhere. [00:04:12] Speaker D: It's not like that's the only pace anybody ever passed. [00:04:15] Speaker A: But if you really want to set up a good pass for the lead, somebody that's genuinely better than you or just as good as you are, those. [00:04:21] Speaker D: Are pretty much your four options. Yeah, we've taken everything away from that. [00:04:27] Speaker A: By giving them these giant brakes, wide. [00:04:29] Speaker D: Tires, ability to pull this car to a stop in such a short amount of time, you're not even really getting. [00:04:35] Speaker A: To play chicken like you used to. Used to. Who's going to drive it in further now? [00:04:40] Speaker D: It's like, honestly, we'll just both drive. [00:04:42] Speaker A: It into the point of no return. [00:04:44] Speaker D: And even if we kind of overblow the corner a little bit, the amount. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Of gears that this car has, it just allows you to go down and grab that extra horsepower if you're going a little slower. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Same thing. [00:04:53] Speaker A: There's not a short lot of penalty. Yeah, not a whole lot of penalty for messing up and not a lot of ability to mess up because the car so good. [00:05:00] Speaker B: I love that you brought that up, too. Even from 2021 on back, even the best you got, NaScar cup series, the 40 best drivers out there you saw. [00:05:13] Speaker C: There was multiple times. Sorry, I just kind of actually just. [00:05:18] Speaker B: Woke up, like 30 minutes ago. [00:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we both did. We had to push this one off till Tuesday morning because me and you. [00:05:23] Speaker D: Both had a lot going on yesterday. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I was literally gone all entire day yesterday. Plus, like I said, got home at like, whatever, 536 o'clock. And then I went and stopped and got some supper for us. And then we started painting. We're painting the whole inside of our house. So every day has been like a section. [00:05:40] Speaker C: The next day another section. Anyway. [00:05:43] Speaker A: And you told me you're not a fan of Peyton. Just not a fan of Peyton. [00:05:47] Speaker B: It's not the worst thing in the. [00:05:49] Speaker C: World, but it's also not the best. [00:05:51] Speaker B: Thing in the world. It's like a weird thing. It's not where it's just like, oh, my God, this is terrible. [00:05:56] Speaker C: Well, there's something that absolutely like weed. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Eating a ditch in the middle of July. That is terrible. [00:06:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that's awful. [00:06:07] Speaker C: I don't have that feeling towards painting, but I don't have just desire to do it. [00:06:14] Speaker B: But once I start doing it, it's like, okay. [00:06:16] Speaker C: It's just like getting to starting all this stuff. [00:06:20] Speaker E: I don't know. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Well, I mean, it's the one piece. [00:06:24] Speaker D: Of home improvement that anybody can do. [00:06:28] Speaker A: Well, yes, anybody can do, but it doesn't matter what room you're in. You have to completely disrupt the way that you live in that room to accomplish that project. Even though it only is going to take you probably a day to complete the project itself. Like actually putting the paint on. [00:06:42] Speaker D: Unless you're priming and all, you're looking. [00:06:44] Speaker A: At one to maybe five days worth. [00:06:46] Speaker D: Of work in each individual room. But you have to do just as much prep and post prep as you. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Would if you were completely removing the drywall. So it's just this minor inconvenience of. [00:06:59] Speaker D: Having of the chore that comes with. [00:07:01] Speaker A: This major inconvenience of changing the way you live in that room for a couple of days. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Exactly as you're saying. The couches have been in different places. The tables. We've moved in different places. Everything's been moved in different places. I mean, even right now, we moved on to the kitchen, and the kitchen is a disaster. And part of the stuff that's in the kitchen is in the living room. [00:07:23] Speaker C: And it's just, we're trying to buy. [00:07:26] Speaker B: A new kitchen table and chairs because. [00:07:29] Speaker A: Hey, shout out if you got a six seater kitchen table and you're listening to this podcast. We got a buyer on the line. He just needs to make sure that there's one, like, little oval spot in the end that can hold the feet. [00:07:42] Speaker D: Of a crock pot. So that way, when he's cooking his. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Crock pot meals that y'all sent in last week, it won't fall off the table. [00:07:48] Speaker D: So if anybody's got something like that, Randy, if you know anybody, holler at your boy here. [00:07:55] Speaker B: We've seen a few, but it's either. [00:07:57] Speaker C: Like, there's no in between with tables. [00:08:00] Speaker B: It's either, like, they're either, like six or $700 or they're, like, 50. And it's pretty much what we already had. [00:08:06] Speaker C: And we want something that's a little. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Sturdier than what we have, but also not $600. Yeah, we're trying to find, like, the middle ground. [00:08:14] Speaker D: Somewhere you can do, like, Allison's big. [00:08:17] Speaker A: Obsession is taking these $50 pieces of furniture, adding a fresh coat of paint, doing all this other stuff to it, maybe surering it up a little bit, and then all of a sudden, you have a $500 table. She loves doing stuff like that. [00:08:29] Speaker B: The thing is, there's been table that's awesome. And there's tables that people have already redone in that same thing. It's like brown and white and looks cool, or black and white. Whatever. [00:08:39] Speaker E: Looks cool. [00:08:40] Speaker C: But it's like, okay, the table looks. [00:08:42] Speaker B: Cool and the chairs look cool, but. [00:08:43] Speaker C: They'Re still like these rickety little shitty. [00:08:47] Speaker B: Chairs from Walmart or wherever. I don't even know where you buy, but whatever. [00:08:51] Speaker C: And that's what we're trying to get away from. [00:08:54] Speaker B: The table that we have is, like, hand me down from somebody in Lindsay's family, and supposedly it's like a hundred years old, and my fat ass has already busted through, like, two of the. [00:09:03] Speaker C: Chairs because the chairs are just oldest shit. [00:09:07] Speaker B: That's the issue. It's like, we want some sturdier, nicer. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Stuff, but not, like, the nicest thing you could possibly buy, which is also. [00:09:15] Speaker B: What else is out there in the world, it seems. [00:09:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. There's never an in between on that home. Furniture is just like that. [00:09:22] Speaker E: For sure. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Anyways, I'll be honest. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Speaking of watching. [00:09:26] Speaker D: Of watching paint dry. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:31] Speaker C: You brought up overshooting the corners and stuff. [00:09:34] Speaker D: That's what it was. [00:09:36] Speaker B: I love that you brought that up. Because even in the cup series, from. [00:09:39] Speaker C: 2021 to the beginning of road course racing. [00:09:45] Speaker B: No matter what, I feel like. [00:09:47] Speaker C: Even almost like once a lap, once. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Every few laps, somebody is overshooting, overcooking a tire, overdoing something. It could be the leader from the. It could be anywhere in the field. [00:09:57] Speaker C: It happened all the time. [00:09:58] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:09:59] Speaker C: And that just doesn't happen anymore. [00:10:02] Speaker B: The tire, I guess, is so wide, the brakes are so big, the shifting is so different. [00:10:08] Speaker C: It just isn't a thing. So that automatically takes away the unknown. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Factor, which I've talked about a lot this year on this podcast, which the unknown factor, I think, to me, is, like, what I have loved about racing my whole life. And it's weird that I'm just now. [00:10:27] Speaker C: Figuring that out now, but I think. [00:10:29] Speaker B: That'S what I've always liked. It's like, you just never know this, never know that. Well, like, on some of these races, specifically road courses and short tracks, other. [00:10:38] Speaker C: Than last week. [00:10:41] Speaker B: It'S like there is no unknown factor. It's just kind of what happens, happens. They run around there in a line, and then now NASCAR is, like, where. [00:10:51] Speaker C: You can go off the track and. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Literally do whatever you want to in this section, but in this section, if you're literally one inch off of this. [00:10:59] Speaker C: Spot, you're penalized, and the penalty is, like, outrageous. [00:11:06] Speaker B: You got to go pass through or stop and go in the pits. [00:11:10] Speaker C: You can't even just do it. [00:11:12] Speaker A: I was going to bring that up. [00:11:17] Speaker B: I couldn't even tell you what part. [00:11:18] Speaker C: Of the track it's on. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah, because I was going to bring that up for sure because that's in the S's correcting me off. Yes, it was in the S's. It's turned part, like four through six. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Or look like the S's to me. I'm talking about on camera, like, when they're zoomed in and you can't even really tell where they're out on the track, their parts. It's one specific corner, and if I saw a replay of the race, I could tell you the corner I'm talking about. But from the visual, looks the same, exact. Like they're turning back to the right. It's the same looking corner as they were, like, busting guys on. But on this specific corner, they were. [00:11:50] Speaker C: Allowed to go under. So it was actually in the xfinity. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Race when I first started really paying attention. And it happened in the cup race. [00:11:56] Speaker C: A bunch, too, but I was really paying attention. I was like, oh, he cut the. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Track there, and then I wouldn't hear nothing about it. And then in the other part, it's just like, you can't tell from tv. It's so zoomed in. Sometimes I can't tell where they're at on the track because it's so close to me. There was actually someone on Twitter that was taking screenshots of, like, why are we. [00:12:21] Speaker C: This zoomed in, and it was like. [00:12:23] Speaker B: All these different spots where it's like, literally all you could see is a car, and then to the car's left side, like some white and red. So you. [00:12:33] Speaker C: You literally could not tell anything. [00:12:36] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:12:36] Speaker A: And that happened over and over and over. [00:12:38] Speaker C: I'm just like, oh, my God. What is going on? [00:12:42] Speaker B: It was just frustrating. The shit out of me. I was just pissed the whole time, honestly. [00:12:46] Speaker D: Just pissed off. [00:12:47] Speaker A: Watching a NASCAR race, not how they. [00:12:49] Speaker D: Want you, but now I was weird. [00:12:51] Speaker B: For me, but I was just like, what is this? [00:12:53] Speaker A: This sucks. This blows all about. [00:12:55] Speaker C: Everything about it is just blows to me. I even posted on Facebook that it blows. [00:13:01] Speaker A: You know what gets you riled up when you're posting on Facebook? Yeah. [00:13:04] Speaker B: All my stuff I post about racing. [00:13:06] Speaker C: Is 99% of the time on Twitter. [00:13:08] Speaker B: But I posted on Facebook, I was just like, what the hell? [00:13:11] Speaker C: And then I had, like, I think. [00:13:13] Speaker B: There'S, like, ten to 15 comments, and everyone agreed. I was like, wow, okay. So everyone also agrees that this was sucked ass. [00:13:20] Speaker C: And it's like, what is going on? [00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think there was multiple issues that went on with the race yesterday in terms of how the whole thing played out. I mean, part of it is just the same thing that we've talked about. [00:13:33] Speaker D: And already talked about, with the inability for these cars to do anything crazy. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Being able to make wild moves because. [00:13:40] Speaker D: The other guy can, too. [00:13:41] Speaker A: But, yes, that was a whole nother issue. [00:13:44] Speaker D: So for anybody that may have been. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Questioning this while the race is going. [00:13:48] Speaker D: On, there's one section in the s's that you weren't allowed to shortcut. And I'm with you. [00:13:55] Speaker A: I couldn't point you out to which corner they were actually calling anybody on. [00:14:00] Speaker D: Yeah, it was just, if you had. [00:14:03] Speaker A: All four of your tires underneath the red and white curbing and into the. [00:14:07] Speaker D: Green area, you would get nabbed for. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Shortcutting the course in that one particular section. [00:14:13] Speaker D: And anybody that's ever done a go cart race, anybody that's ever even gone out at their local plex entertainment center and done a little go cart track. [00:14:24] Speaker A: You know, there are certain times where you're going to have to slow down. [00:14:26] Speaker D: In those hard corners, and then there's those certain times where you're having to. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Do a rhythmic section through an s shaped corner, that set of s shaped corners. And a lot of times, that's where a lot of speed can be made up, because sometimes you can floor it through something like that. [00:14:43] Speaker D: Maybe for the first three laps, you don't know it. But then suddenly you just go through there and never let off the gas. And it's like hitting a damn speed boost. [00:14:51] Speaker A: You just feel like you're faster than hell, you're flying. [00:14:53] Speaker D: And they're a lot of fun, but. [00:14:55] Speaker A: For some reason they decided to nab. [00:14:58] Speaker D: People for cutting those corners. But the thing is that was making me so frustrated about it is they. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Required you to do an entire pass. [00:15:09] Speaker D: Through penalty for cutting those corners. [00:15:12] Speaker A: And when they say cutting, I mean, instead of going on the red and white, you are maybe six inches under the red and white. [00:15:18] Speaker D: If you get a gain from that, it's in the hundreds of seconds. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Maybe if it's at the very early. [00:15:25] Speaker D: Part of the S's, you can get a ten. It's not this crazy huge benefit. [00:15:31] Speaker A: Like it's going to change the entirety. [00:15:32] Speaker D: Of your race if you actually manage to do it. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you're not knocking seconds off your lap. You're not knocking 30 seconds off your lap. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not like you're even missing the corner. You're still cocking your wheels over to the right to make the corner. But for some reason, I don't know if maybe it was a safety issue, there's nowhere to safely pull off on that racetrack, even though there's miles of runoff room in every direction. [00:15:54] Speaker D: It was nothing to hit. [00:15:56] Speaker A: I don't know what the reasoning was. [00:15:58] Speaker D: But whereas when you went to the. [00:16:00] Speaker A: Roval in previous years, if you miss that chicane on the back stretch, you just have to come to a complete. [00:16:05] Speaker D: Stop on the racetrack and get going again. [00:16:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's going to be debilitating. But a pass through penalty at somewhere. [00:16:11] Speaker D: Like coda, I mean, you're talking. [00:16:13] Speaker A: It's going to take you a solid 20, 30 seconds to drive down pit. [00:16:17] Speaker D: Road speed on one of the fastest. [00:16:20] Speaker A: Portions of the racetrack where you're supposed to be all out going up to. [00:16:23] Speaker D: Turn one, you're going 30 miles an. [00:16:25] Speaker A: Hour, 35 miles an hour up that. [00:16:27] Speaker D: Pit road speed just to come out. And now you've lost a huge amount of time. [00:16:33] Speaker A: You are places behind in a race where track position is absolutely, utterly the. [00:16:39] Speaker D: Most important thing you can possibly have. [00:16:41] Speaker A: I mean, you cut the S's one time and suddenly your entire race structure. [00:16:46] Speaker D: Is completely different than it was. I have a huge issue with that. [00:16:50] Speaker A: That doesn't make any sense to me. [00:16:52] Speaker D: The penalty does not fit the crime. And the crime is so easy to. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Commit because you come off a turn one with somebody on your outside and you're trying to go through that too. [00:17:00] Speaker D: Wide or you're trying to follow somebody else. [00:17:03] Speaker A: So you don't even have a good. [00:17:04] Speaker D: Sight line of where you're supposed to be hitting. [00:17:07] Speaker A: All you got to do is miss it by that much, and boom, your entire race is blown up. [00:17:11] Speaker D: That kind of stuff just irks me. Don't make it so debilitating. [00:17:16] Speaker B: I agree. [00:17:20] Speaker C: You either got to do one of. [00:17:23] Speaker B: Two things, in my opinion, it's either. [00:17:24] Speaker C: Got to be the whole entire track you can't go off of, or there's no track limits at all. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Because the other part that was pissing me off was whenever that corner you're talking about where they could go all the way down, they're all the way so far down, they've got a rut cut into the grass, the whole track. Track. [00:17:41] Speaker B: The track was dirty. They weren't on the track anymore. They didn't touch the asphalt or even the curbing. They were running in the dirt, and. [00:17:48] Speaker A: It was throwing tires completely. Yeah, right side tires completely into the grass. But that is not considered cutting the racetrack. That's considered a legal move. [00:17:58] Speaker B: I don't understand. [00:17:59] Speaker A: I'll never get it, either. I can't make it make sense. I'm sure they probably have a really. [00:18:04] Speaker D: Good pr reason why that's the case. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah, but I will never understand it. I think if you're going to call them for cutting the track in one spot, it needs to be everywhere in the same rule everywhere. Because I was looking at them, I. [00:18:15] Speaker D: Was like, tires fully in the green can't be doing that. No penalty. Don't even see the guy shortcut. [00:18:23] Speaker A: I can't remember one time they actually. [00:18:25] Speaker D: Showed someone shortcutting the track. [00:18:27] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:18:27] Speaker D: If they did, it was very quick. [00:18:29] Speaker A: And it was so minor, I couldn't have even told you, watching it live it had happened. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Well, I just know we're talking about all these new fans and new people. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Like, new eyes on the sport or whatever. I know if a guy like me. [00:18:42] Speaker C: Or you can't catch on to what. [00:18:45] Speaker B: The penalty is, why the penalty is happening, and where the penalty is happening at. If we can't catch on to that in a broadcast or even over the course of two days worth of racing. [00:18:55] Speaker C: There with the trucks and the xfinity and then cup, then I know that. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Every other Tom, Dick, and Harry that's, like, just tuned into this is so. [00:19:04] Speaker C: Confused, what is going on. [00:19:07] Speaker D: Very true. [00:19:08] Speaker C: And I hate that it comes down to this judgment call, which Mike Joy. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Or someone in the broadcast was, like, trying to make it sound like that human element thing was like a cool thing. [00:19:21] Speaker C: And it's like, yes and no, because. [00:19:24] Speaker B: I heard, like, that Connor Zillich, I think is how you say his last name. Apologize if that's not correct. As bad as it sounds, I'd actually never even heard that kid till this weekend. But apparently he's like prodigy and this awesome, talented, mean, he obviously is. [00:19:39] Speaker C: He went out and beat field by like seven tenths of a second and his first time ever being in a truck in qualifying. But. [00:19:50] Speaker B: He was even saying he'd be behind somebody and be like, they just cut the course, but you're going to let that slide. But this other time, not let it slide. It kind of reminds me that same rule as in the xfinity cars, locking. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Bumpers at a plate track. [00:20:05] Speaker B: They do not call it at the end of the race. They never have. They're never going to do that. And I could not believe they caught it on Shane at the end of the xfinity race. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Oh, I thought that was interview horseshit. [00:20:19] Speaker B: And he finishes like second or whatever, and he's doing his interview and he. [00:20:23] Speaker A: Fought so hard for racing their asses. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Off and you're going to hit him with that. [00:20:27] Speaker C: Like, I can guarantee you, guarantee you. [00:20:33] Speaker B: Whoever, if it didn't matter who was winning the race, any of those three. [00:20:37] Speaker C: Drivers, if the winning car would have. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Been the one that dipped off and did something, they're not going to call it on the winning car because they're not going to do that. They never, ever would do that, ever. Same thing. Like a plate track. What I was talking about earlier, they're. [00:20:53] Speaker C: Not going to do that. [00:20:55] Speaker A: I've only seen it happen. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Going to do it. [00:20:57] Speaker D: Yeah, the whole deal. [00:21:01] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it was definitely like, that just adds up. [00:21:06] Speaker C: Black mark hating this whole deal. [00:21:08] Speaker D: Yeah, it definitely was the black mark. [00:21:10] Speaker A: Of the weekend for me. It ruined a lot. It made it feel disingenuous. [00:21:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:15] Speaker A: Just like, especially the end of the xfinity race was awesome. Without a doubt, the most egregious use. [00:21:21] Speaker D: Of it, because after watching three guys. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Race that hard and have. I mean, I was having a ball watching the end of that race, it was awesome. [00:21:32] Speaker D: But I can't go back and watch it. [00:21:35] Speaker A: It's one of those race finishes where I would go back and watch it and I'd say this would have been. [00:21:39] Speaker D: Cool, but the guy that just beat. [00:21:41] Speaker A: And banged and almost won the race. [00:21:42] Speaker D: And still managed to finish second, actually finished 26. And you cannot point to me without. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Me telling you why he finished in 26. [00:21:51] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:21:52] Speaker A: You can watch the entirety of that. [00:21:53] Speaker D: Last overtime restart, and I guarantee you. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Probably could not tell me why he finished in 26. [00:21:58] Speaker D: And that's what makes me upset, because he didn't do anything wrong. [00:22:04] Speaker A: If it was really that big of a benefit, he would have won the. [00:22:06] Speaker D: Race, just plain and simple. [00:22:09] Speaker A: So, at the end of the day, I'm just so frustrated by that one. [00:22:13] Speaker D: Particular rule that maybe the race could have been boring. [00:22:17] Speaker A: Because you know what? Boring races happen. It's just part of NASCAR. It used to be where one guy. [00:22:21] Speaker D: Would finish on the damn lead lap. Boring races happen. [00:22:24] Speaker A: And that's okay, because it makes the. [00:22:26] Speaker D: Exciting ones that much more exciting. But when it's boring, and I just. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Get so deflated by the way in. [00:22:33] Speaker D: Which the rule structure happens, you've got two major issues going on here, and. [00:22:39] Speaker A: I just can't get behind it because I've never heard of somebody going out. [00:22:42] Speaker D: Of line at Watkins Glenn. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Never heard of somebody getting a pass through penalty for going out of line at the Roval. [00:22:48] Speaker B: They've paid pieces of Watkins Glenn to make it where you can go out there. I've heard people say it was way cooler, and I remember this, like, when turn one at Watkins Glenn, you take that dead 90 deg right turn in the first corner, all that used to. [00:23:03] Speaker C: Be gravel, and people would get mad. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Because the car would be stuck out there and this, that, and other, and I totally get that. But by making all of that paved, you don't have to break as hard. And that's like your racetrack now. So you just go way out here. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Whatever. I have two things to say about. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Another track limit thing, and then I want to talk about the Dud NASCAR races. [00:23:28] Speaker C: If you were watching the race, I think, as, like, a first time person. [00:23:33] Speaker B: And I think this was the second to last. This was the first overtime restart in the Xfinity race, when SVG gets down on the inside and he takes it way wide and goes out to the white line. I think he was even over the. [00:23:46] Speaker C: White line and pushed Ty Gibbs and. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Maybe Almondinger, whoever it was, I think it was way out there. [00:23:50] Speaker C: That's when Almondinger and Gibbs had their. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Little issue, because Gibbs was thinking that Almandinger just ran him out there. [00:23:55] Speaker E: Whatever. [00:23:56] Speaker D: Okay. [00:23:57] Speaker C: To the naked eye, if I was. [00:24:00] Speaker B: Watching a race and we're doing this whole track limit thing, and I'm just hearing about track limit things for the first time, I would have saw that. [00:24:06] Speaker C: And been like, that was more egregious. [00:24:09] Speaker B: And bad than whatever they called him. [00:24:11] Speaker C: For in the s's like doing something that drastic, which I'm team no track limit. [00:24:17] Speaker B: So this is not my. I'm just saying, if you're going to. [00:24:22] Speaker C: Break down two plays of this race. [00:24:25] Speaker B: And you said, which one of these is a penalty? And I didn't know what was going on, I'd probably say the one with him just taking everybody wide, taking them off the track, out of the groove, himself included. [00:24:35] Speaker C: That looked worse to me than, like. [00:24:39] Speaker B: You said, you can't even pick out what happened. [00:24:41] Speaker A: We're watching it. The last lap. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Last two laps. That race was awesome. [00:24:44] Speaker C: I did not think anybody did anything wrong. [00:24:47] Speaker A: No, but I'm just now they're not so awesome. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Imagine 2012 Watkins Glenn. If one of those guys would have got, when they're slipping and sliding and going all over that racetrack, like, imagine. [00:24:59] Speaker C: If one of those guys had a penalty and it knocked them 30 seconds back. [00:25:04] Speaker B: That makes that finish not cool anymore. It's not on the top list of, like, top five best finishes in NASCAR. [00:25:10] Speaker A: And another thing, just to add to that, and I'll let you keep on going, is that happened at the very beginning of the racetrack, and I guarantee you he never heard about getting a penalty until the race was over. So you're telling me that he did. [00:25:23] Speaker D: Not allow this guy to race an. [00:25:26] Speaker A: Entire last lap, race with the other. [00:25:28] Speaker D: Two leaders and affect the way that. [00:25:31] Speaker A: The finish happened, even though you knew. [00:25:33] Speaker D: From turn four that he was not going to finish in the position he was in? [00:25:38] Speaker A: That's what I just hear is now you've let somebody who you're already going to penalize manipulate the finish of a race for the lead, not even just for somebody in the middle. [00:25:46] Speaker B: That man was out of the car, giving his interview as a second place driver in his head, smiling like a possum eating green shit, like he was that pumped up about it. And then they say he's going to be sad to know that here shortly they've knocked him back to 27th. So you are exactly 1000% right. He did not know until he turned. [00:26:04] Speaker C: Around after the end. That stuff is just stupid. [00:26:11] Speaker A: That is stupid. [00:26:12] Speaker B: That is stupid all the way around. [00:26:13] Speaker A: I just wanted to add that into your little rant so we keep on going. [00:26:17] Speaker B: I agree 110%. That is just dumb all the way around. Secondly, about the dud NASCAR races. Dud NASCAR races have been happening since the beginning of time. [00:26:28] Speaker C: They will always happen. [00:26:30] Speaker B: My biggest problem in 2024 in these next gen cars is there are certain racetracks that you automatically know are going to be duds. And they do absolutely nothing to fix. [00:26:45] Speaker C: It or help it not be a dud. [00:26:47] Speaker B: It's just like you go in and you know it's a dud. [00:26:50] Speaker C: And this know, we know what was going to happen yesterday. We knew it. [00:26:56] Speaker B: I mean, we knew it was going to happen at Bristol until it so like, that was that thing that made it different. So change it up, whatever. [00:27:03] Speaker C: But, you know, we have seen it. [00:27:06] Speaker B: At these road courses. [00:27:08] Speaker C: They are duds. [00:27:10] Speaker B: You have to do something. I said it last week, maybe the week before, whatever. It's the same kind of deal to me as like an NFL owner who has the fans breathing down his neck. [00:27:21] Speaker C: About making a change in the team. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Whether it be head coach, quarterback, player, whatever, breathing down their neck about that. And those owners feel that, so they. [00:27:32] Speaker C: Know if they don't keep people involved. [00:27:35] Speaker B: And excited that they're not going to sell tickets. And, you know, who pays those salaries? [00:27:38] Speaker D: Those ticket sales. [00:27:40] Speaker B: So they have to make a move. They have to do something to get everybody fired up. Like, there's a reason why Coda is. [00:27:48] Speaker C: The least watched race of the season, in my opinion. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Yeah, because a lot of people weren't looking into it. [00:27:53] Speaker C: Yeah, there's guys like me and mean. [00:27:56] Speaker B: I'm going to watch every race, but I could have not watched that race. [00:28:00] Speaker C: And my life wouldn't have changed at all. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Not everybody's like us, for sure, because I was even talking with the in between every run, I have to go. [00:28:10] Speaker D: Turn in all the cash that we made through merchandise sales to our merch company. So I went over there, and the. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Guy that I actually talked to, he's. [00:28:21] Speaker D: About our age and he's into NASCAR. [00:28:25] Speaker A: He talks about it. He wants to go to Dega or something. So we kind of catch up about. [00:28:29] Speaker C: It every now and then. [00:28:31] Speaker A: And he asked, how was the race this weekend? And I was like, it was a road course. [00:28:34] Speaker D: It was boring as hell. [00:28:36] Speaker A: And he's like, yeah, I didn't even watch, man. I just can't really get into the road courses. [00:28:40] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. People aren't going to. [00:28:42] Speaker A: People know, yes, just to support your. [00:28:45] Speaker D: Point, people know that these races are not going to be good, and so. [00:28:50] Speaker A: They just don't tune in. And that's the problem is we reacted so hard to road courses being one of the only entertaining races that we. [00:28:57] Speaker D: Had back in the previous generation. [00:28:59] Speaker A: We added all these road courses in. [00:29:02] Speaker D: And then ended up with a car. [00:29:03] Speaker A: That does not perform well on these road courses. And I don't know what they have in terms of leases at these tracks that are signed up contractually to run. [00:29:10] Speaker D: A certain number of events. Yeah, but if you're going to make. [00:29:15] Speaker A: Us watch this many road courses, and I was a proponent for it back in the day, and if anybody ever. [00:29:20] Speaker D: Heard me say that I still stood. [00:29:22] Speaker A: By it then, I don't stand by it now because it's a different situation. We need to understand that it's a different situation, and we need to be. [00:29:30] Speaker D: Taking wild swings at it. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I feel like we hear so much about the short track and what they're. [00:29:34] Speaker D: Trying to do for that, but I. [00:29:36] Speaker A: Don'T really know what they're trying to. [00:29:38] Speaker D: Do for road courses or if they. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Even have an idea of what to do, because the problem is so. There's so many different reasons why we. [00:29:46] Speaker D: Have a problem at the road courses. [00:29:48] Speaker A: That I don't know if they really have a good idea of what they can do. [00:29:52] Speaker D: Because you're talking, we have a tire problem, a shifting problem, and an aero problem all at one racetrack with a short track. It's one thing because you're wearing those. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Tires out in an even way, and it's a little bit more predictable because. [00:30:06] Speaker D: It'S all one turn. [00:30:07] Speaker A: So you can manipulate the car to affect that. But with the road course package, you have to worry about every sharp turn. [00:30:14] Speaker D: Every not so sharp turn, every straightaway, every series of s corners, passing zones. It's a lot more of a complicated animal. But we've made our bed. We need to do something drastic here. [00:30:29] Speaker A: To make it better, and I don't have the answer to that. I'm not a mechanic. I'm not an engineer. But one thing I do know is I haven't heard a whole lot about. [00:30:36] Speaker D: Any sort of proposed solutions. [00:30:39] Speaker A: The only thing we've done recently is. [00:30:40] Speaker D: Take cautions away at stage breaks just. [00:30:43] Speaker A: To put them right back in, because we realized that green flag racing naturally. [00:30:46] Speaker D: Letting a race play out is just the worst thing NASCAR can think of anymore. [00:30:53] Speaker A: It's what keeps them up at night. Letting a race naturally play was just. [00:30:57] Speaker D: Because it was so bad. [00:31:00] Speaker B: They're like, well, it was so bad, we have to build in the caution. I think another thing about road courses, too, and people not tuning in is. [00:31:08] Speaker C: I don't hear any driver promoting, like. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Man, you got to watch this one. [00:31:14] Speaker C: You know what I mean? No one talks about and wants to promote it because of the product. [00:31:25] Speaker B: They always use, like the first race to ever watch. As a NASCAR fan, I can tell you I'm not going to. [00:31:31] Speaker E: No. [00:31:32] Speaker B: As my first time taking my budy to a NASCAR race, trying to get him into it. [00:31:36] Speaker C: You know what? [00:31:38] Speaker B: Not that. I am not saying that every race has to be three wide and all this. And I know people are going to listen to this and think that all I care about is wrecks and three wide racing and all this, and that. [00:31:47] Speaker C: Is not what I'm saying at all whatsoever. I'm just saying that road course racing in this car is atrocious. [00:31:56] Speaker B: And there are guys, I've heard Brad Kezelowski and I have heard Denny Hamlin say these exact things. [00:32:02] Speaker C: We are in a time right now. [00:32:05] Speaker B: In 2024 where we can move stuff around on the schedule and we can change racetracks. The Roval doesn't have to be a thing. These certain things can all get switched up. Nascar or SMI owns Sonoma. Like certain things like that. And I'm not saying take Sonoma away. Sonoma has been around for freaking longer. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Than I've been alive. [00:32:24] Speaker B: I'm just saying. [00:32:27] Speaker C: If the racing product. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Is so bad at this certain type. [00:32:30] Speaker C: Of racetrack in today's time, when we. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Have the opportunity to change the schedule. [00:32:36] Speaker C: As much as we do with this. [00:32:38] Speaker B: Car, why would you not take away the road courses and throw in more mile and a half and throw in more things where this car excels at. [00:32:46] Speaker C: To have more races that are bangers. [00:32:49] Speaker B: That just makes the most sense. [00:32:51] Speaker C: Like, same thing with how so many road courses got into the schedule was because the road courses were bangers. [00:32:59] Speaker B: So they were like, we need more road courses. We need more road courses. And then we got them and then the car changes. I mean, you literally just said that. [00:33:05] Speaker C: I'm just reiterating that that's what. [00:33:07] Speaker B: So, like, as fast as they. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Can'T. [00:33:12] Speaker B: They have proved they make all these changes and all this stuff. [00:33:15] Speaker C: They can take them. [00:33:16] Speaker B: Know, that's why when Dale Jr. And Denny Hamlin. I know I always talk about what Denny Hamlin says, but he's the most vocal guy and he says a lot of things. Denny Hamlin says, I agree with a. [00:33:28] Speaker C: Lot, but it's like, okay, we want. [00:33:30] Speaker B: To take NASCAR internationally, right? Whether it be Canada, Mexico, wherever, Japan, whatever. [00:33:37] Speaker C: You cannot take NASCAR and put it on an international track and be a. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Road course and let that be your first. [00:33:47] Speaker C: Here's NASCAR. [00:33:49] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:33:49] Speaker A: It needs to be an oval. [00:33:50] Speaker C: It has to be an oval. It has to. Because if not, it's just a dud. They already know that it's a dud. [00:34:03] Speaker A: If that's the direction they want to. [00:34:04] Speaker D: Go in, you got to understand that to get people's attention. [00:34:09] Speaker A: You've got to show them something they. [00:34:10] Speaker D: Have never seen before. [00:34:12] Speaker A: And you're not going to go international and give them road courses they've never. [00:34:17] Speaker D: Seen before, because I guarantee you, anything you can do, they've already done better. So take something there that their minds cannot even comprehend. The idea of going into a Bristol motor speedway, trying to lap around cars. [00:34:38] Speaker A: With their tires falling off of the. [00:34:39] Speaker D: Damn car, beating and banging, trying to. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Get around each other. Obviously, it's going to be hard to find like a mile and a half track somewhere like that because they're just. [00:34:47] Speaker D: Not going to have them, but just. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Give them a short track to run around in an oval. Even if we got to. We've already proved we can do it at the coliseum. [00:34:56] Speaker D: Make a damn track and put them on an oval and then let them. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Open it up, let them eat and let them get after each other and make the prize worth it enough that they're going to go out there and. [00:35:06] Speaker E: Get bites over it. [00:35:07] Speaker A: That's what you need on something like that. [00:35:09] Speaker D: But we've proved time and time again that there are moments where the road courses are cool. [00:35:16] Speaker A: We had that moment where Chastain was. [00:35:18] Speaker D: Blocking and it was like three cars. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Battling for the lead right there. That was awesome. I think that was in stage two. [00:35:24] Speaker D: Or early stage three. [00:35:25] Speaker A: That was phenomenal. I enjoyed the hell out of that. Chastain blocking at Coda is one of the. [00:35:30] Speaker D: Is a masterclass in how to keep the lead. [00:35:33] Speaker A: It was a lot of fun to. [00:35:34] Speaker D: Watch, watching Shane do some of the. [00:35:37] Speaker A: Things he was doing, both in the Xfinity and in the cup series. [00:35:39] Speaker D: Just goes to show you that you. [00:35:41] Speaker A: Give somebody that much experience at road courses, he's going to do things with. [00:35:44] Speaker D: The car you didn't even know is possible. And he did that a few times. [00:35:49] Speaker A: Where I was just mind blown, like, holy crap. I can't believe he managed to make. [00:35:52] Speaker D: That move work, but then also was. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Using the aggression of being able to actually hit each other in NASCAR. [00:35:58] Speaker D: So Shane was a lot of fun to watch, but these other guys, they. [00:36:03] Speaker A: Don'T have the experience on road courses. And frankly, I don't think some of. [00:36:06] Speaker D: Them could be bothered to try to. [00:36:10] Speaker A: Make that a style that they genuinely excel at. I think they're really just looking at these things saying, hey, let's just go. [00:36:15] Speaker D: Try to get a top ten, move. [00:36:17] Speaker A: On to something else that we know. [00:36:19] Speaker D: You can win at. [00:36:21] Speaker A: I really think that you're trying to chase something that isn't going to happen. These cars are too good. You need genuine skill behind the wheel. [00:36:28] Speaker D: To make it fun, and we're just. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Not going to have that because that's not our bread and butter. [00:36:33] Speaker D: That's not what we're built around. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker A: So give them the track so they. [00:36:36] Speaker D: Can really go out there and showcase what they are good at. [00:36:40] Speaker A: And I guarantee you it will translate. [00:36:42] Speaker D: Into people giving a damn. [00:36:43] Speaker C: Totally. They already have great road course racing internationally everywhere. So if you go there with these cars. [00:36:53] Speaker B: I heard the guy that was driving the 50 car that I think he's from Japan. [00:36:57] Speaker D: Kobayashi. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Yes. He says he's like, the biggest appeal would be the sound of the car. [00:37:02] Speaker C: He was like, we don't have a car that sounds like a NASCAR cup car. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:07] Speaker D: That is cool. [00:37:08] Speaker C: But what he's also saying is we have racing and cars that probably put. [00:37:14] Speaker B: On a show at these type of. [00:37:15] Speaker C: Tracks better than what this. [00:37:18] Speaker B: So I really do think if they. [00:37:21] Speaker C: Did that, you got to go to. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Like you said, it's got to be a short track, an oval track, whatever it is, you got to go somewhere to show. Like, you got to give the NASCar. [00:37:30] Speaker C: Experience as a whole. [00:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I want rednecks beating the shit out of each other in pit road. [00:37:35] Speaker B: I don't exactly. [00:37:36] Speaker A: A bunch of guys arguing about how many times have I wrecked you in. [00:37:39] Speaker D: The past, Kyle Bush, Christopher Bell style, after the race. [00:37:44] Speaker B: We can talk about that real quick. I loved everything about Kyle Bush. [00:37:49] Speaker C: I wanted Kyle Busch to just go. [00:37:53] Speaker B: Into Christopher Bell and just tear it up. I thought it was going to happen. [00:37:57] Speaker C: And I was like, that could have saved my day. [00:38:01] Speaker A: I think they've been around each other for too long. I think Kyle's always been. I mean, no way around it. Had to have been a mentor to. [00:38:08] Speaker D: Christopher Bell for all these years, working. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Together on the same team. And I'm pretty sure, I don't know how many different truck races he did. Like, how many truck races has he drone with Kyle Bush, his boss? [00:38:20] Speaker C: His whole career was in a Kyle bush truck. [00:38:23] Speaker A: So you combine those two things. I think Kyle was just straight up. [00:38:26] Speaker D: Like, don't get your big boy britches on. [00:38:29] Speaker A: Just still. Just remember where you came from. [00:38:32] Speaker C: Yeah, dude. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Kyle's like, looks like he's saying like, you've wrecked me not once, not twice, but three times. And then when they finally get the audio clear enough, we can hear at the end, he was like, have I ever wrecked you? [00:38:42] Speaker C: He's like, no. [00:38:43] Speaker D: Kyle's like, exactly. It's coming. [00:38:45] Speaker B: And he's, yeah, just get promising there's. [00:38:50] Speaker C: Drivers that promise stuff that I'm like, that'll never happen. [00:38:53] Speaker B: But Kyle Busch is not that guy. Kyle Bush is probably going to make. [00:38:56] Speaker C: Christopher Bell's life hell for probably the. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Rest of the summer, if not the. [00:39:00] Speaker D: Rest of the year, at least until. [00:39:02] Speaker A: There'S some big moment where Bell gives him a solid extra inch on the. [00:39:07] Speaker D: Racetrack where he's just like, got it. [00:39:09] Speaker A: Out of your way. [00:39:10] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:39:10] Speaker A: Do you think, boss? [00:39:11] Speaker B: But it's going to change the way bell races when he's around. [00:39:15] Speaker D: Will see what that turns into. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Me, too, like going down into. We got Richmond coming up. Kyle's good there and toyotas are good there, so I could see them both. [00:39:25] Speaker D: Running up front, depending on how well RCR shows up to that racetrack. Yeah, you got a few other ones. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Coming up way later down the road where maybe, you never know. Maybe Kyle isn't going to be excelling and he's just going to see Christopher. [00:39:39] Speaker D: Bell coming up, like when he's running. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Away with it at New Hampshire. [00:39:42] Speaker D: Like he happens to do all the freaking time. Yeah, maybe he's just about to get. [00:39:46] Speaker A: Lapped and suddenly he becomes the hardest car to pass on. [00:39:48] Speaker B: Makes his bumper three cars. [00:39:51] Speaker D: It could. [00:39:52] Speaker A: It could really turn into something fun. [00:39:54] Speaker D: I'm loving all the new rivalries we got going on. Blainey, Chastain, Bush, bell. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Somebody else was pissed off after the race this week and I can't remember. Oh, Gibbs and almondinger. [00:40:07] Speaker D: Like, just keep it coming. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Let's just bring more and more and. [00:40:09] Speaker D: More and more of that. [00:40:11] Speaker C: I agree. [00:40:12] Speaker B: I wanted to bring this up and. [00:40:15] Speaker C: This is about Tommy Joe Martin. And I'll be honest, I've made fun. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Of Tommy Joe Martin a lot in. [00:40:22] Speaker C: My life, but not Tommy Joe Martin. [00:40:26] Speaker B: Listens his podcast or gives a fuck about anything I have to say, but. [00:40:29] Speaker C: I'm going to say it anyway. [00:40:30] Speaker D: Okay, so he makes this post and. [00:40:33] Speaker C: Is basically like, look, our partners love Austin, Texas. [00:40:38] Speaker B: They love coming to Koda. [00:40:39] Speaker C: Like, Coda ain't going anywhere. And I just want to say, your. [00:40:45] Speaker B: Partners love Coda because of Austin, Texas. They're going to be real shocked when they think this is this humongous big event and we can't sell any tickets because their racing product and this track. [00:40:57] Speaker C: For a NASCAR is just not know. [00:41:02] Speaker B: And I hate that he has to post that and try to force feed that down a fan's throat when we. [00:41:08] Speaker C: All know we could take all of his partners and go to a Bristol race. Last Atlanta. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Kansas, any mile and a half. It's like, yes. Does being in the middle of BFE Kansas make your partners want to do backflips? [00:41:28] Speaker C: Probably not. [00:41:29] Speaker B: But does the racing and the atmosphere and that NASCAR thing happen in the. [00:41:35] Speaker C: Middle of Bfe Kansas? Yes. [00:41:38] Speaker B: And that's what you're buying into. You're not buying into Austin, Texas. [00:41:41] Speaker C: You're buying into what NASCAR is. [00:41:45] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:41:46] Speaker B: So. [00:41:47] Speaker A: And at the end of the day, we talked about it with Brandon earlier this year on this podcast where he said it's a lot easier to sell a sponsorship to a destination racetrack than it ever is going to be to sell to one that's got great racing, but it's in the middle of nowhere. [00:42:00] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:42:00] Speaker D: It's like, of course, as a sponsor. [00:42:03] Speaker A: You want to go out and spend the same amount of money on a car in the Xfinity series for a. [00:42:07] Speaker D: Coda when you can get you all your executives and everybody that's going is. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Going to be staying in a really nice, up and coming national city that's got all these extra benefits on top. [00:42:17] Speaker D: Of just the race. Like, of course your sponsors want to sponsor it, but we can't make money at it. [00:42:23] Speaker A: It doesn't matter what your sponsor wants. [00:42:25] Speaker C: We're going somewhere else. Yeah. [00:42:27] Speaker A: NASCAR will abandon that track if it has to at some point, just to go somewhere where they can actually sell. [00:42:32] Speaker C: Tickets exactly in the race and puts on a better show. And the thing is, too, I'd like to see statistics on this, but Coda. [00:42:45] Speaker B: Is so humongous and so spread out. And so, I mean, you have literally. [00:42:50] Speaker C: Drivers that are over a minute from the leaders. [00:42:53] Speaker B: Like, I saw people that were literally. [00:42:54] Speaker C: Over 60 seconds off the leaders, like. [00:42:57] Speaker B: In the 30s or whatever. [00:42:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:42:59] Speaker B: A guy like Tommy, Joe Martin, his guys aren't running top five, top ten. They literally are only showing. I know this is like an every week thing. They only show the guys running up. [00:43:07] Speaker D: Front, but at least. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Somewhere where they. [00:43:14] Speaker C: Run qualifying, that's, like, by itself, you. [00:43:17] Speaker B: Have a better chance of getting on tv time on a Friday or Saturday and then possibly being on tv more at a race like that than you ever do at Coda because you're going to go out in a group qualifying. They're going to talk about AJ Almandinger and SVG and. [00:43:33] Speaker C: Ty Gibbs. Nobody's talking about Ty Dillon. [00:43:37] Speaker B: Talk about those guys. And your car's probably on track, and. [00:43:41] Speaker C: Those sponsors are probably like, kind of. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Like what Brandon talked about, too. [00:43:44] Speaker C: Like, well, why weren't we on there? [00:43:46] Speaker B: It's like, well, you're sponsoring a. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Like, I don't to. [00:43:50] Speaker B: There's just so many things I just. [00:43:51] Speaker C: Thought were wrong with this thing. [00:43:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:43:55] Speaker B: I don't know. Just kind of like, what's the word? Almost tries to make the fan look. [00:44:01] Speaker C: Dumb in a way. [00:44:02] Speaker B: And it's like, dude, we're not dumb. [00:44:06] Speaker A: We want to see. You may be worried about where they're spending their money, but we're worried about where we're spending our money. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:12] Speaker A: And where we're paying attention. [00:44:14] Speaker B: We're the ones that buy the tickets and not me and you specifically. But if you looked at Cody yesterday or Saturday when Kyle Larson got out. [00:44:23] Speaker C: Of the car and they pan over to the left, there's nobody up there. [00:44:26] Speaker B: And I'm not being Mr. Attendance guy or nothing, but I'm just. [00:44:29] Speaker C: Saying, like, go last week to Bristol. [00:44:34] Speaker B: When we said they ended up saying there's 82,000 people, tickets sold or whatever at Bristol. I looked it up. [00:44:40] Speaker C: Metlife Stadium is the biggest capacity. The Dallas Cowboys have more than that. [00:44:46] Speaker B: But it's like this general emission thing, so they can do this thing in the inside. [00:44:49] Speaker D: It's creative. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Pure ticket sales, like straight up ticket sales of the seat. The biggest NFL stadium is Metlife at 82,000. [00:44:57] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Okay, so we sold out an NFL NFL stadium at Bristol. [00:45:02] Speaker B: So would you rather go to a place where there's 82,000 fans sitting right there on top of you, looking at what you're doing, or you want to go to Austin, Texas, where I know there was 82,000 fans? I don't know the number. I don't know anything about it. [00:45:16] Speaker D: You hardly get any tv time. [00:45:19] Speaker B: No tv time. And I saw videos of people at the track. You only see a car go by. [00:45:24] Speaker C: Every few seconds, and it takes another three minutes for them to come back around. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very true. At the end of the day, it. [00:45:34] Speaker C: Was just dumb to me. [00:45:35] Speaker A: At the end of the day, the whole point of a NASCAR sponsorship is to get eyes on your brand. And if there are no eyes watching the event, it doesn't matter how much you like the area. [00:45:45] Speaker D: If you're talking sincere marketing activation, it's. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Not happening at a track like that. It's going to happen at your Bristols, where even if your car is three laps down, you're probably going to be in the frame about once every 25 laps when the leader comes back around. [00:46:00] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:46:01] Speaker D: You're going to get seen a lot tv time. Exactly. Getting laughed at Coda. [00:46:04] Speaker A: And it takes three minutes, every single one of 80,000 people in the stands, except for the ones on the very bottom rows that just can't see over. [00:46:11] Speaker D: The haulers are seeing your car all. [00:46:14] Speaker A: The way around the track the entire time. [00:46:16] Speaker E: Yes. [00:46:18] Speaker D: That's the thing is I think NASCAR. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Certain people in NASCAR are a little stuck in the past where the sponsorship. [00:46:27] Speaker D: Dollar was king, but that was back when sponsorships were for an entire year, not for just a select number of races. You had major brand activation going on. [00:46:38] Speaker A: With all of them. You had drivers making appearances. [00:46:41] Speaker D: You had cardboard cutouts at the checkout line. You had a lot of things that. [00:46:45] Speaker A: It wasn't just the sponsor says, hey. [00:46:48] Speaker D: Here'S a few hundred thousand dollars, that. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Should be enough, right? It was the sponsor saying, we're not just going to invest in this, but we're going to invest in your brand identity so that way we can cross. [00:46:58] Speaker D: Pollinate all of your people and all. [00:47:00] Speaker A: Of our people are going to be seeing each other. It just isn't that way anymore. [00:47:04] Speaker D: It's almost like this is not indicative. [00:47:08] Speaker A: Of every sponsor, but it feels like somewhat sponsors have even gotten a little. [00:47:12] Speaker D: Bit, I don't know, spoiled where they. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Just assume because we threw money at you, that should be enough. [00:47:18] Speaker E: Right? [00:47:19] Speaker D: And at the end of the day, right now, I think certain people are. [00:47:24] Speaker A: Still so worried about that sponsor dollar. [00:47:26] Speaker D: That they're missing the entirety of the. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Point of the sponsorship to begin with. It's like I just have to sell. [00:47:33] Speaker D: The sponsorship when I'm with Denny on this. [00:47:37] Speaker A: That tv deal is bringing more money into the sport than ever. [00:47:40] Speaker D: If you really wanted to see genuinely what race car drivers, race teams and NASCAR can put together, why don't we. [00:47:51] Speaker A: Get ourselves off of the frickin sponsorship. [00:47:55] Speaker D: Hind tit chasing and put the money. [00:47:59] Speaker A: Into the teams where it really matters and let them kind of free themselves. [00:48:03] Speaker D: A little bit from that. You're going to see drivers that weren't. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Able to get as much sponsorship with. [00:48:08] Speaker D: A lot more talent come in and. [00:48:10] Speaker A: Fill those seats that these guys that. [00:48:12] Speaker D: Are pay to play guys are filling now. Because at that point, your money is not coming from your driver. Your money is coming from your talent and your ability and how well you. [00:48:22] Speaker A: Finish on the racetrack. You want to see people want to. [00:48:25] Speaker D: Improve, then put an incentive in front of them to be better and you'll. [00:48:31] Speaker A: Start seeing a lot of drivers and a lot of teams change up the. [00:48:34] Speaker D: Way that they act to make sure that they're finishing up front every single. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Week rather than chasing sponsorship dollars off the track. That's almost more of where the racing happens. [00:48:45] Speaker B: They, if you put a good product. [00:48:47] Speaker C: On the track and you have races. [00:48:50] Speaker B: Like most of the races we've had this year, other than Phoenix and Coda, Phoenix is another one of them destination places that everybody talks about selling out. Great place, great facility. [00:49:00] Speaker C: All this. [00:49:01] Speaker B: I understand. [00:49:02] Speaker C: I'm just saying, if you put on. [00:49:04] Speaker B: Great product on the track, sponsors are. [00:49:07] Speaker C: Going to come regardless. [00:49:08] Speaker D: If you build it, they will come. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Exactly. Another thing about Tommy Joe's, their team. [00:49:15] Speaker C: Is called Alpha prime. And another thing I want to say that I feel like falls into exactly what me and you are saying. [00:49:24] Speaker B: And here again, I'm not saying that. [00:49:26] Speaker C: Every race has to be Talladega, but why do you think I cannot tell you what one of his sponsors are. [00:49:34] Speaker B: Any other weekend of the season? [00:49:37] Speaker C: But for loco, one of the biggest. [00:49:39] Speaker B: Rowdiest, craziest brands of drinking and partying that's out there. [00:49:44] Speaker C: They do two races for that team every single year, and it's Talladeg. [00:49:50] Speaker B: And they do all these wild and crazy promotions on TikTok, all these wild and crazy things. They post on Twitter, they give away cruise shirts, they give away all this stuff, all the cool stuff that you. [00:49:59] Speaker C: Were literally just talking about, they do for Talladega, you know where Coda's not going to sponsor. I mean, you know where for loco is not going to. Doesn't. [00:50:10] Speaker B: That's not their brand, it's not their style. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Whatever. [00:50:14] Speaker C: But, you know, all these people are. [00:50:17] Speaker B: More fired up about all this stuff. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Four loco at Talladega. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:22] Speaker A: If I was a four loco guy, I would go to, but I don't. [00:50:26] Speaker D: Even think they'd let me in the gate at Coda. [00:50:28] Speaker C: No. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Not holding a four loco with your haircut, you're screwed. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:50:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:34] Speaker A: We need any kind of fan that we can get in the stands here at Coda, but we're not going to take you. We only have 35 people here and we're looking for 35,000. But you're not one of them. You're not that guy. [00:50:43] Speaker C: And they have been doing this promotional. [00:50:46] Speaker B: Thing for a few years. This isn't, like, just happening this year. This has been going on. They've sponsored that car. It's either the 44, the 43, I don't even remember which one. But they've sponsored that car at Talladega. [00:50:56] Speaker C: Both races for the last couple of years. [00:50:58] Speaker B: And I know that goes along Talladega, rowdy crazy, goes along with four loco's brand of rowdy crazy, all this stuff. But I'm just saying, I could not. [00:51:07] Speaker C: Tell you any sponsor they have, but I know that they have Ford Loco. [00:51:12] Speaker B: There's something, too about having a sponsorship on the hood of a car that is recognizable, and everybody knows and I know the way sponsorships work, you got to get this, this and this and. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Do all this other stuff. But, like, what is on the hood of Austin Dillon's car each week? [00:51:29] Speaker B: He's got a paragraph written on the hood of the car that's in little white letters. I don't know. You couldn't tell me what it says? I couldn't tell you what it says, standing at the car between the louvers. [00:51:40] Speaker A: As you said last. [00:51:44] Speaker B: I just, I know you got to have sponsorship dollars and all this, but it's like, you see sponsoring some of. [00:51:49] Speaker C: These cars, and you're just like, what does that even say? Yeah, not even in the way of. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Like, you see build submarines, and you're like, okay. That piques my interest of like, okay, what is build submarines? [00:51:59] Speaker A: Got us to ask Brandon on the pod. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Exactly. And that's like one that pops into my head. But then you see some of these sponsors and Austin Dillon one rings a bell, and some of these others, and. [00:52:09] Speaker C: You'Re like, I don't even know what that is nor care to know what that know. [00:52:14] Speaker D: Yeah, make it cool, make it fun, make it fast. [00:52:17] Speaker A: Put flames on the side of your. [00:52:19] Speaker D: Goddang race car and go out there. [00:52:22] Speaker A: And finish in first. Like, dude, just be badass. [00:52:26] Speaker C: While we're on the topic for a. [00:52:29] Speaker B: Freaking arcadriver, have you seen all the stuff they are doing with raising canes. [00:52:34] Speaker C: Is doing for the Tony girl? [00:52:36] Speaker D: I have not seen it, dude. [00:52:37] Speaker C: Tony Bredinger, credible, incredible. [00:52:40] Speaker B: You go into a raising canes, cardboard cutouts. She's on the picture of the race car in there. All this stuff, they got hurt. Gas stations, they got hurt. They got hurt. And I know that she is big on social media and all this stuff. [00:52:53] Speaker C: But it just goes, she's an Arca. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Driver and races some truck races and. [00:52:58] Speaker A: Has more brand recognition now than most. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Xfinity drivers, than cup drivers. And cup don't see, I don't see cardboard cutouts of any cup driver. Go to the raising canes in Nashville, and she's plastered all over the raising canes. [00:53:11] Speaker C: Yeah, well, people go in there and like, who's this? [00:53:15] Speaker B: What is this girl? What is this? And to the average Joe, they probably. [00:53:19] Speaker C: Think she's racing on Sundays. [00:53:20] Speaker B: They don't know the difference between what an Arca car looks like and what a Cup series car looks like. [00:53:24] Speaker C: They have no. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Well, I want to get your opinion on something because it's kind of bleeding. [00:53:29] Speaker D: Off of what you're talking about here. [00:53:31] Speaker A: Did you listen to the Dale Jr. Download with Chase Elliott the other day? [00:53:34] Speaker C: I have not, no. [00:53:35] Speaker D: Okay. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Well, in the download, I was listening to it while I was setting up mercy. [00:53:39] Speaker B: You're the second person that's asked me that in the last 12 hours. [00:53:42] Speaker A: I'm sure I am, because this is something I immediately was just like, I wonder what Dawson would have to say about this. [00:53:47] Speaker B: I was going to listen to it this week on the it one specific. [00:53:51] Speaker A: Part of it, Dale Jr. Asked Chase Elliott, hey, I know you. [00:53:54] Speaker D: Weren'T on the Netflix special last year. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Is that something, now that you've seen. [00:53:59] Speaker D: The effect that it's had, something that you would consider doing going forward? [00:54:03] Speaker A: If Netflix was to come up and. [00:54:05] Speaker D: Ask you, would you take part in it? And Chase gave an answer that, while I understand where he's coming from, I. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Think is going to definitely be an unpopular answer. [00:54:15] Speaker D: But he basically said, I haven't watched it. [00:54:18] Speaker A: I have not seen a single episode of it. [00:54:21] Speaker D: I don't know anything about how good it was. [00:54:23] Speaker A: I haven't looked into it whatsoever. [00:54:25] Speaker D: And to be honest, I'm not sure. [00:54:27] Speaker A: That I would say yes unless they were able to tell me how it. [00:54:30] Speaker D: Was going to help me out. Because he says, and like I say. [00:54:35] Speaker A: He'S coming from with stating this, but I know the fans aren't going to. [00:54:37] Speaker D: Want to hear it. [00:54:39] Speaker A: But he basically says if it's not something that's going to help me go faster on Sundays, that I don't think it's really worth my time. And I think they just piss me. [00:54:45] Speaker D: Off being around all the time. And that's one of those great examples. [00:54:50] Speaker A: Of you are as close to what we can call the face of the sport as possible. Ratings dip when you're not in the. [00:54:57] Speaker D: Car, but there's an opportunity right here. [00:55:00] Speaker A: To be more engaged and more in. [00:55:02] Speaker D: Your fans face and more interactive, and people can kind of get to know you a little bit better. [00:55:09] Speaker A: And that's what the fans are itching for and asking for. [00:55:12] Speaker D: And he's basically just saying, if it. [00:55:14] Speaker A: Ain'T going to help me go faster. [00:55:15] Speaker D: On Sundays, I'm not going to do it, I'm not going to sign up for it. [00:55:19] Speaker A: I definitely took that and I was. [00:55:21] Speaker D: Just like, man, as much as I. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Enjoyed the rest of that interview, that definitely put like a black mark on it. And hey, far be it for me to judge the way the man wants. [00:55:28] Speaker D: To live his life, but I think, man, that'd be awesome for a lot. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Of fans because a lot of fair weather fans are going to go for the most popular driver and it lets them get to know this guy a little better. And he's just basically saying, I don't. [00:55:41] Speaker D: Think it's worth my time. [00:55:43] Speaker A: It's just wild how different it's become. You're no longer wanting to be the star. [00:55:48] Speaker D: You just want to go out there. [00:55:49] Speaker A: And race and it's like, that's cool. [00:55:50] Speaker D: But that's not the whole thing. There's another part of this, the fan. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Activation and getting fans into it. You want to grow the sport, you. [00:55:57] Speaker D: Got to go out and grow the sport. [00:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I have not listened to the interview. I've just seen like some dirty mo clips pop up. So I have heard a little bit. [00:56:08] Speaker C: Some pieces of. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Know I don't not Chase Elliott can live his life literally however he wants to do. And if he doesn't want to do. [00:56:19] Speaker C: Any extra stuff, then he doesn't have to. He's also though he's Chase Elliott, so. [00:56:28] Speaker B: It'S like almost probably in his mind he's like, I don't have to do that stuff. I'm going to have a ride. I got my sponsors, whatever. [00:56:35] Speaker C: I feel like that could be his. [00:56:37] Speaker B: Opinion on that, whether it's a guy. [00:56:39] Speaker C: Like, I don't know, someone that wants. [00:56:42] Speaker B: To do all the extra stuff to get their name out there and all this. [00:56:45] Speaker C: But I will say I heard Ryan Blaney, he redeemed himself from last week. [00:56:51] Speaker D: When I kind of dogged on him. [00:56:53] Speaker C: A little bit about the racing, which. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Is just funny that r two drivers were the ones that had something to say about the racing at Bristol. [00:57:02] Speaker C: But Ryan Blaney was talking about how. [00:57:05] Speaker B: He does want to do all this, wasn't in a podcast or anything. [00:57:09] Speaker C: This was like Bob pockers holding a. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Cell phone up to him and asking. [00:57:13] Speaker C: A question is what? [00:57:14] Speaker B: I saw this on, and I don't even know if it was Bob Pockers, but it was like that style of thing. Like after practice he still had his suit on and all this kind of stuff. [00:57:21] Speaker C: And this could have been last week, I can't remember, but his exact words were, and I don't even remember the. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Question, but it had to be something about kind of the same thing. He goes, dude, I want to be. [00:57:31] Speaker C: Jeff Gordon in the to go. [00:57:34] Speaker B: I want to be at front row at basketball games. I want to host Saturday Night Live. I want to be on the front of the. He didn't say Pepsi because he's body armor, but on the Pepsi commercials and. [00:57:44] Speaker C: All this stuff. [00:57:47] Speaker B: That'S what he was alluding to was those things. And I guess you have some guys personality and things that automatically go towards that. [00:57:57] Speaker C: There's some guys, too, that look at. [00:58:01] Speaker B: I heard Jeff Gordon say this in his podcast with Dell Jr. [00:58:04] Speaker C: But he's like, NASCAR gave me so much. [00:58:08] Speaker B: NASCAR made me a millionaire. NASCAR made me a superstar. And obviously, yes, Jeff Gordon has talent, but he's talking about the platform of NASCAR gave me a platform to make. [00:58:19] Speaker C: Me one of the biggest celebrities in. [00:58:22] Speaker B: The United States at the that in that day. And he was like, because of that. [00:58:27] Speaker C: I have to give back to NASCAR. [00:58:29] Speaker B: I have to go on Fox and try to grow the sport. I have to be a part of the team and invest my money to grow the sport. [00:58:36] Speaker C: And I just don't think I know. [00:58:40] Speaker B: For a fact there's not drivers that feel that way that could care less. There's guys like Dell Jr. Also talks about, like, I'm not picking on Ricky Rudd, but a guy like Ricky Rudd. [00:58:50] Speaker C: That retired from NASCAR and gone, doesn't care about, doesn't, nobody hears from him. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Stuff like, there's. And then the other side of that, you have guys like I just said, jeff Gordon, that want to be involved and give back. Denny Hamlin said the word for word, the exact same thing that Jeff Gordon. [00:59:06] Speaker C: Has said about NASCAR made me all. [00:59:10] Speaker B: This money, gave me this great life, all this stuff. So it's my job to invest back in NASCAR, to be a car owner. [00:59:18] Speaker C: To keep, do these ideas and think what can make this sport bigger and all this. [00:59:23] Speaker B: So I guess what it boils down to, to me, when you say that to me about Chase is like, maybe. [00:59:28] Speaker C: Chase doesn't, he just doesn't have that thought. [00:59:32] Speaker B: There's not one right way and one wrong way. It's just some guys want to give back and go into ownership or the broadcast, whatever they think can give back to the sport. [00:59:43] Speaker C: Some guys want to do that and some guys don't. [00:59:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I could totally see what you're saying. And that's the hard part, is like, you got toe the line. Because what I said earlier, you want to see more talent in the cars and not just the people who can sell sponsorship, but really in the ideal world, we go back to the early 2000s where they did both. [01:00:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:00] Speaker D: Where you could go out and win. [01:00:02] Speaker A: Seven championships or win, like Jeff Gordon, win three or four championships, win countless numbers of races, get on the top of the leaderboard, but then also be one of the most recognizable people, not. [01:00:14] Speaker D: Just in the sport, but in was. [01:00:16] Speaker A: It was a rare time where all. [01:00:19] Speaker D: Things kind of came together, where you. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Had drivers that could sell the shit out of some sponsorships but also could just win the hell out of some races. [01:00:27] Speaker C: Totally. [01:00:27] Speaker D: And were super aggressive and fun. It's like, where's the happy medium here? [01:00:32] Speaker A: Where is the in between guys? And right now, you've got some guys. [01:00:35] Speaker D: That are just right there that could do both. [01:00:38] Speaker A: Your Denny Hamlins, your Ross Chastain, your Ryan Blaney's, your guys that are exciting. [01:00:43] Speaker D: But also good and want to be out in the public eye and doing these big things. It's like we just need some opportunity to make that happen. [01:00:53] Speaker A: And NASCAR, I just keep saying it, with this new tv deal that they. [01:00:58] Speaker D: Have and all the money that is coming into the sport right now, where. [01:01:03] Speaker A: Is that money going? If our money goes up by that. [01:01:06] Speaker D: Much, there's so many opportunities for them. [01:01:09] Speaker A: To just finally let it go, let. [01:01:11] Speaker D: It fly, let things happen. [01:01:13] Speaker A: Invest in the teams, invest in the drivers, invest in the brand recognition. Don't just keep doing the same things. [01:01:20] Speaker D: That we were doing on a shoestring budget. [01:01:22] Speaker A: Let's go out here and take advantage. [01:01:25] Speaker D: Of this season that we have started. That has been one of the most banger openings to a season possible, and. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Let'S invest in it, because right now, this is the best opportunity you're ever going to have. [01:01:36] Speaker D: Your viewership's up every single week. You got this new Netflix special. [01:01:40] Speaker A: You got all these things going on. Let's even pay Netflix to get us. [01:01:44] Speaker D: On the damn front page like Formula one had. [01:01:46] Speaker A: They were on the front page for. [01:01:48] Speaker D: Like a month after that series came out. [01:01:50] Speaker A: It just said recently added, and was. [01:01:52] Speaker D: In one of the squares on my end. [01:01:54] Speaker A: Let's put that money somewhere. Let's make people have to look at NASCAR. You can't look away. We are in your face 100% of. [01:02:02] Speaker D: The time because we kind of need to do that right now to keep this hype train going. [01:02:07] Speaker B: I agree. There are so many things, NASCAR drivers. [01:02:10] Speaker C: Specifically, that, like a football player, a. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Football only has to answer to his organization. That's why I feel like a lot of football players have these crazy personalities and whatnot. I have heard guys say, like, I'm not going to go do a podcast because I don't want to get in trouble, get fined by NASCAR, get in trouble. My sponsorships, like, get in trouble in certain ways. [01:02:36] Speaker A: Not that it's made like a big. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Crazy jump, but in the last. [01:02:43] Speaker C: Not. [01:02:43] Speaker B: Even year, like kind of into last year and then more so this year, maybe since the Netflix thing, whatever I have seen and I feel like also in the 20 20, 20 21, 20 22 everybody was walking on eggshells, just not in NASCAR, but everywhere, no matter what you said, was put under a microscope. And you could literally say, I like oranges. And people be like, well, fuck you. [01:03:05] Speaker C: You'Re being mean to people that don't. [01:03:08] Speaker B: Like, know, whatever, just say some crazy stuff. [01:03:11] Speaker C: Like, so, like people kind of just quit showing their personality all on social. [01:03:15] Speaker B: Media in the last little bit. Denny Hamlin, this helps with Denny Hamlin helps out a lot. But in the last little bit, you've seen these guys post even more funny. [01:03:25] Speaker C: Stuff on Twitter and such, whether it. [01:03:29] Speaker B: Be a gif or a statement or a meme or whatever. We're starting out small, but you're seeing a little bit more of that just with posts throughout in the last little bit. [01:03:39] Speaker C: And I think that's only steps in the right direction. [01:03:43] Speaker B: But I agree with you 100% what you just said. Let's kind of just take the reins off and let all these guys personalities show. Let them show it. They all have a personality. The only reason people say they don't. [01:03:54] Speaker C: The reason they don't, quote unquote, is because they can't and they are too. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Scared to get fined or busted for this or say something they shouldn't say. [01:04:02] Speaker A: They're kicked out of the car because of something dumb that gets said somewhere, some one time and gets recorded. [01:04:07] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Granted, obviously there are certain limitations to that. [01:04:11] Speaker B: There are. And I don't mean like, go off the deep end for real. [01:04:15] Speaker A: I just mean, like, I totally get what you're saying. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, let it shine. [01:04:18] Speaker C: Let them. Let their personality shine. Exactly. [01:04:21] Speaker A: And that's kind of part of what I keep saying is, like, the sponsorships, I feel like, have us in a stranglehold. They have all the leverage. [01:04:27] Speaker D: We fund your race. [01:04:29] Speaker A: We fund what you're able to do. So if we back out at the. [01:04:33] Speaker D: Last minute because of something you did, it's your ass on the line that's. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Going to have to pick up the pieces and put it back together when. [01:04:39] Speaker D: All of our money is gone. That's what I'm saying, is we've allowed. [01:04:44] Speaker A: It to get to a certain point where there's not a bunch of people. [01:04:46] Speaker D: Lined up at the door knocking to sponsor these races. We're the ones knocking at doors, so. [01:04:52] Speaker A: We can't afford to put ourselves on. [01:04:53] Speaker D: The back foot because we're going up. [01:04:55] Speaker A: To knock on these other people's door saying, hey, we want you to help. [01:04:58] Speaker D: Sponsor our race team to get us. [01:05:01] Speaker A: To the track on Sunday and we'll. [01:05:02] Speaker D: Do xxx and X. [01:05:04] Speaker A: All they've got to do is have one bad thing against you and they can just shut that door. And what else are you supposed to do? You're stuck now with a car that's underfunded. [01:05:12] Speaker D: And that's just part of the issue. [01:05:16] Speaker A: That we're having right now is you're very right. You have to be so careful about. [01:05:20] Speaker D: What you do and what you say that it's almost a strategy to be boring. [01:05:26] Speaker A: It's better to be boring and have. [01:05:27] Speaker D: A funded race car than to be fun and exciting and having to struggle to pay your bills at your race shop. [01:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that part is what frustrates me. [01:05:37] Speaker D: There's too much money in this sport for us to be this committed to. [01:05:41] Speaker A: Keeping the sponsorship model the way that it is. [01:05:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:05:46] Speaker A: That'S why these NFL players can go out and act like they do and act crazy and insane. Because as soon as one guy gets out of line, says, I'm not sponsoring this guy, there's 15 people lined up. [01:05:55] Speaker D: Ready to put their money behind him anyway. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Just being like, hey, it's more worth it for us to get our brand. [01:06:01] Speaker D: Name out there on this crazy dude. [01:06:04] Speaker A: Than it is to worry about the people that may get pissed off that. [01:06:07] Speaker D: We'Re sponsoring crazy dude. But, yeah, it just doesn't exist the. [01:06:11] Speaker A: Same way in NASCAR. [01:06:12] Speaker D: We have to be so careful and calculated all the time. [01:06:17] Speaker A: I wish we would allow them to. [01:06:19] Speaker D: Go out there and do something crazy. [01:06:21] Speaker C: Yeah, if I had money. [01:06:26] Speaker B: I'd want to have a Tim Richmond kind of like somebody that's just like wild and fun. [01:06:31] Speaker C: And I think, too, that's why people. [01:06:35] Speaker B: Get behind and got behind. Now, granted, he also won like 18 races in like three years in that. [01:06:41] Speaker C: Nine Xfinity car, but why so many people got behind Noah Graxon? [01:06:47] Speaker B: There was hints of that Tim Richmond thing, of, like, when Tim Richmond got wrecked. It's a super viral photo. He gets wrecked, spun down on the inside wall. There's a bunch of fans down there. A fan throws a beer, bush light actually over the fence. He catches it and he sits there and drinks a beer and shoots the shit with the fans while he's on the back stretch. And this is back in the day when I think ambulance was on the front stretch. It was like a big track. So he sits there and drinks a beer. And all this whole time while this ambulance comes around in the record, comes. [01:07:14] Speaker C: To pick him up. [01:07:15] Speaker B: So stuff like that. We've seen Noah Graxon grab a drink from the crowd and stuff like that. [01:07:22] Speaker A: But we're going to kick him out of the sport for liking something on Instagram. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:07:27] Speaker C: That's 100% correct. [01:07:29] Speaker B: That's where it's like, you just chop the balls off of it right there. You can't do anything. [01:07:38] Speaker A: You want to be funny. See how funny you think this is? [01:07:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:42] Speaker B: See how funny it is when you're sitting on your couch with no paycheck coming in? Yeah. [01:07:48] Speaker A: Backwards. [01:07:49] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:07:50] Speaker A: It is what it is. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:51] Speaker C: A lot cooler. [01:07:54] Speaker B: If there was 15. [01:07:57] Speaker C: Denny Hamlins in the sport. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Not just like Denny, but just had that, like, I'm going to say whatever. [01:08:03] Speaker C: I'm going to do whatever and be whatever. [01:08:08] Speaker D: Except a champion. [01:08:09] Speaker C: Except champion. [01:08:12] Speaker B: But the sport would grow. [01:08:14] Speaker A: It would. It would grow. [01:08:15] Speaker D: It genuinely would. [01:08:17] Speaker B: People latch on to those personalities, and like you just said when you had Earnhardt, Tony Stewart, Rusty Wallace, Ricky Rudd, you know, all these guys, but Daryl Walrub, all these guys back in the. [01:08:30] Speaker C: Like, they were personalities. [01:08:33] Speaker A: It was so much fun. [01:08:34] Speaker B: Great race car drivers. All those were the guys that won all the races. All those guys that just said, have championships and whatever. [01:08:40] Speaker C: But it's like if you mix talent with that personality, it's incredible. [01:08:46] Speaker B: And when you get a bunch of personalities rolling around, there's personalities that clash and don't get along. And that's why you had all these crazy, awesome robberies back in the day where. [01:08:55] Speaker A: That's an easy ticket to sell right there. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Easy ticket to sell. Dude, you get auto racing, you get wrestling, you get debate club, you get. [01:09:05] Speaker A: Everything all right there on top of each other. Everything that you could possibly want out. [01:09:09] Speaker D: Of an event, people mouthing off, people punching the crap out of each other, underdog stories. [01:09:14] Speaker A: You'd have it all in NASCAR. [01:09:16] Speaker B: Like Kyle Bush. Kyle Bush was. [01:09:19] Speaker C: It's always been great for, yeah, the. [01:09:22] Speaker B: NASCAR as a sport, whether you like him or not, that's what makes him great. It's so polarizing about these guys. It's like there's no, you either love Denny Hamlin or you hope he wrecks. [01:09:33] Speaker C: First lap every single week. [01:09:36] Speaker A: I want every driver after each race. [01:09:39] Speaker D: To be required to drink one shot. [01:09:41] Speaker A: And one beer before they're allowed to interview. So that way we actually get to see what they really have to say. Yeah, just take one shot and drink one beer before you're allowed to get on the microphone. I just want to see what you actually have to say, not your NASCAR PR. [01:09:54] Speaker D: I'm reading off of the card behind. [01:09:56] Speaker A: The camera, you can't even see. [01:09:57] Speaker D: I want to know what Denny Hamlin really thinks. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Dude, that'd be fun as hell. [01:10:02] Speaker B: Not too long ago, it was after the all star race when Blaney's win. [01:10:07] Speaker C: The net came down. [01:10:08] Speaker B: So whatever year that was, it's been since then. Because they talk about it in this. [01:10:11] Speaker A: That's a couple of years. I don't want to say that was like 21 or 22, I think. [01:10:14] Speaker B: So I have not been able to find the interview, but it's like twelve drivers sitting there and they're drinking beer and they have like, whiskey glasses and they're giving each other shit and they're. [01:10:26] Speaker C: Making fun of Blaney for the wind. [01:10:29] Speaker B: The net coming down and calling him a bullshitter for saying he had it up. [01:10:31] Speaker C: That was just one of the clips. [01:10:33] Speaker A: I saw specifically was about incredible. [01:10:35] Speaker B: And it's like kind of what you're saying. [01:10:37] Speaker C: There just needs to be more shit like that. [01:10:40] Speaker B: And I can't find the interview. I've never been able to just find. [01:10:42] Speaker C: That interview or podcast anywhere. I've just seen clips of it and it's been a long time since I've seen a clip. [01:10:48] Speaker B: But that was like. I just remember in there, it's like Bubba Wallace. I remember Ryan Blaney, Kyle Larson. They're all just sitting there on couches, like, literally drinking a whiskey or a beer, whatever their preference. [01:10:59] Speaker C: Yeah, and they're just shooting the shit. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Literally in a group conversation. [01:11:04] Speaker D: What a good. [01:11:04] Speaker B: That's the most personality I've seen out. [01:11:06] Speaker C: Of all those guys in a long time. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Is that right there? [01:11:09] Speaker A: What a beautiful day. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:11] Speaker A: And now, well, we get cereal box William Byron as the championship favorite. Big Lego for 2024. Hey, man, don't get mad at too. [01:11:19] Speaker D: Much crap for legos, but cereal, I'll let that one slide. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Do we think he's going to make it all the way to the final four again? Because I have a feeling that I. [01:11:29] Speaker D: Just can see it coming. [01:11:31] Speaker A: I mean, it's the third year in a row he's the first repeat winner, which blew my mind, which somehow has the ability to come out here. Him and Rudy Fugal as a combo. [01:11:40] Speaker D: Is one of the rocks greatest decisions. [01:11:43] Speaker A: That anybody in NASCAR has ever done. [01:11:45] Speaker D: I mean, I made the reference to. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Him feeling like a Jimmy Johnson to. [01:11:49] Speaker D: Me a couple episodes ago, and I stand by it. [01:11:52] Speaker A: He's just somebody that doesn't necessarily get me fired up. But that man's going to go out. [01:11:56] Speaker D: There and just dominate a win, and you're just going to have to watch him do nothing. [01:12:02] Speaker A: It just is what it is. He's just good. [01:12:04] Speaker E: I don't. [01:12:05] Speaker D: I don't know where this William Byron came from or how much of it. [01:12:08] Speaker A: Rudy just took everything he already had and just gave him a foundation. [01:12:12] Speaker E: But damn. [01:12:12] Speaker B: I think it's a little mixture of all of that. Just like NASCAR racing, like the car and everything, clicking with William Byron and also bringing the guy he's had the. [01:12:21] Speaker C: Most success with in his career, know. [01:12:24] Speaker B: To be as creature chief. [01:12:25] Speaker C: I think that all that mixed together is the recipe. [01:12:30] Speaker B: I think William Byron is too. He's like. [01:12:38] Speaker C: Who. [01:12:38] Speaker B: Who's a good. Even maybe Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy's a good example of, like, Jimmy didn't race xfinity cars and trucks and all this other stuff. Like Jimmy maybe even like a Kyle bush. He did race all that stuff. But there is a thing of a good or not good, a phenomenal badass NASCAR driver. [01:13:03] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? [01:13:05] Speaker B: You put them in something else and it's not going to work out, and that's totally fine. I'm not hating on what I'm about to say, but he fits the mold, and he's proving it over the last 24 months or so of this two and a half years, whatever. [01:13:23] Speaker C: He is a badass NASCAR stock car driver. [01:13:29] Speaker B: That's what I see when I see William Byron and those guys go on to win a lot of races and a lot of championships, and I. [01:13:36] Speaker D: You can just see it. [01:13:38] Speaker A: It's written on the wall, he's going to win a championship at some point. You just have to have that feeling. There's no way you can look at the last three years of what he's been able to do and how many races he's been able to win. [01:13:48] Speaker D: And even when he's not winning, he's running in the top ten, top five every week. [01:13:52] Speaker B: Another cool stat was blowing. My first driver to win ten races. [01:13:55] Speaker C: In the next gen car. [01:13:57] Speaker E: Damn. [01:13:58] Speaker D: Didn't know that one either. [01:13:59] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:14:00] Speaker B: It also, out of every generation of. [01:14:02] Speaker C: NASCAR car, all one through seven, this. [01:14:05] Speaker B: Took the longest for a driver to win ten races. [01:14:09] Speaker A: I believe that because 78 every week we have a different freaking driver winning. [01:14:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:14] Speaker B: 78 races it took for a driver to win ten. The shortest was Darryl Waltrick. Back in the day. [01:14:19] Speaker C: In 27 races, he won ten. [01:14:22] Speaker B: In, like, the gen something in the. [01:14:25] Speaker C: Or late, late eighty s and early 90s. [01:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:28] Speaker A: It tells you how much this car is clicking with him. One out of every seven races or one out of almost every eight races. He's going to be the guy that wins it. So 16% of the time, pretty much. [01:14:39] Speaker D: He'S going to be the winner. Yeah, that's a pretty solid margin. [01:14:42] Speaker A: When you think that there's 40 guys. [01:14:43] Speaker D: Out there every single week that all have charters. [01:14:48] Speaker B: He's got it figured out, this car specifically. [01:14:51] Speaker A: For sure he does. [01:14:54] Speaker B: That's also a big thing. There's guys all throughout racing that Jimmy Johnson is one that always kept up with the car, always kept up the format, always kept up with the changes. [01:15:05] Speaker C: But there are guys that killed it in one certain car, one type of. [01:15:10] Speaker B: NASCAR, and then they went to another generation and it changed up and it didn't fit their driving style or whatever. Yeah. And there's learning that Denny Hamlin, he wins a lot. So, like, not Denny Hamlin, but guys like the older guys, like Kevin Harvick, even though he won two races two years ago, like Kevin Harvick, Kyle Bush. [01:15:34] Speaker C: Those guys, it's going to take them. [01:15:39] Speaker B: Longer to learn how to drive this car because they drove a certain kind of car for so long. Brad Kaslowski, you know, whatever, those guys. [01:15:46] Speaker A: And they're up against a really young group of drivers that all pretty much only had this car to see. [01:15:52] Speaker B: Exactly. So I was about to say, in a situation like this, it almost works. [01:15:58] Speaker C: Out for a guy with no experience. [01:16:01] Speaker B: Coming into this car than a guy with all kinds of experience in other car. Because other guys having to relearn everything. [01:16:07] Speaker C: And this person just learning everything. [01:16:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:10] Speaker D: They don't have any of those habits built up. [01:16:13] Speaker B: Exactly. It kind of clicked with me in one of the interviews I've listened to with Carson, host of art, talking about how he runs so well in this car. He was like, said something about, like, I didn't know how the other car raced. And he was like, this fits into. [01:16:26] Speaker C: My driving style of. [01:16:29] Speaker B: And this sucks because it goes back. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Into tires being hard as a rock and having great brakes. [01:16:34] Speaker B: But he was like, you can drive every single lap as deep into the corner and as hard as you want in this next gen car. [01:16:40] Speaker C: And he was like, that fits my driving style. [01:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just built too good. [01:16:44] Speaker C: And so I don't really know where. [01:16:47] Speaker B: I was going with that, but it's just crazy to see coming in and. [01:16:52] Speaker C: Boom, just kicking ass right off the rip. Yes. [01:16:55] Speaker A: And it's just a matter of time before you start seeing either these guys figure it out or these young guys are going to start winning championships. [01:17:02] Speaker C: Yeah, literally, like, just taking over. [01:17:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Like looking at Ty Gibbs right now, just in terms of the regular season championship. [01:17:10] Speaker D: Ty Gibbs is in second, doesn't he? That's mind blowing to me. