Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is Ray's rowdy racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards.
What up, what up, what up?
[00:00:15] Speaker B: Is it raining at your house like it is at mine?
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Oh, man. Throwing out the Verne Gosden immediately. Soon as the podcast gets rolling. I love it. It was not raining at my house like it was at Chicago, I will say that much. It was bright and sunshine down here.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it wasn't raining here either. But man, God hates Chicago street racing, apparently.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: So we have still yet to see a full race. Yeah, I know. We still haven't seen a full length race. And they shortened it by 25% this year. And it still was the second shortest race since 1972.
Like, mind blowing, man. I said that yesterday in our group text with Steven. I was like, man, I just feel like we're just never actually going to get to see what this street course race looks like for the cup series. They did it for the Xfinity series. And it looks like a hell of a lot of fun. And then it comes around to the cup series and just dumps on it every year. And I think we have one more year left on this contract. I just starting that sucker off at 05:00 p.m. i just, I question that decision.
[00:01:17] Speaker B: That was going to be my biggest. That's my biggest problem yesterday.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I get it.
[00:01:25] Speaker B: My biggest problem yesterday is I guess I wasn't thinking last year has been a year ago. So I forgot about, like, not being able to race into the night. I already knew they can't race on the next day. I knew that. But I guess I thought last year they like, raced semi into the night or something.
[00:01:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:43] Speaker B: And it was funny. They actually, NASCAR announced the 920 thing. I mean, probably like 30 minutes before tv said anything. Like Twitter.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: And everybody, I mean, if it was probably like 30 minutes before. So nast, uh, the NBC, like, finally said something about it. But anyway, what I was getting at when I saw that, I was like, why do you start this race at 05:00 like, I talked about it recently, uh, me and you did the other week to go. Like, I actually don't mind. The evening starts on a Sunday. Like, Monday is my day that I have to chill out. I don't write songs on Mondays. It's the day I'm not on the road. Like, Monday is my day to chill. So having a evening night race is like, not that too big of a deal to me on a Sunday. I know it is for a lot of other people, but I just don't get when there is a curfew why in the hell would you start a race at 05:00?
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Four and a half hours from that.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: Didn't we just talk about the fact that if there's impending weather, they can move the tv window a little bit just to make it fit a little bit better into the weather system?
[00:02:58] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, 24 hours before they can, they would have made that decision on Saturday, but still, like, even 04:00 that wouldn't, like, let's like, bump it up to, like, a normal, you know, 232 30. Yeah, like, where's that at when we have a window? I think the only way they should have these late, late evening starts is if the track has lots and can.
[00:03:23] Speaker A: Race on the next day if need to.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: And can race on the next day if need to. I mean, that's has lots and such, and it's like, Loudon or whatever, and you have wet tires. That even helps even more.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. It's just a mess of trying to fit around so many city regulations, state regulations, tv windows. There's just so many factors that came into probably timing that race out. I'm sure Chicago had something to say about when that race started, but I mean, even.
Even so, it's just, it's tough to force this into the window they're trying to aim it into when there's weather involved. That's the one issue that they came across both years. It's just if the. If the rain falls, it calls the entire event into question. I mean, we're lucky we got to get to a halfway point in this race. It would have been real embarrassing if we got only 37 laps and we needed 38 to be halfway. What would they have done then? They would have just had to call it.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: It would have been called, like, like we were talking about in the group chat. It would have been called.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah, and like, how disappointing is that? That they have to create a special rule for this street course race that if it doesn't get to halfway and there's no possibility of continuing the event, then it just gonna have to call it. And that's just, it just. It's so difficult. We talked about it last year when they announced the plan to do it, that we had our concerns, and luckily, it's worked out both years to be somewhat entertaining. You don't know what's going to happen, the rainfall, and adds that level of. You don't know. But if you look deeper into it, it just.
It brings up a whole bunch of issues that could pop up because we don't really have a contingency plan, and there's not a really good one to, to do anything around. We've, we. I feel like we've gotten lucky two years in a row. Are we going to get lucky that third year? And I think it's the final year of that contract, are we going to get lucky that third and final year to make this happen?
[00:05:18] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't even know. I saw Ben Kennedy. He said he, like, feels confident about it, but it's not even, like a locked in thing for next year. So that's an, it's like, yeah, I don't know. It seems like the city of Chicago, like, always beforehand, like, hates it. But then when, like, the governor or the mayor, whoever it was, talking to, the driver's meeting, he's like, we're so happy to have you here. We love this event. It's great for the restaurants and the hotels and this, that and other. So I don't know what to believe or what. I just, I don't know. I just look at Twitter and form my own opinions because everybody says something different. So I don't really know what goes on with that whole.
[00:05:59] Speaker A: Well, there's a, I just feel like there's a good reason why racetracks are usually put outside of the city limits, because there's only the people that like racing that don't find racing annoying. And I feel like that's kind of what we run into a lot.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: People that don't like it just find it incredibly intrusive in their life for some reason. And, I don't know, it just makes it tough to have these downtown events like this, and it usually works out for a couple years until it doesn't.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, uh.
I don't know. I don't know if they, I'll say this, I don't mind the street course racing, the actual racing aspect of it. Like, if there was a street course built that was, like, permanent, you know, like, we built that same racetrack with the same walls, but put it somewhere else. I don't know, like, put it downtown.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Chicago, put it in Gary, Indiana.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's going to be in the middle of BFE, like, the actual design of the racetrack and, like, the close walls and, and just everything you got to do. Like, I enjoy the racing. It's just all the other stuff that goes on. I agree with the whole situation.
Yeah. It's like, like I just said, it's kind of confusing because you hear so many different things on social media. Not that any of them are true or not true. I don't know. So I'm just like.
Like I said last week, it's just like, enjoy it while it's here because I don't know how long it'll be here. So just, you know, enjoy it. Why it's here.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: It's the only way you can look at it. And someone who really enjoyed it was Alex Bowman. Finally gets his win. First time in, what, 83 races? 84 races, something like that, yeah. He's been one less.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: I'm a Bowman fan, and I was.
[00:07:40] Speaker A: Saying the same thing as he was.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: Coming around, coming out. I mean, he's coming off of a broke back and a broke head over the few years. So we've.
We've heard other drivers talk about after, like, breaking your back, it's kind of like one of the hardest things to come back from. One, because obviously your back broken, that's terrible. But two, because, like, you're literally your ass in the seat. Like, how you feel the race car doesn't give you the feedback that you need to tell the crew chief what's wrong or how the car feels in the corner. You know, stuff like that. Yeah.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: And you're always having to brace against it and you're probably making decisions you don't even realize affect your drive.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And his, his, his crew chief called a great race and they, they did it the best of any of it. And then Bowman was very aggressive and got around Joey hand and it was. I don't know, he just ran at the end. He ran. He ran. The back end of that race is. It was perfectly called and perfectly driven on the back end when it counted, really? So, yeah, I think he definitely deserved that one.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: Oh, he did. 100%. I mean, it. It was a lot of. It was a lot of effort and drive that took him to get up there running. A separate strategy from the only other guy that was out there trying to, excuse me, compete with him and tower Reddick as he was catching up. So you obviously had two different strategies that worked out great for their own individual purposes. And I think Bowman and his team just managed to put that last run together in a great way. And, I mean, take that mistake away from Tyler Reddick. I think he still would have had a really tough time getting around.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: He would have been hard to go fast enough. Yeah. Two weeks in a row that Reddick has been in the Cats Catbird seat and totally fudged it up.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Just made a mistake, dude.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: Like, he had the same interview yesterday. Yeah, he had last Sunday, same interview.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: I said the same thing, went the.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: And he said it in the, in the interview. It's like he just, he was like over aggressive in that corner. He had, he was, he was by himself, like, he did not have to go that low. There was nothing messing him up so much faster. Yeah. And it would, I would have loved, I'm also, I also like Reddit. I'm a fan of Reddit, too. I would have loved to see it come down there to the end like them, them beating and banging for the win. Like I said, I'm glad Bowman won. That's awesome. But those, those slick tires, once there is an ounce of dry on the track, they are so much faster. It is insane.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they definitely are. I mean, it just, they talk about how difficult it is to drive those slick tires in the rain. And I feel like a lot of these drivers have that experience of trying to drive when it rains on the racetrack and they're at an oval and they're driving as hard as they possibly can. But it's something different when you're at these road course races and you get a wet spot in the track, even with those slick tires. Yes, it does affect the drive, obviously it does. But it seems like a really good driver can overcome that and can make it work despite a little bit of dampness. Now, obviously, you're not going to run it whenever there's standing water on the track, but when it's just damp like that. Yeah. I think really good drivers managed to hold it underneath them so much better than even really good drivers with those wet rain tires can do because they can just get so much better drive off if they just hammer down.
