S2 Episode 22: WE'RE BACK BABY!

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is Ray's rowdy racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards. [00:00:13] Speaker B: You're back, baby. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Back and better than ever. Let's freaking go. [00:00:19] Speaker B: We're here. [00:00:20] Speaker A: I'm so excited. I was just telling Dawson how excited I am to finally be doing this again. After like five weeks. [00:00:27] Speaker B: We figured out weeks off. I think we talked about it. We talked about it leading up to this. Not that we plan to take have a five weeks break of this, but we have. And we're coming up on the last week. So this is week six right here. In six weeks, we had 17 shows and twelve of those days and one of those runs, we were completely on the other side of the country. So it's just been nonstop. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:56] Speaker B: And we kind of, since the last. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Podcast, we've been all the way up as far as North Dakota and Minnesota and Ohio. And now we've gone to New York and we're about to head to Pennsylvania. Like, we've just been everywhere, man. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So we knew this was, we knew it was coming for just not even just with the podcast, but just with our lives of like, we talked about like Maxwell's, you know, bachelor party. And I was soon as we hit. [00:01:23] Speaker A: Done recording on this, I'm literally grabbing my book bag and dipping out. I'm straight to Maxwell's party. Yeah, this is done. [00:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Funny. We've tried to record, what, like three times already? Yeah, like three different weeks we have tried to record and our schedules never lined up. And it's not that this week's any better. We just got lucky that we both had a blast. Day late. Yeah, well, a day late. [00:01:47] Speaker B: Actually, you can't say it's a day late. NASCAR is a day late. So technically, this is the day after the race. Yeah, never mind. Barely on time. Never mind. Nevermind. We're not going to even say we're not a day late. We're right on it for this week. [00:01:59] Speaker A: We're just a dollar short. We're. We're right on time. Yeah, just that dollar short. [00:02:03] Speaker B: We stay a dollar short. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Damn straight. [00:02:06] Speaker B: But yeah, just August. I mean, like, we had already. So, like, throughout the year we have a, so we have a, like a old fashioned calendar. We also have the one on the phone, but like the old fashioned calendar and just like put in where I'm going to be. And then Lindsey has like these. She works like it's, she's off every other Friday. The way her, she gets like, it's like, I think, like 44 hours one week, 36 the next. So it like equals 40 every week, you know, so she's off every Friday and she puts in like her off days when she has appointments and this and then we put in where I'm going to be and then some of the routes or whatever. And we've known for like, since, I mean, months ago that I was only going to be home for like nine days in August. Total. Nine days total. It doesn't count the last two weeks of July. So like nine days total. So I'm having to miss Maxwell's bachelor party because I have a week. I have rights all this week and then we leave again and then I have rights all next week. So it's just, it's just been. It's been nuts. [00:03:12] Speaker A: It just, it's absolutely been nuts. And in the meantime, I'm planning on. I'm planning a wedding that we're literally going to have in two and a half weeks. [00:03:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:21] Speaker A: So we're in the crutch time for our wedding. I've also got to do a bunch of stuff when we get off the road to go do merch. And every time I do that, so it's like every single time we're home, we get Sunday to relax and watch the race. And Monday I'm running around doing all sorts of stuff except for the wedding. Dawson's doing all sorts of stuff for the house. Then the next day comes and I'm doing all sorts of running around for merch. Dawson's doing a bunch of stuff for his stuff too and just trying to find the time to fit in. I know it only takes an hour to talk, but it's an hour. You can't get anything else accomplished and it's just hard to find time to do that. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:56] Speaker A: This month in particular, we talked. [00:03:58] Speaker B: It was last week. One of these weeks this has all happened. I think it was after the two week run, but like, when you're not home for two weeks and then you leave again, literally on, you get back on Sunday and you leave on Wednesday for bus call. You have to fit two weeks of the stuff you missed out on and didn't get done. All this at the house and just your life in general. Not just at your house, just in general. In life you have to fit two weeks worth of stuff in three days. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Absolutely. So it's not even funnier. On top of that, like, real life stuff just happens in the background. Like I. In the process of, between our recordings, I've had my steering rack on my mower go out that I had to completely gut and replace. And then we had a sidewall blow on one of our truck tires. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:43] Speaker A: So I had to find a time to get the truck over to the shop to get new tires put on it. It's just like, whether you were here to live it or not. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah. My truck just never ran at all. So my trucks. My truck's just been in the shop for. Dude, my truck was in the shop. For how long? Cause I was gone so much, and then I'm having to go back and forth. My truck was in the shop for, like. Yeah, it felt like a month. No joke. Yeah, literally, like, sat over there for, like, a month because I could not go get it. [00:05:13] Speaker A: That's the exact same thing with that steering on that mower. It really. I could have gotten it done in a day, but it took me about three weeks because I got to work on the first half of the day, one day, and then it took me two and a half weeks to finally find time to come back and finish the mower. Yeah, it was unbelievable. [00:05:30] Speaker B: It makes me laugh, obviously, you know, because of work, I'm a list guy. Like, I like to just have my list of, like, everything that I. That I need to get done, because if not, like, something will slip out of my. If it's not all, like, written down out, you know, I'm gonna forget one of the things. And then anytime I go to the grocery store, anytime I'm home, like, whatever, I just have a list of, like, all the stuff I need to get done every Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday that we've gotten, like, after that week. And then, like, this week, my list all have, like, twelve to 14 things on them that are all just have to get done. And it's just like, holy cow. It's just. It's really insane, honestly. But after. After next week, our lives go back to normal relatively. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Well, mine will go back to normal on September 8. [00:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Your wedding is. Yeah. So, yeah, see, I was. You're not as stressed out as me. I don't think so. You come. You're coming across as not as stressed about all that as I was. [00:06:30] Speaker A: It's hard to. It's hard to really be stressed about it. I've got enough stress on the road that, honestly, I get all my cortisone out of the way. And Thursday, Friday and Saturday, I don't have any leftover to bring home. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, art, that was. That was something. You know, I've kind of, you know, I talk you. You know. You were buying your house on the road. I bought my house on the road. And then bud, last week, bud, our guitar tech, he's. He bought a house on literally on the road last week. [00:06:58] Speaker A: He used his sister note that his contract was going through to go check. [00:07:02] Speaker B: It out and everything. He trusts the sisters like we have to do, you know? I don't know. You got to buy a house on the road. You got to plan a wedding on the road. You got to just do things when remotely and on. On, you know, on the computer or whatever. I don't know. It's just interesting stuff. You just got to get used to when you're gone a lot. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Oh, without a doubt. And it's not like your job slows down to allow you that. Like, guys help each other out if you need it, but still, everybody's got their job to do, and so you're having to do all your normal job on top of doing all that stuff. I remember sitting on the phone for 2 hours when I was supposed to be setting up perch, putting our contract on our house. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Yep. [00:07:40] Speaker A: And then having group phone calls with wedding vendors and all sorts of stuff while we're out there and getting text messages constantly with pictures. What do you think of this? What do you think of this? And it's like, dang, I'm working on a 14 hours day, but every minute that you thought you might have a break, you have to answer some sort of question for somebody. Yeah, it's like, it's just exhausting. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Like, everybody, everybody knew, you know, like, you. You were talking about kind of like, picking up slack. Not that anybody was, like, picking up slack this past week, but, like, we're getting ready to do sound check and stuff like that. And Bud's like, I got to take this call. Like, I got to go right now. And so everybody gets that because not just us. All these guys that have been on the road, if you work on the road in general, you have probably bought a house or plan something major in your life while you were on. Everybody's done it. And so it's like, yeah, bud, go take the phone call. You know, you gotta, you know, don't be gone all day, but, like, go grab the phone. [00:08:34] Speaker A: It's what you gotta do with the. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Realtor, make sure your money goes through and all, you know, all that stuff, it's just been. I don't know. It's just been crazy. But I've said it to you. I know. And I've talked to Lynn. It's like, we knew this, this six week span was just gonna be crazy. We just knew that all year, pretty much all year. It was just gonna be nuts. And then, yeah, it slows down a little bit. You get married. Good thing you're getting married after this. Yeah. Cause, like, you get married after this crazy run, and then it's like, we're pretty, uh, kind of stretched out, I would say, for the next couple months. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Yeah, there's only five shows in September. [00:09:12] Speaker B: So one got canceled. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Yeah. One, four. So, yeah, we. We get married, then we have two shows on, and then we have, like, another week off, and then we have two shows on or something weird like that. [00:09:23] Speaker B: I think it's, y'all get married two shows, then two shows in the last week of September is off. [00:09:29] Speaker A: I believe that's why I keep telling everybody September 8 is when my stress level will go from, like, at the tip top of the ball point, on the top of my hat to down to my damn toes. I'd be like, nothing's to the matter anymore. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:40] Speaker A: So it's just. It's been wild. It's been crazy. But I'm really excited to get back to doing this. It's been a long time since we did it, and I've just been missing it, just getting able to talk about it. I felt a little out of the loop. I haven't been able to pay attention to NASCAR as much, mostly because there was a two week break, but also just in general with everything we just talked about. So, yeah, like, do this again. [00:10:01] Speaker B: There's a. There's. I'm right there with you, and there's a lot to. There's a lot that I want to talk about that even. Yeah, we're going to talk about Michigan in this week, but there's a lot that I want to talk about over the last few weeks that I really want to dive into. [00:10:16] Speaker A: I mean, how much everything has just been racked up and changed around and silly season stuff this and both of our drivers getting a win since we the last done the podcast. Yeah, a lot's gone down. [00:10:28] Speaker B: It has. So where do you want to kick it off at Michigan? Start with this? [00:10:33] Speaker A: Might as well. Let's just get in the groove of it and start off in Michigan, see where we end up with old Tyler Reddick getting his second one of the year after three runner up finishes and a third place finish at Richmond the week before. Man, I mean, dude, 20 311 at Michigan's a dangerous team since I think. [00:10:55] Speaker B: It'S Darlington at when him and when. Reddick, darling, we're talking about a long time ago Darlington in the spring. It's like a span of like eleven races, Tyler Reddick has only finished out lower than eight one time. And it was Iowa. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Damn, what a stat. [00:11:14] Speaker B: He has like a finish of like 3.6. [00:11:19] Speaker A: He's like what William Byron is at the beginning of the year. It's Tyler Reddick in the middle of the year. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Something else that I wanted to bring up was William Byron. And we've talked about it on here a million times. He, he is not a summertime guy. [00:11:31] Speaker A: No, he's not. And it's hilarious. I predictable. It is. He disappears so wild. He almost out very managed to break that streak right here, but missed it by one spot. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah, he, he comes out and just lots it up. Man. To start out these seasons especially, it's happened like three years in a row. He lots it up. He wins freaking three to five races right off the rip, and then disappears for the summertime. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know what it is about him that does that. [00:12:02] Speaker B: Maybe neither. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he was probably irration in his off time. Like maybe he stays on. I don't know how much that translates. I've never iraced before. I've never raced your real race car before. [00:12:16] Speaker B: What he's doing, God dang. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Maybe he gets his mind off of it, but it's weird. It's almost like when they get back in the car, when everybody else is knocking some rust off, he just doesn't have any. And then once it gets settled into the regular season, everybody else is back on top. William's youth kind of comes out and all the older heads are starting to beat him and do some different things that he's not able to keep up with or something. I don't know. Maybe he just prefers having colder racetracks. Maybe he just drives better on them. [00:12:43] Speaker B: Maybe so. But there's something about it. It's something. It happens too often for it to not be a thing. So it just is what it is. They, I've seen, they did. I saw a graph of like his years every year. And it is so funny. He starts out with all the, his finishes. You can't see my hand. His finishes are all up here. And then summertime hits and then it kind of, it comes back up, but not as high as it was up at the start of the year. In the graph. You can almost lay them on top of each other for the past three seasons. And they're almost identical. [00:13:17] Speaker A: That's so funny. [00:13:18] Speaker B: In the summer stretch, those aren't William Byron's tracks. Like, just in general, like the tracks he races well at are the ones that start the season out. Yeah. Like Christopher Bell and Ryan Blaney race better at the end of the year because those are like, their tracks. I don't know, but. [00:13:35] Speaker A: So that's a good point. [00:13:36] Speaker B: Something's up with it in general, but yes. Will he be. He got second. Did he finish second yesterday? [00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah, almost got it on that first restart. If Chastain hadn't tank slapped it all the way from here to Alabama, he would have had it. [00:13:50] Speaker B: He never let off the gas. I listened to the in car audio. He never let off the gas. Just trying to keep that car from not getting stuck in that wet grass down there. He just stayed in the gas. [00:14:00] Speaker A: I hated it for him. And it was. It was a really wild, like those last. Those two overtime restarts did a lot for a bunch of different guys, one of them being bubba Wallace and Chastain. With Chastain wrecking, it took like a 20 something, like a 20 something point buffer and dropped him all the way down. Yeah, something's wrong with Dawson's thing real quick. So we're just going to kind of. We're just going to continue on here for a little bit. We're going to try to get Dawson rejoined in to the. To the pod. Dawson just dropped out, but let's see. That was strange. Yeah, let me. I think we are. Let's see. Sorry for the technical difficulties, folks. Technology is great till it isn't. Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? [00:15:15] Speaker B: Weird. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Maybe try refreshing your page and just coming out and coming back in. Well, anyways, while Dawson figures his life out, we're just going to sit here and look at what did happen with Ross Chastain and Bubba Wallace ended up. Looks like they were right on the cut line. So it is crazy to see how much things changed when you talked about going from Ross Chastain from finishing to not finishing the way he did. Okay, let's see what happens here. Are you getting recorded now or what? [00:15:57] Speaker B: I am. There's nothing on here that says, like, update or anything like normal, so I'm not sure. It always tells me if there's an update. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Well, it says you're recording now, so. [00:16:08] Speaker B: What happened to the first ten minutes of this? Did it just go away? [00:16:11] Speaker A: Oh, it's fine. I think you just. You stopped recording right for a second there, and we're gonna sound really awkward and funny on the. On the broadcast podcast thing, but it's fine. [00:16:20] Speaker B: I think I'm back just a couple. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Dipshits out here trying to run the Internet when we were good at mechanic. [00:16:27] Speaker B: Yeah, there was a lot of. Mainly when Larson wrecked. That was a wreck that involved a lot of big names and a lot of guys with playoffs going on. But then as the race went on, there was just a lot of big names and guys at the playoff bubble. Those were kind of the guys that had problems like Denny wrecked. [00:16:49] Speaker A: It's hilarious how that always happened. [00:16:51] Speaker B: It seems like that always. It gets, you know, worse at the end of the year, I guess, like maybe because there's more eyeballs on it. I don't know if you just notice it more, but, uh, even like with Denny, even though he did rally back, I think, and finish 9th or something like that, Denny's car was never the same after he went plowing through the grass and he. Yeah, I think he had race winning speed on Sunday, but then once the car, they, you know, it damaged the underbody and all that. Like, he just kind of. Yeah, he didn't have the speed and not this way better than I thought he was going to finish. And 6th is way better than he was after that wreck. I mean, his nose was all pushed in and stuff, so I really thought he was done. And then he came back to a six, which was very surprising. [00:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a couple of great comeback stories, and you're damn right. Whenever that Denny Hamlin incident happened, I was shocked. But that set the stage for how the rest of the race was going to go because you had multiple guys wrecking just like that. You had Martin Truex, someone with just as much experience, Rex out from a really good spot, just kind of on his own in a way. And I still couldn't tell if a tire went down there or what happened. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Is that the one at the very end? [00:18:05] Speaker A: Then you had the three. Yeah, then you had the three guys all blowing tires at the exact same time after their green flag stops. That was wild, unrelated but still wild issue. You had all those other guys. Corey Lajoy's doesn't really count in this because that was kind of just an idiot move all the way around. And I think we'll get to that in a little bit more detail. [00:18:26] Speaker B: I have a lot the number, Corey Lajoy and me. And you've had some great Corey La Joy conversations over the past few weeks. I want to, like, bring those conversations that we've had, like, in the truck to here. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. But that just, that whole Larson thing just set the Denny thing, set the tone for how the rest of that race was going to go. Larson spins out the same way and involves a lot of guys. It was just crazy how you take these cars and you put them on a track that is that fast. It both points out how good these cars are at driving on those high speeds because their aerodynamics are so good as individuals, and as soon as you put them around a bunch of other cars now, it's the dynamics of how the dirty air and the clean air work together on your car. How when you start getting a little bit sideways, there's no side force at all pushing you back in and not enough grip from the tires to catch the car. It just shows how difficult it is right now, but also kind of how silly it is that these cars are the way that they are, because you got guys with the most experience, and the best race car drivers on the circuit are the ones that are wrecking out. And I think it's because they're the ones that are the most fearless to put the car in an uncomfortable position, and there's just no ability to read what's going to happen and nothing you can do about it. So it's almost just like you're playing chicken with the edge. When it used to be, you were playing with the edge itself, and you could kind of overstep it and still correct it, and you just can't do it. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Yeah, you nailed it there. Those are the guys. There's no reward for being aggressive like that anymore. It doesn't seem. And we've known since this first race at California a few years ago, there was. There's no. There's no, like, living kind of right there and letting the car hang out. It's either you have gripdeen or you don't have grip. And when you don't have grip, you're gonna wreck. And it's just either all the grip in the world or no grip at all. And I think that has a lot to do with the tires and these cars. Like, with the sidewall, there's no. You don't have as much sidewall to give off of. So it's just. I don't know if it's good or bad. I don't have. I don't know, but it is. There's no, like, saving a car anymore or, like, yeah, getting a little loose and grabbing it. You know what I mean? Like, you're just gonna spin. There really isn't. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Especially when you're going 200 miles an hour with a 20 miles an hour wind. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Telling you, I did enjoy seeing the speeds this weekend. It's been a long time since I've seen cup cars going, there was at one point, Chase Elliott got clocked 209 and turned one. I was like, I feel that. That felt good. I feel like I don't even. I feel like to me, like, even at Michigan and these bigger tracks, you know, even in years past with this car, it hasn't been like that, you know, that fast. And, I don't know, it just was cool to see a cup car at 209 miles an hour again. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Oh, it's awesome. And, you know, the wildest part about it is they were just racing each other's doors off. I mean, just chopping each other, coming out of the corners and doing little swoop doo motions coming out. I'm. The craziness with which they race. You would have thought they were going 190 or lower because they had way more confidence than I would have assumed that some of them would have at 205 to 209 miles an hour. Like, my God, some of those moves they were making were just so scary. And then they just make them work and somebody has to cut somebody else slack. [00:21:57] Speaker B: It was also mind blowing to me to see how slow two cars were side by side compared to a car that was by itself. [00:22:04] Speaker A: Holy crap. [00:22:05] Speaker B: They had them. They look like it was crazy park. It was the, it was that drastic. You saw it with the Bubba Wallace pass. You saw it with the Kyle Larson pass. Even before Bubba did it, it was. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Just like Chastain shoot in the middle and one, two. That one time later on race wild. [00:22:22] Speaker B: How slow? Like, Bubba even said he looked up cause he thought, like, the caution came out. They were going so slow. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Yeah, he was like, what the. Why? Why am I going so much faster than these guys? God dang. Yeah, that was, that was crazy. And it was just kind of funny. I, we even got a text from Steven. He's like, I love all these drafting passes because it's like, crazy what they're able to do whenever they get in the wake of somebody else and can slingshot around them and it's like, yeah, that's just side drafting at its finest right there. It's just slowing both of them cars down. Nobody. [00:22:54] Speaker B: So drastic. I mean, I guess it was so drastic because the track is so fast, but it was just, it was wild to see on tv. It just looked, it looked crazy how slow they were going when they were got side by side. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Oh, no. Down. Doubt about it, man. It was, it was absolutely nuts to see. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Did you think miss, like, overall it was a good race? [00:23:13] Speaker A: Oh, hell yeah. It was great. [00:23:15] Speaker B: I thought the racing, because there was. [00:23:16] Speaker A: Strategy in it that what you did with your tire strategy mattered, how much gas you packed in mattered. It had a little bit of everything. It wasn't all reliant on fuel strategy like it has been in the last couple intermediate tracks. He didn't have anybody. [00:23:32] Speaker B: God. Because that's all we're going to Daytona, is saving gas. [00:23:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, saving gas. But the one thing that I love, too, is that if you put on two tires, it wasn't the trump card. That has worked out in someone like Ryan Blaney's favor so many times, where they put on two tires and are able to go hundreds of laps and still have enough speed to stick it out in front of somebody. If you took two tires, it may work for a little bit, but you can't hold on to it. If you put on four tires, it sent you to the back, but you were faster than other guys with the tire deficit on you. So it was. It was really neat to see all that and strategy really coming into play. And there was, like two to three really solid strategies that everybody was kind of working with. And it was just seeing who was going to come out with the best one by the end. It was awesome. A lot of adversity for the leaders and a lot of it for playoff drivers. Like, just really cool race. All in all, I enjoyed that. [00:24:32] Speaker B: It was kind of just had, like, all the little nuts and bolts that you would want in a race, and you kind of just never really knew what was going to happen until the end, which was nice, definitely. [00:24:46] Speaker A: And one thing I really loved about the end was that the car that should have won without any stupid stuff going down is the car that ended up winning. So he still had to go out there and earn it. And I'm not saying that I'm not a fan of overtime restarts and this and that. Like, people will be freaking out about. Just genuinely loved that he had to go back out there and earn it, and not only had to earn it once, had to re earn it twice. So I think it was cool to see it. And then he ends up getting. [00:25:13] Speaker B: I think this would have put a. This race would have got a sour taste put in its mat, everybody's mouth if Reddick wouldn't have won this race because, yeah, Byron comes out and just everyone was freaking out about the true xdev, uh, caution. I cannot comment too much on it because I did not see it live. Like, like, I haven't seen, like, how the race was playing out when the true ex caution went down. But, uh, I don't know. What do you think? Should the true x thing been a caution? [00:25:48] Speaker A: Ah, gosh. That's one of those where there's precedent on both sides that I just. I don't know what information they have up in the tower. Do I think they could have gotten away with not putting it out? Absolutely. I think they could have totally gotten away with not putting it out. The race was playing out very naturally. Reddick was going to win the race. That was. They were already talking about it with ten laps to go. I mean, it wasn't like they were waiting until two or three to, like, really start calling it. Everybody knew who was winning that race. So to see the true ex caution come out for such light contact, the only reason that I think, yes, it was okay, was one, because it's at an awkward angle to the tower where he basically hit the wall when he was looking directly at the tower. So there's not really a whole lot of angle for them to take a look and see what's going on there. Their view is a little bit obstructed. They're having to go off of a turn three or a turn four spotter to make that call and to tell them whether or not they should put it out. But when you've got cars that are going 205 to 209 miles an hour, if there's even a possibility that Truex is going to cut a Tire and Drive down into a bunch of traffic, he put out debris on the Track. [00:27:03] Speaker B: It's. [00:27:04] Speaker A: It's one of those like, yeah, you hate to see it if you're Reddit. And maybe it was something they would have let go if it was earlier in the race and they could keep an eye on it. It was like a lap car, somebody that was back in the back of the pack, but you're talking about a guy at the very front. So if there is any debris or anything that happens because of that wreck, he's got 90% of the field that still has to go through that same area that he hit. So I think I can see why they did it. Do I also think it was a little bit fortuitous on NASCAR's behalf to throw it because it created an overtime restart? Absolutely. I I definitely think that throttle, that thought had to have gone through their mind, but I think this one was a little bit more justified than just a light hit because you're going 200 miles an hour. [00:27:49] Speaker B: I I guess it's a little different. I'm on the fence because I just wish there was still more consistency with cautions. Because you have Cendrick in the same race that gets complete, nails the wall and completely sideways and I mean, I don't know, I just. That when that wasn't a caution, you know what I mean? That just blew. It blew my mind during the race that that wasn't a caution. And, uh, it blew, it kind of blew my mind that it took so long to call the caution on, on the Corley joy thing. And even Denny Hamlin spotter, he says, like, they haven't seen it. They haven't seen it. Like, they don't. I don't think they saw Cory the joy flip immediately. I don't think that was like, I think they just. A car was like spinning. You know what I mean? I don't think it was like, oh, he flipped over because they were, they. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Didn'T realize he was. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah, they were just, they just saw it as a spin and it was just. And that's just is what it is. I mean, if you can't see the car, you know what I mean? Like, you can't see it. You can't see it. But I kind of thought it was funny, though, that his, that Denny Spotter was like, they can't, they don't know what happened. They can't see it. They keep in it. Keep in it. [00:28:58] Speaker A: It's green. [00:28:58] Speaker B: It's green. And I was like, because they're showing the onboard camera, I mean, Indy was 50 car lengths back from where this was. So he had a clear view of the seven going down and you can see him flip over and everything and, you know. But, uh. Yeah, I just wish there was still some more consistent. See, I didn't. I just feel like at the end of a race, dude, they want to caution so bad. They do kind of just drive. [00:29:23] Speaker A: I agree with that. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Like, it's like, boom. I mean, there he is, you know, spin, touch the wall. Boom, there. Caution. It's like damn yard with tend to go. Their fingers is a, you know, a centimeter away. It's like Reverend, first, the first thing, it's like caution. And we've been seeing that now a little. [00:29:44] Speaker A: See that? Yes, and that is so true. And I agree with you. I would love to see more consistency in the calls. The one thing they've got to worry about, though, is just treading that line is like, if you're calling that as a caution in stage three with ten to go, why aren't you calling that in stage one? But then also, why should you call that at all? Because if we're going to call a caution. Every time somebody hits the wall in the middle of a corner, we're barely gonna get any green flag racing in. There's guys, just walls. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Be that way. [00:30:14] Speaker A: You gotta have like a line. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Some of the things like Freddie Kraft always preaches a caution is a caution. Like if a caution, caution. If you're, if it's, if it's not gonna be one this way, it's not one this way. If it is one this way, then it is one this way. I was at the Atlanta race when the 34 and the 24 wrecked like absolute hell. Stuff is everywhere. They're spinning. I mean, their cars are smashed up at the entrance of pit road and they don't call the caution because they're in the middle of a pit side. I thought that was the biggest horseshit situation I've seen in quite a while. And I know everybody else freaked out. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's just dangerous. [00:30:53] Speaker B: But it's like, that's a caution. That's 100% a caution. It doesn't matter if a caution comes out, it doesn't matter if it's, if it's in overtime or if there's less than ten to go, if they're in a pit strategy, if they're in a pit cycle, if it's on lap one or if it's on lap 200, it doesn't matter. Caution is a caution or a caution is not a caution. And just let it like you gotta pick one way or the other. You can't. In my mind you can't. You cannot have a caution. For Truex, when Cendricks wreck was way worse, eccentric was completely sideways, slot like you're talking about sliding down the track. His and you have a point of like 90% of the fields coming because Truex running up front. But still it doesn't matter if there's three cars coming or 33 cars coming. I think if a car is completely sideways in wrecking like that and you're going to call it, you're going to. No, call it the first time. No, call it the second time. If you call it the first time. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:52] Speaker B: If they would have called that centric caution a caution, no one would have said anything about true x being a caution. I don't think. Because you said they're calling that consistently and that's what they've already stated, that this way set the precedent that this is a caution today. And I hate that it has to be a day by day case, but it just, it is. And it's like that. There's no, yeah, there will always be a little bit of that, even in the same race, which drives me nuts. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah, there's always going to be a little inconsistency no matter who's roughing it. That's true of any sport. But we're definitely in an interesting situation where our sport literally comes to a halt if there's anything that happens on the racetrack. And so it's not like a football where they. Where the play was going to end naturally within two or 3 seconds of it starting like you're talking. We could be going for an entire hour and a half non stop and then suddenly have a caution thrown out that stops the race and completely changes the dynamic of it. Yeah, and it puts a lot of pressure on the guy that's in charge of calling the caution. Like, do you call it or do you. Nothing. It's tough. I'm not going to say that I envy being in that position, but they've got a lot of people in their ear. It's not just the race car drivers and the race teams that they have to answer to, but it's tv. It's NASCAR ownership, and all sorts of different factors play into it. And if you really think that the race teams have the most control, it's kind of what I tell people at Travis Tritt concerts. I'm at the merch stand. I'm literally as far as humanly possible away from the artist right now. What makes you think that I have any control over anything that goes on behind that stage? Same thing for the race teams. The people that are in the race director's ear are not the race teams. It's the NASCAR officials and TV partners. Those are the guys that are in the booth with them that can influence those decisions in a lot more of a direct way. So you're always going to have to err on the side of, are they throwing that because it's a legitimate racing issue, or are they throwing that because tv really needs a commercial break here and wants an exciting. [00:34:02] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's something else. This just goes straight. You could throw this right back into Elton Sawyer's face. What I'm about to say, his exact excuse at Indy when Ryan Priest wrecked was that they thought he'd get the car going because it was such a big track. Michigan's a huge track. Why did you wait and whole entire lap at Indy? But in this situation, you throw it immediately. It's just, that's. Yes, there's no consistency. And I feel like that consistency has gotten so much worse over the last kind of sense. [00:34:44] Speaker A: It really has. [00:34:45] Speaker B: David who? David Hoots was the race director for so long. So it was consistent with what he thought was caution and what he considered how a race should be done. You know what I mean? He's. He was the race director. He's been the race director my whole entire life, up until he retired recently. And then now supposedly the excuses is they have. There's a race director for cup, xfinity and truck, so you can't compare those. That's what they say. You can't compare those. But then also, they bring in other people to train in case someone's sick or has a wedding or a funeral or whatever. They can all flip flop and intertwine. That's great. And all to have a couple guys ready to go, but damn, you gotta. I just think that that consistency of having that same person in there every single weekend, that was very beneficial for the sport to have, because then it's. He's the one that answered the questions every single time. Elton Sawyer has to answer the questions. But the best part is, Elton Sawyer's not the one that's putting his finger on the button. He's answering. [00:35:48] Speaker A: He's the director of competition race direct. [00:35:51] Speaker B: I don't know who it is nowadays. It also. [00:35:52] Speaker A: I have no clue. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Changes so often. Like, the guy that's making that call, Elton Sawyer has to come out and give. Give a statement about it when he's not even the one that did it back in the day. Hoots would come out and he would make the statements about it, and then it finally got to be it. Just once you do something for freaking so long that he could stand on what he thought was a caution, and it was just very consistent with what it was. [00:36:18] Speaker A: I'm all stand on bitch. [00:36:21] Speaker B: Anyway, I didn't mean to get such a long, drawn out conversation. It's caution, but it's just. [00:36:25] Speaker A: It's interesting to think in the same. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Race, even from three weeks ago. You know, it's just like, jesus, there's no consistency. [00:36:33] Speaker A: There really isn't. And it'll. It would be wonderful if we can get that in there. But I just wonder if there's just a little bit of weakness coming from NASCAR leadership and telling the race directors like, hey, we need to get our damn crap together and do this. We need to do this right. Seems like we're just kind of flying by the seat of our pants. We're not worried about precedent. We're not worried about creating a plan going in. We're not worried about trying to solve these issues before they happen. We just react to each one as they pop. Which works great when you can wait till Wednesday to decide that Austin Dillon doesn't make playoffs. But it sucks when you literally have 10ft from when something happened to when it ended to decide whether or not it warranted a caution. So flying by the seat of your pants really doesn't work in every situation and should be genuinely generally avoided. Yet it feels like that's kind of how we operate these races. There's you just, and I would love to see that. [00:37:27] Speaker B: Made a great point, though, about the leadership thing because Dale junior brought this up a while back, and not even a while back, he bought this back up with the Richmond race. About the official, you don't have the Mike Hilton guy anymore. That's there. He's not only the leader for the drivers to jump in somebody's ass, but he was also the leader for NASCAR to jump in somebody's ass. You don't have a leader. You don't have that Mike Hilton guy that's there that's going to jump in someone's ass on both sides of the ball. You know what I mean? On the league side and the player side, you don't have that guy. And I think you made a great point there. Like, you just need that leadership. Like, just like I said, hoots back in the day, like he would just stand on business. This is the call. This is what it was. It wasn't like a politician's answer, which we get a politician's answer every single week. And that's like, without a doubt what it used to be back in the day. [00:38:23] Speaker A: It was like, people do not like. [00:38:25] Speaker B: We'Re gonna do x, y and z, and I don't give a damn if you like it or not. There was no like, oh, you know, politician. He's literally like a politician. When you ask politician a question is, and it's like, oh, man, that's brutal. That is just not what you want. [00:38:43] Speaker A: I mean, that's the, that's the hard part when it comes to Elton Sawyer is I like the guy 30% of the time, then 30% of the time, I'm not sure how I feel about it. And 30% of the time I just got, I could not disagree more with the man and it's just hilarious. Like, I don't mind disagreeing with you and I don't mind agreeing with you, but what I do mind is whenever you try to play both sides of the ball and try to appeal to the fan, appeal to the teams appeal to NASCAR and all you end up doing is just confusing and pissing off members of all three of those. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Exactly. When you give an answer that all three groups are confused on and know any of the three groups, like, can't get an answer out of, you gave a politician's answer. That is, that is the definition of that. Like, you're just confusing everybody. You're saying a whole lot of stuff without saying anything at all. In my opinion. That's just like the way it comes across. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Something else. I want to bring this up since you kind of hinted on the. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Sorry, I got to pull out my spud lights here because I got a free box of spuds. There you go. Raised rowdy, perfect stuff. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Okay, here's, here's, here's, here's two sides of this ball right here that we're going to, that we're going to talk about. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:39:59] Speaker B: So you're saying in the booth, like, with Austin Dillon last week, they got 10 seconds to make a call or 10ft to make a call on, like, what is a caution and what is not. They threw the caution very fast there for Denny Hamlin so much. Denny Hamlin's wrecking like hell, but he's still considered second. That's how fast the caution got thrown there. Okay. That is what it is. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:20] Speaker B: The worst part to me about this whole ordeal is waiting. Even though I don't give a damn if it's Wednesday or Tuesday or Monday, this whole call thing, you've never left a football game or a baseball game or any event in your life and you did not know who won that race they could take. [00:40:40] Speaker A: In my opinion, they love what you're saying. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Give me 510 even ten minutes to say something like, you like, I thought what the penalty was is exactly what I thought should have happened. Keep the win but not play off eligible. We'll talk about this later. With waiting freaking three days to make a call, even two, even a day later, I don't care if they make the call on Monday. I've never liked that. I didn't like it when they, in this whole, when they encumbered wins a few years ago and that was like a thing. [00:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I know that. I couldn't agree more with that. That is a call that needs to be made day freaking of. I mean, if we can inspect all 30, we can inspect all 36 cars within 45 minutes of that race ending and you're telling me we can't get three guys to sit down even if it's on the freaking phone? To talk about this and say, hey, we need to talk about, here's the rules that apply to this. Let's look at how this race was done. Was this stuff done within the rule book? And if it wasn't, what do we need to incur a penalty on here? All of those conversations could have happened so quick. I guarantee you they're not calling RCR and asking them questions. They're not calling Logano. They're not calling Hamlin. They're leaving all the other guys out of it. So what took so damn long? But I completely agree with that is, you know what? I would take a ruling I disagreed with 30 minutes after the race happened. But you give yourself three days to figure this out. I hope you know that if people don't like your ruling, they're going to really not like it, especially for the fact it took you three days. Because imagine if they had just put out on Wednesday, hey, we're going to find him and we're gonna take some playoff. We're gonna take his playoff points away. That would have enraged everyone in the entire garage and the entire NASCAR fandom. But they could have absolutely made that call day of and people would have had a little bit less to say about it because at least they knew immediately how that result was gonna happen. Yeah, they just change it all up. Never going to disqualify you. Yeah, no doubt. They're just painting themselves into a corner for sure. And that's a whole system that just needs to be completely overvamped and rehauled, just revamped and overhauled. I don't even know. I'm turn. Oh, man. We lost Dawson again. Dawson using that country Wi Fi. Can't keep him logged in to save his life. Give us just another minute here, folks. Technical difficulties are the name of the game today. He should be back any minute. He was such not a fan of the playoff system that he just stopped even recording our podcast because he didn't even want to have to talk about it anymore. [00:45:29] Speaker B: I'm back. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Man. What a loser. [00:45:31] Speaker B: This is brutal. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Oh, hey, there he is. [00:45:33] Speaker B: I don't. This is the worst. I don't know what's going on. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah, this is definitely strange. [00:45:38] Speaker B: I have not like, it needs to be updated or anything. So I don't know. I just. Look, there's nothing that needs to be updated, so I don't know what's going on. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Who knows? Maybe it's a riverside thing that they have going on. But anyway, I completely agree with you. They're just painting themselves into a corner of just stating we're going to take our time to make sure we come to the right answer rather than saying we need to come up with the right answer as fast as possible. Whether or not that answer is right for everyone. I think it goes right back to what you said with the politician answer thing. They're so worried about saying something wrong to a select group of people that they refuse to say anything at all until they have a chance to like, hey, is my science fair project okay? Hey, do you think this is going to go good? Hey, I. I just want to make sure that you're okay with this before I put it out to everybody. It's like, nah, man, we need those answers as soon as physically possible. I want that broadcast to have to stay on the air for longer just so we can get an answer on it because I think those calls should be made by the current race director and then whoever's over competition that day, those two people need to be in the same room at the end of the race and say, are we good with that? Yep. All right, send. [00:46:47] Speaker B: And that'd be the end of it. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And there is no internal review later on. There are no changing the rules changing like throw taking Austin Dillon out of the playoff bracket on Wednesday. All that does is mess with everybody who's been game planning all week, all week long. They can't. What am I supposed to game plan for? If I'm on the cut line underneath it, then I'm focusing on qualifying and getting good stage finishes. If I'm over it, maybe I focus a little bit more on straight line speed and worry more about the end of the race. So it just changes the entire way that you have to think about your race coming up. You're messing with a whole bunch of other drivers by taking too long to decide what to do about the and think about this. [00:47:31] Speaker B: And under the wild chance that this appeal changes, you just raced this whole race at Michigan. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Not knowing what's going on. I don't get this. [00:47:42] Speaker A: I was thinking about that during the race. [00:47:45] Speaker B: I do not understand the whole appeal thing, like how just I understand what an appeal is and I understand exactly how it works. I do not understand how they can let it drag on and you race a whole freaking race without knowing. Okay, so if they put Austin just by chance, I don't. I'm not saying this is going to happen, but say he overturns it and he gets the playoffs back. Well, this whole deal looks different after this weekend. Completely different. [00:48:14] Speaker A: And what a and that's just so frustrating for the fan, especially that's already decided what they think about Austin. That's the thing is, at the end of the day, you're very right. They are. They've put themselves in a bad situation where they don't trust their own calls enough just to say that they're the final rule. We have to have this whole arbitrating appeals board with FOIA full of lawyers outside of it to decide whether or not we followed our own rules to the point where everything happened the way that it legally should have. It's like, God dang, like if we would just release the damn rulebook to the public so everyone can see what the frick's going on, and we decided races within ten minutes and we made that ruling final, it would fix so. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Many rulebook is written like a politician wrote it. So there's no, you can. They say they write the rules so it leans in NASCAR's favorite to the point where they can, like under this circumstance or under this thing, so it's all loosey goosey, so they can like, form it to anything. There's so much gray area in all. That's why they doesn't make private any sense. Like, it just, just. It's not even just this, but a lot of things just need to be cut and dry, like black and white. Either this happened or this happened, and that's just what it is. [00:49:30] Speaker A: Me, as a fan, I don't care about your ownership structure. I do not care about the way in which the teams in your NASCAR, like the organization, interact with each other. All I care about is watching the race every Sunday and when that race getting over, I know whether or not I know the winner, and I know that if that winner is a bit in question, I'm going to find out within ten minutes what the answer is that question. So I can get on with the rest of my life from Monday to Thursday until racing, just like they do. [00:49:57] Speaker B: If you even in football, and I'm not. I hate the guy, honestly. That compares racing to ball and stick sports, but I'm going to be that guy. Like right now, when something's under review, it could take a couple minutes to look at, or they could take as much time as they want to. There's no, like, time limit on how much you have to take. You know what the best thing is? Tv has access to exactly what the refs are watching. The only thing they don't have access to is what the people in New York are talking to him in his headset. But the NFL has the, the, they'll bring a ref on then, like give his opinion. You know what I mean? Like they bring him on, on the tv screen, like in his little box and he gives his opinion on what the happened. And sometimes it goes the same way as what he said or sometimes it doesn't, but just that's the same. This, in my mind is very similar to that, if not exactly the same. Have a fucking review and let them sit there and talk about it. Give them ten minutes and figure out what's going to happen. And then I'm talking about a race winner and stuff like that. I don't, I don't mind it. Like penalties and, like monetary fines and all that come out later. That's completely fine. I'm talking about race winners and playoff stuff. The fans and everybody knowing what happened the day they left that race. [00:51:17] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [00:51:18] Speaker B: For a guy. For a guy, like he wants to buy the diecast. Like you go to a race, like. [00:51:23] Speaker A: I don't want to buy Ryan Blaney's diecast after he wins a race just to find out three days later that he doesn't. I can't get it refund. [00:51:30] Speaker B: That's. That's like exactly what I'm saying. Like, it just blows my mind that that's a. I don't know. I don't know. It just blows my mind. [00:51:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Something else. [00:51:41] Speaker A: It's just been a very interesting year for NASCAR. Officiating and NASCAR decisions and a lot of things have been up in the air. I mean, it was charters for a while now. It's this Austin Dylan thing and it'll be something else. [00:51:51] Speaker B: Charter still ain't figured out. [00:51:53] Speaker A: Just been a very, still ain't figured out. Yeah, Charter still. I think everybody just got tired of talking about them, but it's just been a bad year for them in the public's eye. It just. They've made a lot of very different decisions than I think anybody else. [00:52:08] Speaker B: The first weekend there was six races straight. And if you wanted to, you could have got a response on this race of why that light, that Martin Truex junior caution was a caution. So you can honestly almost call this seven. But he didn't. He didn't have that. He wasn't called to make a response. So we'll take that out. Elton Sawyer has had to come out and make a response about a call on the track six weeks in a row up until Michigan. That's six races straight. Good calls. Like, he has to. [00:52:42] Speaker A: That's a call. [00:52:43] Speaker B: But like he doesn't make the call. You know what I mean? So that's what I'm. It's like, it's just like, why does he even come out there and talk like no matter what he says, he's going to get ripped apart? [00:52:53] Speaker A: Just, we're just going to. It's just honestly, we're getting close to almost just saying it. We just need to get somebody else in that role. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Just somebody with the balls to just be like, this is. This is what it is, Mike Hilton, you know what I mean? I hate to also be the guy that's like, going back to good old days was the best days. I'm not saying that either. All in all, as the next season and the exciting, crazy stuff to happen this year has been awesome. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Phenomenal. Loved it. Yeah. Good lord. What? We lost Dawson three times now. Three for Dale. Oh, man, what a long podcast recording this is going to be. [00:53:45] Speaker B: This is stupid. Almost as stupid as. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Almost. But we might actually find out the reason why this is happening before the end of the podcast rather than like on a Wednesday or something. [00:53:57] Speaker B: Um, something else. I wanted to bring this up. This is something that just chat. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Not a Jeff Burton fan. Yeah, no, Mandez. This may be an interesting one to one. We put it out. We'll have to just pay attention when we do. Let's see, is there like a setting where you can like, lower your quality or something weird? I'm trying to figure it out on my end, too. And we lost him again. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Are you there? [00:56:01] Speaker A: I'm there. You're back. [00:56:02] Speaker B: This is ridiculous. I apologize. This is just ridiculous thing with us. [00:56:10] Speaker A: Don't worry that I've ever been this many problems with Riverside before. We'll just have to put in a ticket on it and see what happens. But anyway, where you want to go from there? Where you want to head in Jeff. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Burton for a second. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Okay. [00:56:28] Speaker B: He is so scared of death. The rain tires. He is so scared to death of speed. He is so scared to death of cars flipping over. I don't know how the man ever made a living racing cars and one racer. He says that this is unacceptable, that this race car flipped over and all this stuff. And I just want to say, if you race cars, fast cars are going to flip over. I don't care what technology, what you do, you can do everything in the world. Racing is never going to be safe, quote unquote safe. We can make it safer. But at 210 miles an hour with 30 miles an hour. 30. 30 miles an hour winds going down the back stretch. A car is gonna flip over. [00:57:12] Speaker A: In terms of airspeed, it was going, like 220 miles an hour. [00:57:16] Speaker B: That's what I read. [00:57:18] Speaker A: So, like, my God, that's an unbelievable amount of wind. You just have something in the back of your truck going 70, and you're almost able to keep it in the back of the truck. [00:57:27] Speaker B: That's. [00:57:27] Speaker A: We're not even going close to 200 miles an hour. [00:57:29] Speaker B: I just wanted to point that out. Like, that car flipping over was the least of my words. It flipped over on his head. He flipped over. He tumbled, like, two times, and he was perfectly fine. I just could not. [00:57:40] Speaker A: Yeah. They made such a huge deal out of it. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I just could not believe that. So that's. I just had to get that out and. And say that that is just ridiculous. And I thought him saying that's just unacceptable was ridiculous. I thought it was unacceptable that he said it was unacceptable. [00:57:56] Speaker A: I mean, should they look into it and see if they can do something about it? Yeah, absolutely. Do everything you can, but don't. Let's just not. Let's stop making it just like the end of the world every time a car flips over. I completely agree. Cause it seems like every time a car flips now we just have to have a five minute long conversation about why it's. [00:58:15] Speaker B: We gotta make cars, we gotta do this. [00:58:17] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. We gotta put all this extra work into figuring out why that car flipped over. I'm just like, you know what? Do you know why the car flipped over? Because it's going really fucking fast. That's why it flipped over. [00:58:28] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:58:28] Speaker A: And I. We can take a look and see what we can do about that. I mean, what. What do you want to do? I mean, you got. The whole underside of the car is basically a solid sheet, so that's not helping anything. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Not helping at all. [00:58:40] Speaker A: You take that off, you want to throw more flaps on it. Let's just make the whole top of the car pop off. As soon as it starts getting a little sideways, there's a whole thing. [00:58:49] Speaker B: Just ejects anyway. Okay. I'm just glad we're on the same page. I just had to bring that up. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I just think it's ridiculous that they bring it up every time. We can't just dissect the flip. We can't just talk about what happened with the contact with him and Gregson, and we got to talk about how dangerous it is that the car flipped over. It's like, dog. It may have been dangerous, but it looked pretty fricking cool. I wish we'd just talk about how cool it is on the broadcast and we worry about the safety. So there's nothing that I as a fan can do from my couch to make Corey La Joy feel better about being upside down. [00:59:20] Speaker B: I'm just glad. [00:59:20] Speaker A: But I sure as shit can feel better. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Watching Hamlin has so much common sense to say I would rather flip a car than hit a car, you know, hit the wall head on. And it's like, yeah, it's just part of racing. It's just part. Wrecks are part of racing. Flipping over part of racing. Like, you know, when you put that helmet on and get in that car, anything could happen. We know that as fans, like, like, that's just part of it. I'm not saying it needs to be, you know, the most dangerous thing in the world, but driving a car at 210 miles an hour down the back stretch is just not ever going to be safe. And I've said that forever. [00:59:54] Speaker A: And I mean, I'll give Jeff Burton a lot of credit. He was one of the very early adapters and trying to do a lot of safety stuff. So that's where his mind's at, and I get that. And he's got a son in the sport. He doesn't want to see his son get hurt. So he's got a bunch of reasons for is that way. Yes, but he's got a bunch of reasons for why he is the way that he is. So I understand it, but I also don't want to have it thrown in my face every freaking time somebody does something dangerous on. [01:00:22] Speaker B: Dude, we, when the rain tire thing was happening, and I've talked about it on here as well, it's like, dude. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Every week it's like, jeff, lay off. [01:00:30] Speaker B: The rain tire situation. They're here for a reason. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Like they're doing. It's happening. It used to just chill out. [01:00:37] Speaker B: Like, that's not the hill you need to down. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely not. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Can you tell me how long we've been recording? Because mine, mine says four minutes and 50 seconds. [01:00:48] Speaker A: Exactly. An hour and 30 seconds. [01:00:50] Speaker B: I was wondering how long we've been at this, so I wasn't dragging on stuff for too long. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Oh, hour and 30 seconds. So I feel like it's, it's finally time to dissect. Since we've been talking about him being upside down, we might as well get into the Corey Lajoy. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Yes. [01:01:06] Speaker A: With him getting released from his ride. [01:01:08] Speaker B: Fire top fives this weekend. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Not one earned by that man. [01:01:13] Speaker B: Not one earned by that Mandev. Those guys, Zane he's in the top. [01:01:18] Speaker A: Five of drivers to get out of their cars. He's one of the first five drivers to get out of his car. [01:01:22] Speaker B: So weekly. [01:01:23] Speaker A: He's got a top core. [01:01:24] Speaker B: The joy wrecks. Every week. Yeah, every week. [01:01:30] Speaker A: And at least he kind of admitted it. I've never flipped a race car in my whole career. I've already done it two times this year alone. It's like, well, at least you can recognize that he's just. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Underperforming. Man is bad. Just. I just wonder how bad he's been. How long. What am I trying to say? If you had a different driver in those spire cars recently, would they be the guys that ran 30th or they could have been running 25th and 20th in those cars when they were really bad. You know what I mean? [01:02:06] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:02:07] Speaker B: This just opened. [01:02:07] Speaker A: He had his opportunity really opened up after Atlanta last year. When he did really good, it was like all of a sudden you are on top of the world. And he's done everything he possibly can to fumble the bag along the way. [01:02:20] Speaker B: The definition in the dictionary, just a picture of Corey. [01:02:25] Speaker A: Legend of Corey right now. And I'm. I would be the first one to say I like Corey for who he is. I like the way that he carries himself and acts and does all these other things, but when it comes to actual racetrack performance, absolutely. He has failed to deliver on every account. And what his expectations were always under. He always underperformed. His expectations wasn't necessarily his fault that his expectations suddenly grew. But when the expectations grow, especially due to your team investing so much into what you have behind you and you're not meeting them, it's time to start looking to make a change. And I think Spire is making the best possible decision that they can right now and getting rid of them. Even though he still has a year left on that contract, it was just proving that keeping him in that car in 2025, the team behind him has been improving, but he has not and their finishes have not been improving. So keeping him in there for a whole nother year, it wasn't worth their time anymore. There was they diminishing returns. They're the more more money they're put in, the less and less and less they're getting out. So it was time to make that change. Now who, how that change gets made, I'm very intrigued to see because we haven't really had a lot of answers on that. We know that Justin Haley is a big prospect for it, but what actually ends up happening? [01:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a big. I'm very interested in that. And I just, I just cannot believe the man's never finished in the top five. Top ten. Sorry, top ten. And you have these guys, Carson hoso bar and Zane Smith, who have come in and have multiple top tens in these cars. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:10] Speaker B: And I just. [01:04:10] Speaker A: And where are you at? Where are you at? [01:04:14] Speaker B: That exposed Corey Lajoy like, that exposed. That was, that was the nail in the coffin that exposed it. And you can't bring Rodney overdem into a sinking ship and expect him to just save the day, literally, you know, bring them back. So you don't. I think they also don't want to waste another. Waste a year, Rodney's career, you know, it's like. [01:04:36] Speaker A: And would Rodney stick around if he spends a whole year doing Corey Lajoy and nothing come up? [01:04:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:42] Speaker A: I mean, would he even stick around in that role? [01:04:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's just, you know, there's a, there's a lot that went into that decision and I just think it. That's Corey. Another thing about Corey Lajoy, Corey Lajoy has never won a NASCAR sanction race ever. [01:05:02] Speaker A: Not once. Not even once. [01:05:04] Speaker B: And he might just need to take the John Hunter Nema check approach, take a big pay cut and go win some races because winning races in the Truck series is going to do a hell of a lot more for you then wrecking and running the bag every week in the cup series. [01:05:23] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. [01:05:24] Speaker B: And so that's where I just think that 100%, like, if he could get a great truck ride or a great xfinity ride or something like that. I heard someone on the podcast, I think it was door bumper clear, saying that they, you know, junior had reached out. Like Junior motorsport. [01:05:39] Speaker A: It's like, yeah, I think it was. [01:05:40] Speaker B: DBC on something like that would be highly beneficial for Corey La Joy to see, to see what would happen. And if he goes there and wrecks a bunch of cars and stuff, then that's a tough scene. But if he goes there and dominates and does wins races, like, that's what he needs to do. He needs to go win races in. [01:05:58] Speaker A: He does because he's at that point now in his career where he needs to figure it out. And I think you're exactly right. Going down, even going down to xfinity would be a risk on his part because there are still good drivers there, but he's going to be coming in with cup series experience for a few different teams, but a lot of years and a lot of races, if he can't go down there and win races, it just proves the point even further that we can even lower him down into an easier series and he still can't win. It just kind of exposes your talent level and it's. There's nothing wrong with not being as good as the people in the cup series, but there is something wrong with the team that keeps them around forever, not doing anything about it when it's proven over and over and over again that that is the case. So it's. Corey Lajoy is the only one here that has everything to lose and or nothing to lose and everything to gain by moving out and going down into those series. You're either. You're either on the way out already and it just extends your exit or you're going to go down there and prove that. Yes, I know what I'm doing. I just needed my confidence rebuild. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Exactly. And he could go down there, win some races and come back a completely different race car drive all for the better. [01:07:11] Speaker A: You just never know. And I like Corey, so I want to see him stay racing in some form or fashion. And if he does go down to xfinity, I'd probably cheer for him just to see him do well. But that only is going to last for about the first six months of the season. As soon as it gets about the halfway point, if things aren't going well and if he's not in, like the. [01:07:29] Speaker B: Top five, he's pulling a Brandon Jones in points. [01:07:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going to have a hard time supporting you after that. It's going to be like, dude, I just. I can't. I can't sit back here and act like I'm a fan of somebody that's just not. It's not as bigger. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Sorry, is there a bigger pay to play driver than Brandon Jones in NASCAR who can just hop back and forth between top tier teams and not win with the same sponsor? [01:07:55] Speaker A: Well, for a long time. Daniel Hemrich. [01:07:58] Speaker B: But Daniel Hemrich's in the cup series, so you could say that. You, you could totally say that. [01:08:04] Speaker A: I guess I still can say that. I keep forgetting that he's still in the series. [01:08:07] Speaker B: Daniel Hemmer has a full time cup ride. [01:08:11] Speaker A: And I just don't even think about it ever. [01:08:13] Speaker B: You don't even know he's in race. [01:08:14] Speaker A: And that's okay. [01:08:16] Speaker B: You don't even know he's in races. You don't even know he is entered in races. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Daniel. Daniel Henryk is like the threshold on your front door. You walk over it every single day, but you never think about it. [01:08:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. [01:08:29] Speaker A: But the whole, that's, that's my other example of just somebody who constantly ends up with rides he doesn't deserves. He was one win and a flute championship. And I will call his championship a flute. [01:08:42] Speaker B: That's what you get when it's one race. [01:08:43] Speaker A: That's what you get from a one race and it's done kind of deal. You could, a guy who's never won just wins one race and he wins the damn championship. [01:08:51] Speaker B: That's bullshit. Half the garage people are involved in this sport. Big fans like me and you. Like, is Daniel Hamrick an champion in NaSCaR? Had to be like, uh, I don't know, you, you have to think about it. You'd have to think about that win in that situation. You'd have to think about that. [01:09:08] Speaker A: By the letter of the law, yes. But by everything that goes on in my heart, absolutely. [01:09:12] Speaker B: Exactly. No one's racing. [01:09:14] Speaker A: That was Austin Cendricks championship and it got just taken from him with a late race restart. We're on like a wild tangent right now, but just, I'm here for it. [01:09:22] Speaker B: It's just, it blows my mind. [01:09:26] Speaker A: Yeah, Brandon Jones is definitely in that, in that group of people. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Brutal. [01:09:30] Speaker A: No doubt about it. I could think of a couple others, but they never made it out of the truck series, so it's fine. [01:09:36] Speaker B: Well, at least Henry, like, jumped around from different teams and moved up. Daniel. Brandon Jones just like, okay, I'm going to go race for this high end race team and I'm going to go over here to this other high end race team. [01:09:47] Speaker A: I'm going to go to junior. [01:09:48] Speaker B: I'm going to go back, right back. [01:09:50] Speaker A: To the team I was going to go to. I was at before anyway. [01:09:52] Speaker B: Just like, what in the hell? [01:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I will never understand getting rid of it, having a driver leave you and then taking him back a year later. That just doesn't make any sense to me. [01:10:04] Speaker B: Joe. Yeah, it's Menards money. [01:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he loves having it. It just makes this team that much easier to run. And he can develop drivers with an extra team whenever he's getting Menards money. [01:10:16] Speaker B: And bass pro money is some of the biggest money in racing. And both of the people that own their respective companies, John Menard and Johnny Morris, they are both worth, I am pretty positive, both worth in the $15 billion range. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Yeah, they have fu money and then a whole other pile of f people. [01:10:38] Speaker B: Talk about Michael Jordan having a lot of money and Michael Jordan has a lot of money, but there is, there is no more f you money in racing than Johnny Morris and John Menard. [01:10:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And it just shows what the fact. It's those drivers that get behind them. [01:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just facts. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Always have a ride. [01:10:56] Speaker B: Just facts. [01:10:58] Speaker A: Mmm. Wild stuff. But anyway, I have a feeling that we've already brought it, brought him up. But that's my hack of the week for sure. This week is Corey Lajoye. Hate to say, but when you're pissed off at a guy that's. And you're both running way back in the back of the pack, and you get pissed off at him for chopping you off a turn two, and you get so mad at him that you're behind him, so obviously he's winning this chopping match, you're behind him and you come off of turn two and trying your damnedest to. He says side draft. He was trying to wreck him, and we all know it, but he was trying to spin him down into the inside turn wall or the inside wall and just somehow managed to get himself in a bad position because they were still somewhat coming out of that corner and they weren't settled in yet. And he comes to side draft him, hits him, and then spins his own car over onto its lid and skates down the track. That's hack of the weak material. It is this absolutely, without a doubt, hack of the week. [01:12:04] Speaker B: I've been waiting, uh, to say this hack of the week since the. Since it happened, but my hack of the period of time we have been off this podcast is Ricky Stenhouse for going into the corner at Richmond so hard and fast that you are sideways against someone you are not even racing for position to cause this wreck to have all this craziness happened to it. Yeah, there was so much. There was. There was a. There was a lot of punching that I wanted to talk about on here. If I was Austin Dillon, I would go punch Ricky Stenhouse right in the nose, and I would go punch Joey Logano right in the nose for almost running my family over on pit road, my wife and kids. If I was Joey Logano, I would then return that punch back to Austin Dillon for completely cleaning me out when I. I'd by far beat you on the restart. And if I was Denny Hamlin, I would also punch Austin Dillon in the nose. But there's multiple. [01:13:06] Speaker A: There's a lot of punching in the nose. [01:13:08] Speaker B: There should have been. There could have been. And it all could have started with Austin Dillon and Ricky Stenhouse and then all the others, everybody. There's a lot of people. A lot of people in that deserved a punch. Everybody deserved a punch in the nose except Denny Hamlin. He deserved to throw a punch, but Joe Logano deserved to get punched in the nose for he did. After the race. Ricky deserved to get punched in the nose for what he did to cause that caution. And Austin deserved to get punched in the nose for wrecking the 22 and him. [01:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [01:13:38] Speaker B: So. But to start off and throw in, I've been waiting. I just, I can't give one this. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Week because I'll throw one, too, to. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Give that hack of the week. [01:13:47] Speaker A: I will throw a hack of the week. Punch in the nose. I into that Richmond thing. His dumb ass crew guy. [01:13:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I love that. [01:13:55] Speaker A: I didn't even see, I showed Dawson this on the bus. I dexted you about it when it happened, and we were on the bus watching the end of the race when the xfinity race is getting rained out the other day and. But Austin Dillon's crew guy running up and punching his driver so hard in the chest after the win that he's doubled over in pain, going to collect the flag, hit him so hard in the chest that he about damn near killed him. I mean, what are you doing as a crew guy? Like, you walked up to your star athlete and hit him so hard you damaged him as a human being. You heard him. And he's supposed to go out there and drive your damn race cars. This is the first race you've had speed, and it's carried over a little bit into Michigan. So you're going to injure your damn driver when you're finally, finally getting a win for the first time that year. Like, dude, what are you doing? That's so dumb. I mean, imagine if Travis walked off the stage and I just, like, popped him right in the chest. Like, good job, man. Like, I'd be fired immediately. I'd gotten fired immediately. [01:15:00] Speaker B: Oh, no, you just can't be doing. [01:15:02] Speaker A: Stuff like that, man. Come on, man. [01:15:05] Speaker B: That's a good one. That's another, another, another good stat I wanted to bring up is Ryan Priest, Denny Hamlin talking about Cora Joey not doing himself any favors. Ryan Priest is also not doing himself any favors with being involved. And Rex with ten to go, whether they be 100% on him or involved with someone else, it doesn't matter. You're getting yourself in these situations. He has had six wrecks within ten to go that have caused NASCAR overtimes, I think, since he started back in next gen racing. And that's just about six too many. [01:15:43] Speaker A: Yeah, like, you be on one every now and then, but you're like the most consistent. [01:15:48] Speaker B: That's just a tough scene for Ryan Priest. So he can also get a hack of the week for messing up and causing so much controversy in all these finishes anyways. [01:15:58] Speaker A: Yeah, Richmond was a Richmond one was the only one that I can remember off the top of my head was not at least partly his fault. And who knows, maybe there was some sort of thing that was going on between him and Ricky already earlier in. [01:16:13] Speaker B: That a couple getting involved with something with Ricky because you know he's going to wreck you, so. [01:16:18] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Just racing anywhere within 10ft of Ricky. [01:16:22] Speaker B: Stenhouse, golly, is a bad idea. [01:16:26] Speaker A: I mean, I love that they're even talking about it on the podcast. Like Denny's saying, oh, we got to have a conversation with