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Well, I don't know after this week. I know we talked about it last week, but he has the best average. [01:17:20] Speaker C: Finish of anyone in the cup series this year. [01:17:23] Speaker D: Last week. [01:17:24] Speaker A: Got to still be standing because he finished in something super high this week. [01:17:28] Speaker B: Again, if he finished better than 8th, it's still there. [01:17:30] Speaker E: Third. [01:17:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he was finished in third, Ty. [01:17:33] Speaker C: Then Ty Gibbs stayed on that track. [01:17:37] Speaker B: He has the best average finish of anyone. And it's because. The only reason is why is because. [01:17:44] Speaker C: He'S ran pretty much top ten basically every single week. [01:17:48] Speaker B: And you have a guy like William Byron who, yes, has two wins, but. [01:17:51] Speaker C: He also had a finish of like. [01:17:53] Speaker B: 30Th or this one weekend or whatever. And it's like, I guess Taj has. [01:17:58] Speaker C: Been the most consistent. [01:17:59] Speaker B: I wanted to throw this in here. [01:18:00] Speaker C: Too, and I know we're getting long. I apologize. [01:18:03] Speaker B: But like I told Caleb, I had a lot to say today. [01:18:09] Speaker C: Bowman, three top fives in a row. [01:18:12] Speaker B: He's kind of maybe getting it figured back out. Maybe the back maybe a little better. [01:18:18] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:18:22] Speaker B: We harped on last year. You're talking about the points leader last. [01:18:25] Speaker C: Year when he got his back broken. [01:18:28] Speaker D: And then it all just went away. [01:18:30] Speaker B: It was like the rug got jerked out from under him. [01:18:32] Speaker C: Like it was just gone after that. [01:18:34] Speaker B: And it's taken a minute to figure it all out again. Maybe even get 100%. Whatever. [01:18:39] Speaker C: But it's nice to see Bowman running good again. [01:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah, he needed to. [01:18:45] Speaker B: He needed to. And getting three top fives in a row, you don't get three top fives. [01:18:48] Speaker C: In a row on, so not at. [01:18:51] Speaker D: All good for him. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Coming up to a race where he's won before, he has won at Richmond in his life and has a great average finish at Richmond. So betting wise, he might be someone to look at for a top five. [01:19:01] Speaker C: Yeah, possibly win, but a top five for sure. [01:19:04] Speaker A: And of course, don't listen to what we have to say because I lost. [01:19:07] Speaker D: Every single bet I made at Coda, period. [01:19:11] Speaker A: And it pissed me off as well. [01:19:12] Speaker C: I didn't even look, actually. But I think I did as well, which doesn't surprise me that I did that, honestly. [01:19:23] Speaker A: I just think if you're a betting man, bet on the Toyotas. Joe Gibbs probably going to find a way to win this one. [01:19:29] Speaker B: Didn't win one single bet. [01:19:30] Speaker A: I could totally see this being Ty. [01:19:32] Speaker D: Gibbs first win, but keep an eye. [01:19:35] Speaker A: Out for Truex and Hamwin. As to I'm never going to advocate for Christopher Bell. Sorry about your bad luck. [01:19:40] Speaker D: If you hate me, I don't know, tell me about it on Twitter. I'll call you a clown. [01:19:45] Speaker B: No, I agree with you. [01:19:46] Speaker C: I think this is a Toyota's. I don't care what Denny Hamlin says. [01:19:51] Speaker B: He's just trying to be a little modest right now. But Toyotas are going to kill short. [01:19:54] Speaker C: Tracks every single race this year, I think. [01:19:56] Speaker A: And I mean, they've been killing it at short tracks and road courses. The Toyotas have been the one you got to watch out for. [01:20:02] Speaker C: Too much boring tracks on the schedule. [01:20:04] Speaker E: Yep. [01:20:05] Speaker A: Hey, be good at what's boring and it'll probably get you to the. [01:20:13] Speaker C: I definitely, I definitely see the Toyotas kicking some ass. [01:20:17] Speaker B: This know you got, you're going to have your normal, like, you can't count out, well, he's a Toyota, but you can't count out Denny Hamlin at Richmond. You can't count out Larson at Richmond. He's had multiple wins. [01:20:32] Speaker C: I they're bringing the same tire they had at know. I don't really know what to think about be. [01:20:42] Speaker B: It's going to be cooler because it's night race. I don't know. I don't know what to expect. We dogged on Bristol and Bristol came out awesome. I wish they were bringing that same tire, honestly. [01:20:52] Speaker A: Oh, man. [01:20:53] Speaker B: Me and you, it would make it a lot. Just. [01:20:58] Speaker E: You know. [01:20:58] Speaker C: I don't know. It's like the, you know, it had. [01:21:02] Speaker B: More rubber on it and this, so it might wear out a little more. [01:21:05] Speaker C: I don't know. Denny says Richmond is still like Phoenix. [01:21:12] Speaker B: Where it's still too fast of a short track. Like, it's so fast, the arrow still matters. So you're still going to run into. [01:21:19] Speaker C: Those hard to pass. [01:21:21] Speaker B: It's not like arrow tight. Yeah, you're going to run into all that. [01:21:24] Speaker C: So it just is what it is. [01:21:27] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:21:28] Speaker A: Well, here's hoping we can get a good race out of it regardless. Did you have a hack of the week picked out for us? [01:21:33] Speaker C: I did. [01:21:35] Speaker A: All righty, let's go. Hack of the week. [01:21:38] Speaker B: Hack of the week. [01:21:38] Speaker C: First time ever myself go, damn. For watching the race. [01:21:51] Speaker A: I didn't see that one coming at all, man. [01:21:55] Speaker C: Randy Adams texted me and goes like. [01:22:00] Speaker B: Something about basically like, screw this race. The hack of the week is us NASCAR fans who were dumb enough to sit down and watch. [01:22:07] Speaker A: That's incredible. [01:22:08] Speaker C: I was like, holy shit, dude. [01:22:12] Speaker B: To. [01:22:13] Speaker C: Follow Coda with Richmond, like, you got. [01:22:16] Speaker B: To be a true fan to watch Coda and Richmond back to back, which we all will. [01:22:20] Speaker A: Back of the week, whoever put together the schedule. [01:22:22] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:22:23] Speaker C: Dude, there was a tweet back when. [01:22:30] Speaker B: Everybody'S talking about all these new fans. [01:22:33] Speaker C: And all this stuff, whatever. And someone was like, we'll find out. [01:22:39] Speaker B: Who the true fans are. And it was actually started with Dakota. It was like Richmond, Watkins, Martinsville, Martinsville. There's like six to eight races that are all coming up that are just. [01:22:49] Speaker A: Like Richmond, Martinsville, Texas. And finally we get some reprieve at Talladega. [01:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, if you can make. [01:22:56] Speaker C: It through this, then. Then you might be a fan. [01:23:00] Speaker B: If you can make it through this, you're a fan. [01:23:03] Speaker A: Then we're on to some good ones for a minute until we have to. [01:23:05] Speaker D: Go to Portland because we love stupid. [01:23:09] Speaker A: Road course racing in the middle of nowhere. Oh, I'm on the xfinity. [01:23:12] Speaker B: I was about to say cup series. [01:23:13] Speaker C: Doesn'T race in Portland. [01:23:14] Speaker A: I don't know what I'm talking about. [01:23:16] Speaker D: I just make this shit up on the fly. Kansas. [01:23:20] Speaker A: That'll be a good one. [01:23:21] Speaker B: That'll do me. [01:23:22] Speaker D: Tallah, Dover, Kansas, Darlington, North Wilkesboro, Charlotte, Gateway, and then finally to Sonoma. [01:23:30] Speaker A: So at least you get like a great series of races after this slog. [01:23:34] Speaker B: I want to talk about. [01:23:35] Speaker A: At least Bristol wasn't the slog we thought it was going to. [01:23:40] Speaker B: Go. You got to take and you give like you got a section here that's going to be bad for the next. [01:23:44] Speaker C: Couple of weeks, probably. [01:23:45] Speaker B: Now, granted, I hope Richmond's a banger, and I hope these tracks come out and are bangers, but we're just going off previous the last two, three years. You go through this where it's like. [01:23:55] Speaker C: A few dull races, and then you. [01:23:57] Speaker B: Come out with freaking Kansas and Darlington. It's like, fire me up, dude. [01:24:01] Speaker C: Those races have been bangers in this car. [01:24:04] Speaker B: I wanted to talk about North Wilkesboro for 1 second. [01:24:08] Speaker C: That something that fired me up. I told you when I saw those. [01:24:11] Speaker B: Testing things about how the cars were. [01:24:13] Speaker C: Literally like, the gears were like they. [01:24:15] Speaker B: Were chipping out, they had more gear. [01:24:17] Speaker C: And could go faster into the corners at North Wilkesboro fired me up because. [01:24:24] Speaker B: They are running over 2 seconds faster. [01:24:26] Speaker D: A lap at a tiny racetrack, that. [01:24:30] Speaker B: Is an insane amount in such a small place. I mean, 2 seconds there, I mean. [01:24:34] Speaker C: You got to feel like you're on a rocket ship. So I was concerned because with North. [01:24:42] Speaker B: Wilkesboro, the tires wearing out, whatever, the tires still ended up didn't wearing out. [01:24:45] Speaker C: Like everybody thought they were going to. [01:24:47] Speaker B: But with the old surface. But I want to say I'm excited about North Wilkesboro after hearing like Dell Jr. And some of these guys that. [01:24:54] Speaker C: Really know what they're talking about with. [01:24:57] Speaker B: The car and the new asphalt. They are going so fast downhill into turn one with the way the straightaway is into turn one that the cars are literally going too fast. [01:25:06] Speaker C: The groove. [01:25:07] Speaker B: He showed a video where he was like riding around in the car, like looking at the groove. [01:25:11] Speaker C: They can't keep the cars on the bottom. They're going so fast. [01:25:14] Speaker B: The cars are like scooting out and you can see the rubber in the line to where they're not running, where. [01:25:19] Speaker C: They want to run. [01:25:21] Speaker D: That's incredible. [01:25:27] Speaker B: That's kind of that thing that I talked about earlier. You just need something to latch onto that can make you excited. Like where that little change or whatever. [01:25:36] Speaker C: It may be to where you're like. [01:25:39] Speaker B: Okay, well, this has usually been a. [01:25:41] Speaker C: Dud, but we're going to doing a little something different to see what happens. That to me is what this. That's what that's going to be to me. [01:25:52] Speaker B: Like with North Wilkesboro, they're going to. [01:25:56] Speaker C: Be like their own rocket ships going around there. They're going so fast. [01:25:59] Speaker B: And if you get to going that fast, maybe that's what does wear the tire out. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know how that's all going to pan out. But I am excited as hell to. [01:26:09] Speaker C: See them go that fast there and see what happens. [01:26:13] Speaker D: Yeah, no doubt. [01:26:14] Speaker A: It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. [01:26:17] Speaker D: All the way around. [01:26:18] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:26:19] Speaker D: So here we freaking go. [01:26:22] Speaker A: Let's just get through this slog and. [01:26:23] Speaker D: Then make it around to the coolest. [01:26:25] Speaker A: Damn races you'll ever see in your entire life. [01:26:27] Speaker D: We'll get all that 10% up back. [01:26:29] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:26:29] Speaker A: Also 6% up. [01:26:31] Speaker B: One more thing. Next Monday and next week we start rehearsals and such. So me and Caleb are going to have to figure out when and where and what time and how we do. [01:26:40] Speaker C: A podcast next week. [01:26:42] Speaker A: We're going to be having a lot of fun trying to figure that out. Maybe we had to do it Sunday night. Who knows? [01:26:46] Speaker B: Could be. I don't know. We'll figure it out, though. Sunday night is going to be late as hell, though, because the race is. [01:26:52] Speaker D: A night race, hell fire. [01:26:54] Speaker C: But we'll figure it out. [01:26:56] Speaker B: It's possible. There's not one next week, unfortunately, just because we have rehearsals every single day. [01:27:02] Speaker C: And then leave to go to Louisiana. [01:27:05] Speaker B: And Texas, I feel like we'll have. [01:27:08] Speaker D: Something figured out by then. [01:27:09] Speaker B: We'll figure something out. [01:27:10] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:27:10] Speaker A: But either way, we're going to have a good time with it. We're going to watch a hell of a Richmond race and hopefully it's a lot better than what we were anticipating. [01:27:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I hope so. [01:27:17] Speaker D: But I do have to get rolling, talk to people, and go do things. [01:27:22] Speaker E: Totally. [01:27:24] Speaker D: Shit, yeah. [01:27:25] Speaker A: I think this is a damn good podcast. I think we had a lot of. [01:27:27] Speaker D: Good things to say about. [01:27:28] Speaker B: So do I. [01:27:29] Speaker A: The old coder race. I can't wait to come back here next year. [01:27:31] Speaker D: I'm really looking forward to it. [01:27:33] Speaker A: It's going to be my most exciting time of my life. [01:27:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm pumped. [01:27:36] Speaker A: Hell yeah. But anyway, my name is Caleb Conrady. You can find me at Caleb Conroddy. Everywhere you find your lovely podcast and dumb NASCAR related content. [01:27:47] Speaker B: I am Dawson Edwards. Music across the board. You can hear Ramsey jewel hollering at. [01:27:51] Speaker C: The mailman right now. [01:27:53] Speaker A: Instagram soon to be set up for Ramsey. [01:27:55] Speaker D: Yep, we got raised rowdy. [01:27:57] Speaker A: Raised rowdy racing across the board. [01:27:59] Speaker D: Except for on Twitter where we're rzd rowdy racing. Go follow raised rowdy, Nicky T and Matt Burrell. Everywhere you can find your dumb NASCAR related content. [01:28:09] Speaker A: Can't wait to talk to y'all again next week. We will let you know when we're actually going to finally be able to record this damn deuces. [01:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah, have a good one. [01:28:24] Speaker E: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black it ain't got a big white number three turning left around a track but you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away these good years can't handle dirt don't need no curves with banks what I like in horses I make up with four by four I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door checkers record my rap was hammered on the gas I'm making my way you girl earn heart bad.