[00:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: So it was, it was fun to watch that. As the track was drying, I was yelling at Alison, like, so Allison was sitting there watching with me. We were both super excited. And you're just watching Tyler. With two laps to go, that time expires. He's got a three second gap to Bowman, and within the first lap, he's already put it down to, like 1.2 before he hit that wall.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: So you're telling me that somebody that much faster was coming? I mean, if I was Bowman, I'd have been shaking in my knees a little bit till I saw him ping pong off of that inside wall on that one turn.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just Reddick nailed it in his interview. He was like, you know, I'm not like, I don't, who knows what would have happened? When I got there, he was like, I think I could have got there. I'm not saying I think I could have passed him. I'm not saying it wouldn't been a wreck. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying I think I could have got to his bumper. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with that statement. I just, like I said, two weeks in a row that he's just like, kind of, that was just kind of on the driver. I don't know, he was kind of, he's in the catbird seat two weeks in a row and just kind of, you know, made the wrong decision both weekends.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Tyler's a good race car driver, but I think there's still a few situations he's kind of got to go through before he's really going to get all those pieces put into the right spot. But he's right there. I mean, he's, there's some, he's running top five constantly.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: There's something about it still with Reddit. And the only reason I say this is because they openly, he openly talked about it on DBC last year when he came on for the Christmas episode. They asked him, like, how many wins do you think you've given away when you were in that eight car? And last year? And they all agree. They like tallied him up and he's given, he is screwed up. Not always him. Like Nashville last year, tire falls off, stuff like that. But there has been multiple, multiple races. I mean, we're getting up into the like over ten now.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: That he has had the best car and been in the best situation and still doesn't have the win and I kind of still not. And Tyler Reddick's a winner. I mean, he's won championships, he's won NASCAR races, but it's like, you know, when a driver really gets in their groove, like, it takes, it seems like it takes a driver a long time to get that first win and then, you know, what it takes to get the first win, then you start rattling some off. It's like, it's like inconsistent maybe for him or something. Like, I feel like if Tyler Reddick could just go, if he could just like get on a hot streak like some of these guys do and rattle some wins off Tyler Reddick. Be a hard son of a bitch to be weakly, without a doubt, but it's just like something is inconsistent with Tyler Reddick. Something about it, and I don't know what it is, but it's those little small mistakes that have now taken him out of probably 1010 to twelve races he could, and he's already got, what, six or seven cup wins. I mean, I really think Tyler Reddick, even when he was in the eight car, he blew tires when he was in the lead. He sped on pit road when he was in that eight car. There were certain times it goes all the way back to then. I'm not even talking about when he just been in this 45 car. I mean, I would, I would say Tyler Reddit could be pushing on the door of 20 wins in the Cup Series, but he's just had the mistakes and pit road and stuff that's really just, yeah, made that to be where he's at now and only has one win at Talladega.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Shoot, I, it's just like you talk to any driver, they'll tell you more about races that they've given away than races that they've won. And it's for a very good reason. It's so easy to lose an NASCAR race and it's so difficult to win one.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: And yeah, it's just something about the end of these races. It's never, it never seems like Reddit messes him with himself in the middle of them any more than your average driver would.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: It's in the most part right there.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the last 20 laps, it seems to be where he constantly is giving something away and he's just, he's, he's so close to being everything that you need for a championship driver. I mean, you're sitting in fifth in the playoff standings right now. It just tells you what you need to know. He's right there. He's at the cusp of being one of the greats. He's just has those couple little learning things to go through yet.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: Like I'm supposed if I was 20.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: 311, I'd know I'd have, I have a great driver on my hands. I need to hold on to him.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that, and that's the, that's exactly it. Once it ever, all just clicks whenever that happens. And it could be this year, it could be next year, whatever. You could see Tyler Reddit going to run and win a bunch of races in a season, in my opinion.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: And shoot, with the way he's been driving, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened this year. Just later on in the year, once he gets everything kind of figured out and they really get their feet underneath them and they catch that one win, that they need to just kick this off. I mean, they already have a win this year, but give them one more after all these second and thirds that they've been getting lately, just make it happen.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I'd love the message that Allison just sent me. Since we're on 20 311, since we're on 20 311, we all know where we're headed. This after that, Allison just texted me. Don't forget to talk about how much of a little ass bitch bubble Bubba is.
[00:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah, there. There's. There's a lot to unpack in this situation.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: A ton. I don't even remember seeing what happened at the very beginning of the race, so I'm going to need you to remind me. It did seem like it was that big of a deal.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: It was in the rain. When it was like, they came in, it was like, pouring down rain. They ended up going back out for a couple laps before, uh, it was like, call or before the hour and 40 minutes rain delay. Yeah, that's. He got into Bubba and Bubba spine in front of some. Whatever it was. They didn't. I mean, they just spun out, and it. There's a miller, not a. You know, everybody in the field spun out. And like everybody's saying in that rain situation, there was ten different guys that got screwed, but only one guy that wanted to retaliate.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: And I just. There's just so many different ways.
And the best part is, we're not the only one with this tenure. And other people posted this, too, but there's so many other ways to go about retaliating other than the cooldown lap. And before anyone says that, me personally is saying this because it's Bubba Wallace. That would be incorrect. I have always been. And number one on my list of bullshit of drivers that do this is Truex. I've brought it up on this podcast. I brought it up at Richmond when Truex did it to Hamlin. Truex has a laundry list of guys who he has hit on the cooldown lap. Just like at the Roval, back in the day when Jimmy Johnson was ready to strangle him, Jimmy Johnson was unbuckled. No, nothing unbuckled. Winding that down, all this stuff. There's just so many other ways and so many better opportunities to go bump and run or punch someone in the mouth, whatever. Just don't do it when the window nets down and they're unbuckled and you're not expecting it. Yeah, that is not the place to do it.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: You said they had the in car camera on when Boma did get hit, and he's sitting there wiping tears out of his eyes. Yeah, or wiping tears out of his eyes and suddenly just gets jostled like a mother. I'd saw it. He's like, what the hell just happened?
[00:18:22] Speaker B: He puts his hands up like this, and I know afterwards now he's like, oh, he barely hit me in this. Whatever.
If that would have happened, say, if, say, bubba was going to do that regardless of Bowman winning that race or not, if Bowman wouldn't have won that race and he was sitting there and got nailed on the cooldown lap, the only reason he was so fine with it is because he was sitting in victory lane.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: Yes. Absolutely.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: Second or anywhere else in that race, and Bubba slams him on the cooldown lap. He is going to be seeing red, and red, because I don't care what Bowman says in the car. He's like. He, like, looks up and does like this. Like, what the hell was that for?