Ricky. Like, dude just finished the damn race. Like, what are we doing, man? [01:16:34] Speaker B: I love that he. [01:16:35] Speaker A: Two laps to go. You should not be wrecking with somebody you're not even racing for position. [01:16:38] Speaker B: I love that his excuse was his guys get a bonus for a top 15, which is great, but he was racing a guy that wasn't in 15th and now he's destroyed a race car and gave his guys extra work and no bonus. So now they got no bonus and a tore up $250,000 race car. Just a boneheaded move all the way around. [01:16:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that's definitely true. Just all the way around. Dumbass stuff that just doesn't need to be. [01:17:04] Speaker B: Need to go down. Me and you back in the day on heat, fucking trying to race each other. Both redhead. [01:17:10] Speaker A: Oh, throwing you down into the inside wall. [01:17:13] Speaker B: Ricky and him. That looks like something we've done. And then Austin Dillon cleaning out first and third looks something we'd have done. [01:17:19] Speaker A: Oh, without a doubt. Like, man, I could pick up five more spots in this race if I just wreck somebody for nothing. [01:17:24] Speaker B: If you just don't let off, you could pass a lot of guys because all you got to do is bounce off them, especially in this car. Just bounce off. It's not going to hurt your car. Just bounce off of them. [01:17:33] Speaker A: Absolutely. What are we doing? This is like bumper cars, NASCAR. You can hit people. [01:17:37] Speaker B: It's a hell of a way to race if you don't give a fuck. [01:17:40] Speaker A: It really is. Golly. Anyways, so we've got two races left in this regular season. Two races. [01:17:49] Speaker B: And we don't know, like yet. And won't know till Wednesday, apparently. Or probably Thursday. [01:17:54] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we don't know what the bottom of it looks like, but we sure should know what the top of it looks like. And right now, Reddick just finally overtook everybody for the points lead for the regular season. [01:18:04] Speaker B: First ever points lead in his cup career, which is cool. [01:18:08] Speaker A: Which. Awesome to see it. Chase is only ten points behind him, 30 20. Larson is 32. And I'd say Ryan Blaine is too far outside of there. You'd have to expect four different guys to have problems, all in the next two weeks. So we're talking the top four right now. [01:18:24] Speaker B: Imagine how cool this would be if this was natural and the top four raced all the way to the end of the year. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Well, you know what's even cooler on top of it? Chase Elliott's having what an such an old school damn NASCAR season right now. He's got one win in the bank, and you're looking at a guy that's only ten points away from having the regular season championship. I mean, that's old school is all hell. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Same thing about Reddick. Reddick has the most. Reddick has the biggest gap. Great top tens to the next person since Carl Edwards in 2011. I think there's the next closest person. There are. The next closest people are tied is like five away from him in top tens. Four or five. That's the biggest gap that there's been a guy since Carl leverage in 2011. [01:19:10] Speaker A: Damn. [01:19:10] Speaker B: So he's, he's looking at those four. He's gave away a lot of wins. He should have more than two wins, but he's running. Somebody made a great point the other day. Reddick's given away a lot of wins, but when he. He's not like Denny and he's not like Larson where like, if he gives away a win, he ends up being on a hauler. When he gives away a win, he still finished the second or 3rd? [01:19:30] Speaker A: Second. [01:19:31] Speaker B: I mean, you don't get an average finish to six without that. You know what I mean? [01:19:38] Speaker A: He's got eleven top fives and two wins, two polls and three stage wins. Now, the only stat there that he is the greatest on out of the four is in the top five. [01:19:51] Speaker B: Maybe that top ten was what I was, a top five stat. I can't remember. But either way. [01:19:56] Speaker A: Well, top ten and he's got eleven top fives, but you got Denny and Larson both having nine. It doesn't show me top tens on this NASCAR app because the NASCAR apps a bunch of horses. [01:20:07] Speaker B: I think he has like four more. [01:20:09] Speaker A: I'm sure it is top tens. So that's where it really starts to come in. Just like you said, if he doesn't finish a race, it's not like he's going home 32nd and erect out. He's going home still in the top five to top ten. He just has consistency and chases the same way. Chase only has seven top fives, but the fact that he has been around every single time for the end of these races is the reason why he's doing so. [01:20:34] Speaker B: Chase had what, like 20 something top 19 or 20 top tens in a row or something like that? [01:20:39] Speaker A: Yeah, something crazy. So you're just looking at two, two guys that are super close and two guys that aren't far behind them. All racing for the regular season points lead. And it's going to be a hellacious battle all the way to the end because I mean, you got the chaos that is Daytona next week and then you got, I mean, it could not be two more different tracks. You got chaos. Daytona full throttle. Anything could happen. Rex, every, every time go into Darlington where it's skill based and really difficult. It's all about track and your ability to drive around. [01:21:16] Speaker B: To throw this out there. Three of the best in the next gen at Darlington is Kyle Larson, Denny Hamlin, and Tyler Reddick. [01:21:24] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. And you could definitely see. And Chase has got a almost win there. If he's. He's got a win there. I can't remember when it. What it was, but he's got a couple other races where he did extremely well there, too. So he's going to be running in the top ten all day. You'd have to imagine. So, Brandi, if you're still listening at an hour and 21 minutes in the. Definitely those top four guys are who I would be looking for. Darling is not race winners for Darlington. [01:21:54] Speaker B: Yes, Daytona. [01:21:55] Speaker A: Daytona is just that. I just don't even know what to say about Daytona because it's all about. It's unfortunately become a fuel mileage track position race. [01:22:04] Speaker B: Yep. So I think. [01:22:05] Speaker A: I don't really know what to tell you about that. [01:22:07] Speaker B: I think Brad Keselowski pushes the 17 across the line again. [01:22:12] Speaker A: Damn. That's a. That's a bold. That's a bold pick right there. [01:22:16] Speaker B: Pick one. Two bets this weekend, too. That were bold. [01:22:21] Speaker A: Nice. What were? [01:22:22] Speaker B: Bush top ten. Should have been top five since he got a top five and I had a parlay with Bush here and Keselaski both finishing top ten. [01:22:31] Speaker A: Damn. There you go. Not bad at all. I didn't make any bets this. I said I wouldn't. I never did. But when it comes to Daytona, I think the one person that you're going to look at for throwing Hail Marys is going to be bubble walls. He knows that he's good there. So he's definitely going to try to shoot for a while. [01:22:54] Speaker B: You're going to need to pick the guys that are desperate for a win to win this race because they're going to do whatever it takes to win the race. Bubble Wallace. Chris Buscher McDowell. [01:23:06] Speaker A: Ty Gibbs. [01:23:06] Speaker B: Ty Gibbs. Ross Chastain is crazy. He'll do anything. Kyle Bell Bush. [01:23:12] Speaker A: Who? Kyle Busch is the one that I would probably avoid, though, because he doesn't do. He doesn't have the stats to back up that he can get. [01:23:20] Speaker B: I wouldn't bet Kyle Busch here. [01:23:22] Speaker A: I think, unfortunately enough, I think Bubba Wallace is my favorite because he's the one guy that stands out among that. Yeah, that he's the one guy that stands out amongst that group of guys we just listed that consistently does phenomenal at Daytona specifically, that also desperately needs the win. And he's definitely going to be, you know, they have this date circled as we can win this race and that's what we're going to try to do. [01:23:47] Speaker B: Yep. [01:23:48] Speaker A: Because if you're trying to race for stage points at Daytona, you can get woefully disappointed by just making one bad move at the end of the stage and get missing out on all of them. And you don't get to win the race. So they're going to be doing everything they can to win this race. I think that's the guy that I'm looking at is bubble Wallace. [01:24:04] Speaker B: I'm not. I'm not. I'm right there with you. I'm not saying I'm. I'm right there with you. [01:24:10] Speaker A: Yeah, and you're very right. Michael McDowell, he's won at Daytona already. He's proven that he can do it. So possibility he goes out there and does something wild and crazy. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Is it possible to bet Austin Dillon because he's going to go do something wild and crazy to try to prove a point getting playoffs? [01:24:27] Speaker A: That's my response to that. Eric Amarillo is not in this race, so we don't have to worry about it. [01:24:34] Speaker B: Thank God. [01:24:37] Speaker A: But, I mean, it's Daytona. This is one of those times where you're not worried about betting to win a shitload of money because you spread it out a lot. You're just basically picking a couple guys. I wouldn't put a ton of money on this race. I would just put probably a nice, solid bet down on someone mid tier, maybe a few top ten bets on some of the mid tier guys that. [01:24:59] Speaker B: Are going to have plus money, top ten parlays. [01:25:01] Speaker A: That's basically where you're going to make your money here. Yeah. Where you're going to make your money here today is or on. Daytona is strictly avoiding the favorites because their odds are going to be low and just shooting for some wild bets on the back end top tens, maybe a top five bet. But Bubble Wallace is definitely the one that if I'm going to place a winner bet because his odds are going to be high. I think you could do it. That would be the one I'd do. [01:25:29] Speaker B: I'm right there with you. [01:25:31] Speaker A: So we'll see. We shall see. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Well, that might wrap us up. [01:25:37] Speaker A: I think so. [01:25:40] Speaker B: I think a 30 minutes stretch is my longest stretch. I made it the whole time. [01:25:43] Speaker A: So there you go. That we made it to an hour and 25 minutes. So before Dawson falls out on us again, you can follow me at Caleb, conroute across the board at all places, everywhere but home. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Dawson Edwards. Music on everything. Raise rowdy, raise rowdy racing. Raise rowdy Nikki T. And raise Rowdy Matt Burrell. [01:26:07] Speaker A: Heck yeah. And everybody just make sure that you go on to Facebook and donate to Dawson's GofundMe. He has started one up to help out RCR getting some better lawyers for this appeals process. He just did not. He was really not a fan of them manipulating the playoffs the way that they did. So he's really trying to undo it right now. So go ahead and take a look at that. It's called three for not quite Dale and you'll find that everywhere on all of his socials. But anyway, y'all, thank you for listening for an hour and a half. We appreciate it. We will talk to you all later. Here's hoping next week works out, but we'll keep you updated. Love you. Talk to y'all. [01:26:48] Speaker B: Peace. 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