[00:19:00] Speaker A: Yeah, there's just no. I. The best tweet I saw was, out of the 75 ways to get back at Bowman. That just wasn't one of them. That there's just exactly what you said summed up in a sentence because I just couldn't believe it when I saw it. Then talk about, like, I feel bad for Bowman. It seemed like Twitter cared more about Bubba than it did about Bowman after the win. It's like, jesus, dude, you went and took an entire person's momentous and made it all about you. Like, how selfish could you possibly be to be doing something like that? And I agree with you. There's gonna be a ton of people that say, like, oh, you're just mad because it was Bubba. It's like, well, I'm sorry, but Bubba's kind of got a track record. The reason we're always mad when it's Bubba doing something is because it's always something that Bubba's doing it. Yeah, I mean, I. At some point, you got to stop saying that we're crying wolf here and start understanding that maybe that maybe that's a damn wolfenk.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a.
It's my favorite. It's the. My favorite thing about all this, and it's happened with other drivers, as well. But you remember poor, poor, pitiful me by Terry Clark?
[00:20:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: Yeah. That's. NASCAR drivers love being poor, poor, pitiful me.
[00:20:10] Speaker A: They specific one.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: And I'm gonna. I'm gonna also throw this in there now. Everybody's like, well, no one talked about this. No one said nothing about this. Well, it's because it hasn't been shown on NASCAR socials or anyone's socials other than these onboard cameras that fans go and screen record and post chase. Elliot hit Daniel Suarez on the cooldown lap.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Oh, did he?
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Yeah. That's just as much b's in my opinion.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Good lord. Give them both a penalty.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: The only thing that is different about the chase and Soares situation was their fight and bump and run and knocking each other out happened on the last corner of the track, bowman's, and by Bowman's and Bubba's happened 3 hours prior. Yeah.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: With an entire red flag to cool.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: Off on the last lap, Chase was going to keep his. Chase was intent. And Suarez comes in or no Chase comes in and gives Suarez the bumper. He does not wreck him, does not spend him, nothing. He gets underneath him and he's in 10th place. On the very last lap, last corner, Suarez hauls in there and just cleans chase out, spins him off into the wild blue yonder, and it knocked Chase out of the top ten. Knocked him also out of the top 20 to end his streak of top ten top 20 finishes.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Yeah. On that last word finishes in 11th.
[00:21:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And Suarez even said in his interview, he was like, I took that way too far. Like, I hit him way too hard. That's on me. So, like, Suarez understands that he did go in there and just clean him out. Like, the whole bump to get past him was not worth absolutely demolishing a guy for. Yeah, but he acknowledged that.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: I made it. I give it to you. And that may all be true, but I completely agree with you that getting Chase coming back and getting back at him on the cooldown lap just, that's just like you said, there's a thousand ways to handle that, and that's just not one of them. Don't ever put somebody else in a dangerous situation because you're mad at something that happened in the middle of the race.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: But everybody. But why has, like, NASCAR socials posted the bubba and Bowman thing? Nothing's been said about chase. Nuts.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: I feel like that's because no one saw it.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Exactly. So everyone's like, well, Trace Elliott did this and no one said anything. It's like, well, yeah, no one saw it happen. If it weren't for people that had screen recordings of those onboard cameras, no one would still know that it happened.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: NASCAR.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: NASCAR is not going to post anything about their poster child doing something stupid, probably.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: I mean, I think they would, though, because they would if it was bigger.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: News, but they're not going to dig it up and put them, I feel like they're not going to dig it up and put it out there on.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Their own, even after the race was over. Chase and Suarez, they don't have. They don't fight, they don't do anything, but they're just having a heated discussion. NASCAR never posted anything about that. It was one of the media outlets. I think it was like front stretch news or whatever. They were standing there, just normal cell phone video of it. Like, there was no coverage of any of that stuff that went down. So how can you get mad about. No one said anything when there's no coverage of it?
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Even though NASCAR doesn't say anything, you didn't have to expect the fans to get out there and just say that. Just like you're exactly what you're about to say.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: If you didn't have Twitter, which I know there's a lot of NASCAR fans that don't have Twitter, and I've said, if you don't have Twitter, you're missing out on so much information. Like, if you're just watching a NASCAR race on tv, you were getting like, the bare minimum of everything that goes on during a race. Like Twitter 1000% makes watching a NASCaR race better. If you didn't have Twitter, you would still be sitting here on Monday morning having no idea that Chase Elliott and Daniel Suarez even touched each other, which.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Is hilarious, because I didn't know that. That's why Ryan Blaney finished in the top ten, because he finished in 10th, and I had. That was my bet on Blaney. It was like, I don't think he's going to do very good, so I'm just going to put in a top ten bet because.
And I got on the last lap and I saw him pop up there and I was like, golly, how'd he go from, like, 13th to 10th so fast? I had no. I had no clue what had gone down.
Yeah, that's just so funny.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: And if everybody wants to remember this whole bubble Wallace and Bowman thing, they have not been buddies for a long time. I don't know if everybody remembers the roval and throwing water in the face.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Right hook. And coming out of the chicane and all that.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Like, all those things were drinking beer.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: Together on the weekends, you know, and.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: Every single one of the big talking points about any of those things were always bubba doing it to Bowman.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
I mean, Bowman did wreck Bubba coming out of that thing, but just like you said. But like Bowman said, he'd been door slamming him and flipping him the bird for laps. And then Bowman said, if he does it again, I'm going to wreck him. He flipped him a bird again and Bowman wrecked him corner. He gave water and gator. Whatever gets, you know, so it's like you can't, you can't be mad about the situation you're in when you always put yourself in those situations.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: It's so true.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: But Bubba Wallace is what I'm saying. Yeah. We're going to sit here and we talked last week. Bubba's sitting at the playoff bubble -51 I have not seen the points today.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: I don't know what is 40 something now? Golly, I just had it pulled up and it disappeared on me.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: So I don't know what it is.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Now, but 45 points out.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: Okay, so he gained like six points on, on the, on the guys.
Okay, he's sitting there. His, he runs an average of the just middle of the pack. If it was like we said last week, if it was the top ten that were going to the playoffs, Bubba Wallace would never even be in consideration. No. This ever. Sitting at seven years any year. So then you have that and then you do something like that. And nast, you know, NASCAR can take money and points from you.
All that does is put you and your team in a worse situation.
[00:26:25] Speaker A: I would see how these Monday morning meetings go for Bubba Wallace lately with all the things that he's got going on. Not being in the playoff picture yet, not having the confidence of his team owners, it seems, and sitting at 45 points out with all these controversial things going down week after week, bruh, just trying your best to ensure that the best opportunity you've ever had will slip through your fingers. He's got five weeks to figure this out.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: And fighting. Eric Amarola and Toyota competition meeting.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah, just it seems like your name is constantly popping up in these news headlines and none of them look great. Whether or not the Amarola thing was his fault, your name is still being mentioned. So at the end of the day, like, dude, every time news comes out about you, it's bad news.
[00:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: And it's nobody's fault but your own because you constantly put yourself in these positions and these die hard fans that want to support him. Hey, more power to you. You stand behind your driver, but you got to understand, when he does something stupid, you have to be willing to admit it.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And I've seen people, I saw a post yesterday, not a bunch, but a couple. It's like, man, I try to be a fan of bubba. Like, people talk about us. I try to be a fan, but, like, he always does stuff like this that makes me not be a fan. Like, people post that stuff yesterday on the Internet, and then you have people just like you would with Blaney or I would with Larson or whatever, your favorite driver. Like, you also have people that are die hard Bubba fans that are like, he could murder someone and they're still gonna be. Support him. You know what I mean? Like, that's just the example. They'd, like, support him till the end, you know, die Rider dies.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: Everybody's always, everybody's got those fans.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: Everybody has those. That's great. But at some point, it's just like, you can't always complain about these situations when you always put yourself in these situations.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: Mm hmm. So true.
[00:28:19] Speaker B: That's where I'm at.
[00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's a good place to end it. I feel like I. So this, the wet weather tire, we had an experiment with it at New Hampshire, and it was kind of mandated how you were going to use them, which I understand at an oval. New kind of situation. Let's make sure that this is going to work before we get it. Too crazy letting the teams take over. But this week, the teams got to make their own decision on what to do. And I absolutely loved it. I loved watching the decisions all the way from lap one till the end of that race. Who was taking slicks? Who was taking wets? How were you going to handle them? I mean, watching the Peninsky guys all start on wet weather tires and end up at the very back watching all.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: These guys elastis running uphill.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: Absolutely. And, I mean, it's a, it's a decision you got to make based off of the radar as you're reading it. I mean, everybody was taking a gamble there, and some guys got it right and some guys got it wrong. I absolutely loved everything about the wet weather package on this one. I feel like they just nailed it, put the power in the team's hands. We didn't go out there and do any racing and anything stupid. And I'm honestly amazed. When they got back racing after the red flag and all that mist and spray was up in the air, coming out of turn, coming into turn one, I told Alison, I was like, watch it. They're going to wreck like a mother right here. It's going to be a huge pileup. And they all made it through, even some of them three wide. I was, I was amazed. They're getting better at it. And you can tell.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: Yeah. There was two, two things that I really loved, and the first one is I loved the them giving the teams the opportunity to go from slicks to wet weather tire. Because like I said, if there's an ounce of dry on that racetrack and you can have slicks, you have the advantage. I mean, you could be racing that 66 car that Carl long owns. And if you're the only car on slicks and there's enough drive, you're going to look like you're in a Hendrick motorsports car.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: Secondly, I did not know this. I do not think it had been announced, but the way NASCAR, this new policy, like putting the clock and given the time and all that, even last year, Chicago that was not in place, it has never been had to be used yet. But apparently this rule came about after Chicago last year with this, you know, rule used to NASCAR could just say, there's two to go.
At any point when you come around, here's gonna be two to go.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: And you don't know what you're racing to.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't know what you're racing to. It doesn't. I mean, it just really screws everyone. So for NASCAR to come out as early as they did, like I said, NASCAR announced this, like I said 30 minutes before tv did, but they came out and said this race is going to end at 920 Eastern. And they said that so early, and they gave them exactly what it was going to be at 920. You're going to get two to go.
I thought that was, I even posted on Twitter, that's perfect. If that's the way it's got to be at this situation, let them know early, let the fans know, let them know what they're racing to, and let them know exactly how the race is going to end. And I thought that was perfect way to go about it.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And I loved everything I'm able to.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Finish, but I love the way it was handled.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. When they put that time limit thing up there, I was like, oh, my God, thank you. Cause it sucked last year to, like, be halfway through the race. It get rained and they're having to figure all this out. And then they shorten the race by 25 laps and they still barely end up making it in. It's just. It's a crap shoot the whole way around. You're wondering, are we even gonna do this? Are we not? Are they even gonna have enough light to finish this race? Yeah, it was. It was awesome to just know an hour ahead of time when they started. I know they announced it way earlier, but just having that timer up there. So you have an idea, like, we don't know what lap they're going to finish on, but we'll at least tell you when they're going to finish it. And it was, it was great to be able to see that and built up the excitement without being just like a impending doom sitting over your head. This race could end at any moment.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Something else I really liked, and it didn't get thrown on there until towards the end of the race. And I, in my opinion, I feel like this was probably not necessarily in the plans, but someone with some brains had enough time to come up with it, to put it on the storm pile on they put on there who had wets and who had dries.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: That's a great idea.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: And they threw it up there normally where like, the intervals would be and all that. In that situation, that was perfect. If that would have been fox doing that, no chance we would ever saw that. Yeah, no chance.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: I agree. So it was really cool.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So having them throw that up there, and I feel like it had, it had to be done in the middle of the race because if it was already programmed in that think, they would have done it immediately. So someone in there did something, got it switched up, and boom, got it put on there before the end of the race so we could see who was on Slicks, who was on west.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: And it was perfect.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it was great. I mean, getting to watch the, getting to watch Reddit catch up, you would have had no clue why he was so much faster in that moment. You would have thought, man, he's just really good at this rain tire stuff. And it's like he wasn't even on the rain tires. Dude had already switched to slicks. He was catching them like a mother. And you got to watch two different strategies play out right there in front of your face. And it, and they gave you every bit of information. I was even telling them, telling y'all before the race had even started, when they were going over all the modifications they make to the cars, four rain package races like this, as Steve Latard is talking about, each individual addition to the car, there's a cameraman at the back end of Kyle Larson's car showing you the mud flaps underneath the car, showing you the lights, showing you the cameras, like, everything that needed to go on for that rain race to happen, you got told about it. And we didn't even have to have a cutaway car graphic. We had the damn car on the screen as they're talking about it. So you knew immediately what the heck it was that they done to these cars to make them race better in the rain.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:18] Speaker A: That was just really cool tv work by.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: And I loved. I loved how the back windshield of Larson's car was completely fogged up and everything. And the tarts, like, you see this little camera right here? As long as that's not fogged up, we're good. You're good to go. It doesn't matter what your back windshield is like. You have a perfect view.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:35] Speaker B: As long as this camera is clear. Yeah, I wanted to talk about, too. You talked about, like, guys being good on rain tires and in the wet. I. Someone posted it, and I freaking hate that someone posted it because I was already thinking it, especially after last week or. Yeah, last week was loud and right there we have finally, because Denny Hamlin is so good at everything. We have finally found Denny Hamlin's Achilles Hill. Yeah. And it is the rain, and it is wet weather tires.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: Yeah. He falls like a rock, man. It's unbelievable. Rock, like, runs into the tire. He does all sorts of stuff.
[00:35:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And it is. He ended up finishing. Did he get a ton yesterday?
[00:35:26] Speaker A: 30Th.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: Hamlin finished 30th. Okay.
[00:35:29] Speaker A: 30Th. Yeah.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: So this. It's just. He cannot.
I think it has something to do.
I don't know. He's just like an old head, you know what I mean? Like, it's just not in his. It's not in his DNA still. Like, he's kind of like Jeff Burton. He's kind of so against the wet weather thing.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: I don't even know if I've seen him say anything bad about it. I think he just is like, it is what it is. I'll figure it out eventually, which, I mean, I have confidence. And Denny Hamlin, of all people, to figure something out. Like, he'll get there, but it's just he obviously, he ain't starting off on a good foot.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: He's going to have to work. It's nothing. He can go practice.
[00:36:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: I mean, you're gonna get in the race. The races.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: Happens to happen in, and that's.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: He's a fast learner. I could see him getting better at it, but I ain't picking Denny Hamline. And if there is a cloud in the sky, I am fading Denny Hamlin hard.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it cracks me up how that's the one thing we found that Denny Hamlin cannot be a cocky asshole about, because he cannot. Yeah, he does not figured it out.
[00:36:34] Speaker A: Yet, but his teammates got it figured out like a mother, so you'd think he'd be able to go and look at his data. But Christopher Bell in the rain, that's almost like shoe.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Just like Loudon, though. Just like Loudon. He's like, he's. They told him on the radio, he is driving it harder and deeper in the corner than you and making this x number of lap time. And Denny's like, I have no idea how he's doing that. And Chris Gabehart's like, I don't know, bro. I'm just giving you the info.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: Yeah. What, what else can you really say? I mean, at the end of the day, it's. You're going to have to watch every single bit of his FM SMT data to figure out what is he doing different than Denny. It's got to be something with the smoothness at which he applies the brake, releases the brake, and applies the throttle coming out of the corners.
[00:37:19] Speaker B: I think Christopher Bell grew up racing on slick, wet dirt racetracks his whole entire life. So he knows about driving on slick, and I. It's looking wet.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Second guy, the guy that finished right behind him. Same exact thing.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I. So I think that just has a lot to do with it. When you.
It depends what tire you're on, but if you're looking for the driest groove or if you're on the wet tires, looking for the wettest groove in dirt racing, every single time you go into the corner, the line's different. It's moved a little bit. You're moving around each corner.
Bale knows how to do that.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he's not very true. Knows, he knows what to look for and what he's doing, so.
And like I said, same thing with Reddit. You know, it's like they, he just, they.
I don't know. Bell's definitely done the. Even though he didn't win yesterday, he led so many laps in the rain. He did so well, and obviously what he did at Loudon, but he definitely seems to be the. The rain tire guy.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Imagine going back to young Christopher Bell and young Tyler Reddick. Be like, you know, all that dirt racing experience, that's going to make you a really good street her one day.
[00:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:26] Speaker A: Imagine saying something like that. Then they look at you like you have three eyeballs.
[00:38:30] Speaker B: It was before, it was before this car. But a lot of times, back in the day, when they drove the other car on the road courses, all the dirt track guys would always go out and do better, especially in qualifying at road courses, because they could just sling the car around, they're slipping and sliding, and that was just like part of road course racing a couple years ago, and, uh. Yeah, I just. I don't know if. Yeah, like you said, I don't know if you'd expect, like, all these guys that had never raced a road course in their life to get into a cup car or a xfinity car back then and be like, wow. All this stuff I learned doing that really helps me here on this road course. But it does. And, yeah, it's pretty cool.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: It does. And it kind of. It surprises you, man. It really does.
Um, Kyle Busch finally got himself a top ten, too. I just now noticed that sitting there.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: First one since May 5, I think they said.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: Good lord, man. What a wild time to be alive for Kyle Busch. But at least he didn't finish down in the thirties. In the thirties for once. I mean, he finally got himself up in there. Still 98 points out there.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Kyle. Kyle's interview before the. The weekend was so, like, he called it heartbreaking. Like, he's like, all the stuff I deal with off the racetrack to, like, come here and do this bad on Sundays is heartbreaking, and it's, like, hard to think about. It's hard to deal with, and, like, all this stuff. And I was like, damn.
[00:39:59] Speaker A: All right.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: You know? Like, it just. It was like, damn. That's a hell of a way to describe it. I guess I just didn't expect that. But he caught it heartbreaking multiple times, and I was like, all right, at.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Least he's admitting it. I mean.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah, he just has to be sad. Like, sad boy summer a little bit.
[00:40:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you got to be. At some point, you just got to admit, like, this is not going the way that I saw it playing out.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: God, it is good to see him finally back up there again. But, man, it's been a long slog just to get back up in the night.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: State places are going to look like.
[00:40:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And he finished. He finished well at the street course last year.
I want to say it's, like, third or something like that last year, but, uh.
So, yeah, maybe he's got. He's got the street course thing, you know, somewhat figured out.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Being a good race car driver there helps out, too. So. Yeah, just knowing his ability, I know it's just something I could see him doing.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Good. If anyone has anything really figured out, though, like.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: No.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: At Chicago, because every time we go there, it's different, and there's different scenarios. Raining rain and different tires and all this stuff. So I think they just go in. I love when Steve Latard was like, I'm. If I'm a crew chief, I'm not looking at any notes anymore. There's no notes to look at. You have to call this off the seat of your pants right now, as it happens. Yeah, there's no trends, no notes to look at. He said anything that I thought about that was going to happen in this race, he was like, throw it out the window. Call it like this. I think the same thing applies to the drivers. Like, it's just like, you got to do the best you can. Stay out of the wrecks and just. And get the most out of what you can without winding up. Windshield deep into the wall.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah, just like, no Graxvg.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that was.
That was also sucked. I hated that. I hate that happened.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: The guy that definitely was making a case to win that race, I mean, I'd called him not to win it last week when we talked about it. That's not what I meant. I meant that somebody was going to go in there and race him really hard and put him back in the back a little bit. But I didn't expect somebody to just. I mean, he didn't even get outright wrecked. He barely even got nudged. Briscoe did everything he could to get out of there. Was it Briscoe or Barry? I can't remember.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Briscoe, Briscoe and Barry had bad weekend.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a bad weekend to be in.
[00:42:19] Speaker B: I'm glad they signed their deals before this showing of today because it was. It looked like Noah Gregson last year.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was bad. It was just a rough. That was a rough look, but it's tough racetrack. And you're talking about two guys who just have no. No experience doing something like that, which I know everybody out there is in the same boat, but just a bad show and all the way around. I hated it for him, it was definitely a little bit embarrassing, but, yeah, you'll have those races every now and then.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: I wanted to say, too, talking about guys, like, just taking what the track gives you and, like, taking it easy. In Noah Gregson's interview during the rain, he was like, I still have PTSD from turn six. He was like, I'm already preparing for turn six, and, like, getting off the gas and what I'm going to do exiting turn five.
Yeah, and, like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, you're gonna be better off that way. Other than like. Like you said, it's a lot of reward, but a lot of risk to run on that edge.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it is there.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: And there's got, like, Denny Hamlin says to 30% advice, gonna take themselves out on their own at that situation. That number goes up. Like, people are gonna take themselves out. So if you just take, take what it gives you and make the most of it, you could probably come out of there with a pretty decent day if you. If you don't go into the wall, you know, headfirst.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: So true, man.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: Especially, like, him last year, he hit the wall headfirst, like 30 times.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And then you had Larson do it. You had Hamlin do it. You had Ryan priest do it. I can I forget half of the guys that ran into that damn tire barrier. But, yeah, I mean, it collects a little bit of everybody. 30% is pretty damn good number.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, uh.
It's just gonna happen. It just is what it is. It's gonna happen. And guys are gonna push and push and push till there's nothing left. So I totally understand. But it's also like, if you just hang back a little bit, you'd probably be in better shape.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it's true, man. And the guys that did hang back, he got a good few wild cards in the top ten. I mean, Michael McDowell, Joey Handheld, Ricky Stenhouse, Todd Gilland. Some wild cards ended up there. And it's Todd Gillan, guys that manage the surprise.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: Todd Gillen, a good race all the way around.
[00:44:30] Speaker A: He did. I had him picked as a top ten with a parlay with host of our. And I almost had it until about five laps to go. Josevar just right down the running order.
It was looking good.
But, uh, speaking of bets, would you. Did you place any before the race happened?
[00:44:50] Speaker B: I did not.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: Oh, damn.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: The only bet I wanted to place was Justin Haley top ten. It didn't happen, and so I was fine with that.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I picked Michael McDowell top five. Ryan Blade top on.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: And I made money on him and won parlay with Kyle Busch beating Suarez and Byron beating Martin Truex. So those three, those three right there ended up putting me at plus money. So I had a decent, if not lackluster weekend when it came to betting.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: Hell, yeah.
I wanted to also throw out there, and I know it's because the road courses, but SVG is having wreck aside on Sunday, having one of the best entries into NASCAR as a whole, ever.
Literally ever.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: Could not agree more, man. I mean, you said it best. The number of road courses these days may be helping him out, but holy.
No way is he coming out and having that type of season without them. But damn, is he having a hell of a season with him.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. And he runs even at Ovals. He's not up there battling for the lead, but he has already got a few top ten ovals this year. I mean, it's just, it's just. He's just a pure, talented, badass race car driver.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: He is leading the Xfinity Series point.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: Leading the point. Wanted to bring that up, too. After on this podcast, we talked about it, I accidentally bet him to win the title. The Xfinity Series title. I am not saying that SVG is going to win the title, but as of today, July 8, he is leading the points by two more playoff points than anybody else in the field and.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: Get one more win.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: There's. There's more road courses coming.
[00:46:45] Speaker A: Yep. Two of them in the playoffs.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: He's just.
I'm. I just. He can't. He's not gonna be able to go to Phoenix and do nothing crazy, but like, it's just like Chris, uh, Chris from colleague Chris area, he was like, there's a good chance. The way this is playing out, he could be leading the points by the time the playoffs start. He's going to have the most playoff points accumulated, most likely. And just like we always said, the guy, the four guys with the most going into it are usually by numbers, have the best chance of making the final four anyway. And if he just goes out and has solid runs, he doesn't wreck race cars, he doesn't finish bad. If he just goes out and does finish in that 10th to 14th area.
Not saying he's going to win the championship when doing that, but he is going to go deep in the playoffs doing that.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: Because of the point.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: He's already making a good case for it. Imagine him coming out with the. I don't know where he's at in the regular season point standings.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: I think it's.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: I don't think he's doing exceptionally well.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: Eleven, like that. 11th.
[00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he's in 11th right now. So no chance of winning the regular season points championship. But I mean, going into it with the. In the playoffs with the points lead, I mean, that's going to be wild for him. I'm excited just to see what even, what even ends up happening at this point. He just ceases to surprise me. It's just like, we go to a road course, I expect him to win or finish second.
It's impressive.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: He's just so good, it's insane.
[00:48:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know where the heck he came from, but man, am I glad he's here. He just seems like a genuine nice dude now. He just has hey out there having the most fun he possibly can. I know he's kicking ass doing it.
[00:48:32] Speaker B: I love his attitude. I love to, like, every time he gets out of a race car, he's grinning ear to ear.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:39] Speaker B: He's about, like, how much, how much, how great it was and bumping and banging and like this, that and the other. I'm just like. It's just awesome.
[00:48:47] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like he doesn't have to take it as serious as he used to in the supercars almost. And he's just out there having fun, and his fun is making him really good.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Like you said, he didn't come here. He didn't move his whole life here to run, you know, an xfinity series car. So I just really wonder what the plan is for.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: I have a feeling he's in the.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Cup series next year in the 99 car.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: That's a good place to put them.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: They ain't announced that deal yet, either.
[00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Trade one foreigner for another. Let's come on with it.
[00:49:16] Speaker B: Yeah, there's just, there's. There's just something.
I don't know.
When they asked Justin Marks about it, he said, I have no doubt that he will be racing at track house next year. Talking about Suarez, he did not say he's going to be back in his cup car in the 99 car next year. You know what I mean? He didn't say it like that. He said, racing at track house next year. So.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: Big xfinity guy.
[00:49:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know, dude. I don't know. I just wondered.
I still think there's some big, big, big parts of this silly season that ain't came out yet. I really do. I really believe that there's, like some.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: I mean, there's still so much left to go with that.
[00:49:58] Speaker B: Yeah, there is. And I'm just like, I just. I love making up all the scenarios in my head, but I'm just like, I wonder what's going to happen or, like, what goes on behind closed doors at all these places.
[00:50:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. I mean, it's slowly coming together. As the season goes on, am racing makes their decision not to have a car anymore, too.
You got all these other seats opening up. There's all sorts of stuff going on everywhere. It's just so nuts out there. It's just fun to even think about it. But, yeah, go ahead.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: I just like, you know, last year, Brett Moffat, in that car, finished 15th in points and had multiple chances to win some races. I actually won money on him in Atlanta last year in the Xfinity Series race because I bet him as a top three and he freaking in his odds were so bad that ended up being like a really good beta.
I think that was the biggest thing.
Just looking at it on paper, like how what changed so much that we went from running 15 to now, like.
[00:50:59] Speaker A: What is in the regular season, they're.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: 20Th in points, 28. Okay. Yeah, in the regular season it's like pretty far down there and yeah, when Bob, I think it was Bob posted, he talked with am racing and said like, they don't have a driver picked out for Pocono or like for the rest of the season. It's like, hmm. That seems like this wasn't just a one time thing. And then Haley Deegan takes out am racing out of her Twitter profile and her instagram and all that. It's like, hmm. That's what NFL players do when they're ready to leave town. They take all the stuff that has to do with that team out of their, off their social media. So it was almost like the writing was on the wall even though I didn't 100% like, expect that announcement like this morning first thing. But it was almost like the writing was there on the wall that it was going to happen after those couple other little things came out.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Absolutely. And Joey goes out there and takes that same car and finishes in 8th place with it.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:03] Speaker A: On Saturday.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: I just don't see that happening with her behind the wheel.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: I don't know if she would have made the field.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Are they not a locked in every week that have to qualify in?
[00:52:15] Speaker B: I think so. There's like a certain whatever in point. I don't really know. But there's something about like they posted all of her qualifying efforts this year at road courses and I mean, it's like 32nd, 37, you know, whatever. And it's like there was like over 40 cars trying to make the cup, the xfinity race.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:34] Speaker B: So there was some go home. There was like a list of like six or seven go home guys.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's just rough. I mean, I've, I'm not going to say I'm a Deegan hater by any means, but it's, man, even since the truck series, I've had a really hard time ever being convinced that putting her in a car besides the money she may bring in is a good idea. I just don't, I have not seen anything that shows me otherwise. A couple Arca wins here and there doesn't really tell me much. And the performance on the track and the truck series and Xfinity series both has made it really difficult for me to find a reason why if someone came out and said they wanted to put her in the car, I could not come up with a few reasons why that's a bad idea.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a.
Arca wins just don't mean what they used to.
[00:53:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like the Arca series used to be, I mean, just go back and look at the Arc series ten years ago. It's all cup guys now that were beating and banging and winning races. You know what I mean? Now it's like orca racing has literally turned into who has the most money to race this car.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:44] Speaker B: Just don't mean what they used to mean.
[00:53:47] Speaker A: It's more representative of the car that you're in than anything.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's hard to even base based your.
What am I looking for? Like, your success off of some Arca wins? You know what I mean?
[00:54:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Or at least in my doubt it is. And I think a lot of the people in the industry would also agree, like, just because someone's kicking ass in Arca doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be the next big thing.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: Yeah, no doubt. And, I mean, they keep putting her in positions and she keeps kind of underperforming. So, yeah, I'm. I don't know. I think there was a lot of hype, and I'm sure part of it kind of sucks because at the end of the day, she was probably, she went into all these different places with expectations put on her that she had just. No, there was no reason to put that much expectation on her to perform. And I wonder sometimes if that pressure or if that expectation weighed down on her and her ability at any point. Who knows? I don't know her. I don't know anything really about her. But it does suck to come in when people are expecting so much of you. If you just perform like a normal rookie would perform, that is disappointing to the people that already have these expectations. You're going to come in and kick ass, but the problem is the longer it's gone on, there's just not been a whole lot of improvement there. So it's like the longer we keep this going, the more and more that people are going to start jumping on that bandwagon of, like, I don't know, Mandy.
[00:55:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: And here we are now.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I really want to see. I'd love if. If am could get guys throughout the year just like Joey Logano, like, different Ford guys to come in through the year and race that car to just, like, finish the year out, you know? I know we're, like, halfway through, but still, like, getting a Blaney and Logano and a Cendrick and, you know, Harrison Burton, whoever those guys that are in the cup series just come in, because as much as we shit on Harrison Burton, Harrison Burton was a badass little Xfinity series racer, and he's gonna have to get another little badass one next year, from what it sounds like. Yeah. But, you know, like, some of those guys can. Those Ford guys could come down and it'd be cool to, you know, the. Some of the. The bigger name guys come down and run that car in my. Yeah.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: See what you can do in it. Go ahead and build it up a little bit.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:10] Speaker A: Heck yeah. Well, do you want to move on to everybody's favorite moment? Pokemon the episode?
[00:56:15] Speaker B: Oh, week.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Hack of the week.
[00:56:20] Speaker B: I got two weeks to hack of the week.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: He says.
[00:56:24] Speaker B: Hardcore hack of the weeks. My first hack of the week, because it was the first video I saw. The dude on the four wheeler driving hot track.
[00:56:32] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:56:34] Speaker B: The car.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: What was he even. What was he trying to do?
[00:56:36] Speaker B: No telling. No. No clue.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: Like, destroyed a race car. Destroyed his leg.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: Destroyed that four wheeler, destroyed one shattered leg.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: It shot into the air.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: He had a broken leg. I was like, wow, I'm surprised that's all you came out of there with.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that could. That could have ended his life.
[00:56:57] Speaker B: Same exact situation. Exact same situation. There's a sprint car race going on, and there's a late model in the infield, and he just decides during the middle of the race, he's just going to drive out of the track. Boom. What car? Bam. Nails it. Oh, yeah.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: I didn't see that one. Holy crap.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: Happened last night.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: They. He's paying for a new sprint car then.
[00:57:21] Speaker B: Sounds like he's an idiot. He's paying for a lot of.
[00:57:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Fines. Never going back to that track again. All sorts of stupid stuff. I. That's just unbelievable when people learn hot tracks are not to be messed around with and.
[00:57:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Though, as soon as I saw those, I was like, I don't care what else happens. This is you. You gotta be. I don't know. I don't know if that guy was drunk or what, but you gotta be crazy to do that.
[00:57:49] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely nuts.
I got a good one for you, and I just need. I need some explanation from somebody on this one. But my hack of the week is NASCAR opening up pit road with the jet dryers about to be right at the exit to stack up everybody whenever they're leaving pit road.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:58:08] Speaker A: Why in the world was pit road opened if we were going to have it plugged up at the ass end at the very like when they're, when all the cars are trying to leave and it's a competitive pit stop. You're telling me we're going to have jet dryers in front of the exit and we're going to cause a bunch of people to run into each other. Like worked out fine because the guy that got hit the most was, or the guy that hit hardest was tower Reddick and he ended up finishing in second. So obviously nothing bad ended up coming out of it. But I, that was some of the dumbest things I've ever seen. We got jet dryers right there. We almost Juan Pablo Montoya them with every single car exiting pit road.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Yes. And just a few years ago, that same hit that Tyler Reddick did to Bubba Wallace that would, there they would have been on the hauler going home.
[00:58:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Would have blown the radiator out.
[00:58:53] Speaker B: The only reason that car was halfway was okay. Is because it's its new car.
[00:58:58] Speaker A: Yeah, we did.
[00:59:01] Speaker B: Those cars would have just been crushed.
[00:59:04] Speaker A: Just goofy, man. Like that was just so dumb. They should have just held it for another lap or told those jet dryers, hey, park it until the, all the guys get off the pit road and then all they have going.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: All they had to do was just stop for 20 seconds, let them all get off.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Yeah, just nobody.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: We were talking in the group chat and I was like, no, something happened. Like they stopped. Like the leaders coming off pit road just slammed their brakes.
[00:59:27] Speaker A: I was, for some reason, I don't.
[00:59:29] Speaker B: Know, you didn't see, you couldn't see that there was jet dryers there, obviously, but like you could see when bail comes off. And I just saw the red car flash by and I thought it was a 38 car, but it's like they slam on their brakes right when they were getting off the side of that camera. I was like, something went on to cause this package.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:48] Speaker B: Pile up and then you see the, the full shot and it's the jet dryers down there. I'm like, oh, God.
[00:59:56] Speaker A: Oh, man, I love it. And then my back is NASCAR tower.
[01:00:01] Speaker B: Problem, though, somebody. Yeah, problem.
[01:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Be like, hey, hold up, we got hot, you got a hot pit road right now would have taken 2 seconds. That would our problem.
[01:00:12] Speaker B: Exactly.
[01:00:14] Speaker A: So that's.
[01:00:14] Speaker B: That's their problem.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my. That is my hack of the week. My back hack of the week is the idiots that climbed up on the catch fence.
[01:00:21] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[01:00:22] Speaker A: And what? I don't even know what the hell they were protesting or talking about or whatever. I don't really even care. Just getting up on a damn catch fence in the middle of a race like that. What are you doing?
What are you trying to say? Nobody. Even the tv never showed you? Nobody. The only people that saw you were people on Twitter making fun of you and that dude that climbed up after him.
[01:00:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:41] Speaker A: Ripping the damn flag out of their hands.
[01:00:43] Speaker B: There was more people protesting stuff that all day, apparently.
[01:00:50] Speaker A: What are we doing, man? Yeah, like, protest. You're in the city.
[01:00:56] Speaker B: Did you hear about fire department? Did you hear about the fire department, the emts and all that?
[01:01:01] Speaker A: I heard that they were protesting something about lack of pay or something.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: Yeah, they were showing. It was just all kind of stuff.
[01:01:10] Speaker A: Like, it's turned into everybody's just excuse to go out there and protest is what the NASCAR race is there for the grant Park 150 protesters.
[01:01:18] Speaker B: The Grant park still ain't finished yet. In two years.
[01:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I think we've gotten one full race length out of two years of race.
[01:01:25] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much.
[01:01:26] Speaker A: Good lord. Oh, man. Great hack of the weeks this week. I love it. I absolutely love it, dude. Trading paint, though. You got to go with that 34. The White Sox car. That thing was badass.
[01:01:39] Speaker B: I was a big fan of 34, and I also was a huge fan of that white fastenal car with the stars on it. Solid white. Had the blue.
[01:01:49] Speaker A: Was that the 17 car? I didn't really notice it. I never really had a good look at it.
[01:01:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that was my.
I think.
I think I liked 34 more.
Also, skill was a sponsor, and all my tools are skills, so.
[01:02:07] Speaker A: Big skill guy.
[01:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's cool, too. I love the 34 car, though. I love the 17 car. So I was. I agree with you on that.
[01:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah, looked. It looked great, man. I loved watching it. And especially whenever the city, like, other sports teams, are getting in on this, like, hey, NASCAR is coming to town. Let's sponsor a damn car, and, like, getting their name put on there, too. I just thought it was really cool cross promotion.
[01:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Just one of the worst teams in the major leagues, record wise.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: Well, I couldn't tell you anything about that, but they're from Chicago. They're. They're too busy protesting, for sure.
[01:02:44] Speaker B: Um, pocono this week. Uh, I think you go back to your Hamlin.
[01:02:50] Speaker A: Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin, Hamlin.
[01:02:54] Speaker B: Uh, they have battled and beaten bang for the lead there multiple times throughout the last couple years. So, yeah, those are definitely going to be your two favorites. They're going to be your two favorites on DraftKings. Are going to be your two favorites on your fantasy thing.
There's always some guys, though, like a McDowell. Some of those road course guys can have a good, a really good race at Pocono because of the corners.
[01:03:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:03:22] Speaker B: So if, absolutely, you had some people you need to throw in the back end, a couple layups on the end of your fantasy league, you could throw in a McDowell.
[01:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I would still pick a fairly quick team, any team that has really good speed. So I would say a Ford underdog would be a great idea.
[01:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:03:44] Speaker A: Because this track is so speed based, you've got to have a fast race car to be able to perform here. It's almost like a. If you made Talladega or Daytona a little bit more technical, but you're still going to have to pretty much rely on the top end of your engine with as long as these damn straightaways are.
[01:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Chastain has done good here in his career.
Yeah, that's kind of. It's kind of my three. Probably right there off the top would be Hamlin, Larson, and Chastain.
[01:04:15] Speaker A: I could see that. I'm definitely. I'm with you on Hamlin, for sure. I mean, there's a reason I said it a thousand times before.
[01:04:23] Speaker B: I don't.
[01:04:24] Speaker A: Lane, he's won here before. His very first win came here. Didn't tell you anything beyond that, but I'm hoping for a good race for him.
Gosh, it's. It's going to be hard to pick anybody for. I mean, of course, William Byron. I'd watch out for him, too. I could see him coming out and.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: Having a real spectacle here before getting on the hot streak, maybe. I don't know.
[01:04:45] Speaker A: But you never know, man.
[01:04:47] Speaker B: I can tell you this.
I am.
I mean, it's a NASCAr race, so I'm fired up. But I am fired up about the brickyard and not next week, but not this coming week, but the next week.
[01:05:03] Speaker A: Dude, I'm with you. I cannot wait to see this new car on the oval.
[01:05:07] Speaker B: I am so excited.
[01:05:09] Speaker A: I've been so disappointed every year that they put that damn road course out, saying I am. So, I know it's not going to be as packed as the 500 is every single year, but, damn, I really hope the fans show up for this break yard going back to the oval, especially with the new car, and I think it's gonna race like a mother around there. I am so stoked for it.
[01:05:28] Speaker B: Oh, and Denny, I think Denny said the tires fell off pretty good on his test.
Uh, I know we're getting ahead of ourselves, but I am just very, very, very excited to see this car run on the, on the, at the brickyard.
[01:05:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I enjoy Pocono for what it is, but, man, is it just in a bad spot in the schedule for me because I'm so excited about next week. I'm almost ready to get Pocono out of the way so we can get to it. But, yeah, I mean, Pocono is fun for its own thing. It's got, it brings in a lot more strategy than a lot of other racetracks do because of the fact that it's so long and it's so heavy on fuel, you've got to worry about where your fuel number is. You kind of have to race it backwards like a road course, and you.
[01:06:10] Speaker B: Can play that's the fourth edges and all that good stuff, just like a road as well.
[01:06:14] Speaker A: If there's anyone I would watch out for is like a wild cardinal like you were talking about. I would think of somebody like a stenhouse or maybe even a centric somebody that's going to have enough speed to make strategy work.
[01:06:31] Speaker B: Said you had to have speed.
[01:06:32] Speaker A: They do, but that's where I'm coming from with speed. Well, where I'm coming from is, I think you got to look at the guys that are willing to make wild strategy calls because they need to, to get those points. I could see a stenhouse. Stenhouse does it all the damn time. Staying out long, hoping for a caution.
Cendrick, I could see him doing the same thing. I've seen Penske making a lot of, like, weird strategy calls that put them in really good places. It's how Lugano's has any decent finish this year. It's how Blaney got into a couple of good spots.
Cendrick definitely can make every now and then some wild strategy move. So that's kind of why I'm talking about some real wild. I mean, I called him a wild card for a reason, and the guys that I think will do something opposite of the field in order to put themselves in better track position for later on in the race.
[01:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with you 100%, especially on Stenhouse, because something that blows me away about Ricky Stenhouse and his crew chief is they are never. They're never. They cannot get stage points. They're never around for stage points, but they always can figure out a way on that last stage, just like you said, strategy wise, to wind him up in the top ten.
[01:07:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:07:44] Speaker B: Happens all the time.
[01:07:45] Speaker A: You know who's been doing some crazy strategy lately as Todd Gilland?
They have been doing some wild stuff. He's been on, like, right sides and then left sides later on to even them back out again. I mean, they've been doing a lot of crazy things to put themselves into good finishing positions.
[01:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah, he's been running good.
I was about to say something else. Oh. Bowman finishes top ten every week.
[01:08:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:08:12] Speaker B: So I don't know if I said Bowman. Bowman, yeah. Bowman's one here. So Bowman could also be a.
Not that he's a dark horse, but, you know, that guy that could also get a win here. He has wins here previously, and he runs top ten every week, so that could be another one of those, like, this could happen kind of thing.
[01:08:32] Speaker A: Yeah. This may be a good situation where you wait till practice or qualifying before you start making any picks, because, I mean, we just named a ton of drivers that we think could do good, but it's all for different reasons. If this turns into a strategy heavy race, look at your wild cards and your back markers. If this turns into a very straight down the middle race, look at your favorites of Hamlin and. And Larson and Chastain. But outside of that, it's. It's just anybody's race because of the fact that it is, one, based so much on racecraft and two, based so much on crew chief strategy. It just. It throws a lot of monkey wrenches in it where you can be really good there and finish mediocre because someone out played you at your own game.
[01:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah, I'm with you. It'll be. It'll be a fun race.
[01:09:18] Speaker A: Yeah. But it'll be an old school NASCAR race fans kind of race, I think, which is good. Oh, I'm always here for that. Throw me a little bit of strategy in my nASCAR race. I'm a happy camper.
[01:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. But let's get it over with and get to the brickyard.
[01:09:35] Speaker A: Hell, yeah.
Oh, shoot, man. Well, well, I think that's all we have about the Chicago street course. When it's only 127 miles long, there's only so much you know how to talk about.
[01:09:47] Speaker B: Yep. That's a fact.
[01:09:48] Speaker A: So just make sure that if you're driving around Chicago, watch out for big piles of tires. There's usually a concrete wall right behind them.
Gotta make sure you're avoiding those. Yeah, absolutely.
[01:10:00] Speaker B: All right. Well, you can find me on all the socials. Dawson Edwards music.
Raise, rowdy. Nikki T. Matt Burrell.
[01:10:09] Speaker A: Raise.
[01:10:09] Speaker B: Rowdy. Raise rowdy. Racing. Find all those.
[01:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you can find me at Caleb Con, Rowdy and anywhere but Chicago. I am not going over there. I have nothing to protest. Life is good.
I'm just gonna stick with my normal old southeast hangouts, like, pretty much in my own backyard because I'm tired of going.
[01:10:30] Speaker B: Alabama.
[01:10:31] Speaker A: Fort Payne, Alabama. Yeah, that. That's. That's a good enough place to hang out in, I reckon.
All right, y'all. Well, thanks for watching. We appreciate. Thanks for listening. We appreciate it. And let's see how pocono goes, y'all. Brandy, we wish you luck on your picks. We gave you every single race car driver in the entire field, so it's really up to you at this point. It's all may lots be ever in your favorite.
[01:10:53] Speaker B: See y'all.
[01:10:54] Speaker A: See y'all.
[01:10:57] Speaker B: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black it ain't got a big white number three turn it left around a track but you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away these good years can't handle dirt don't need no curves with banks what I like in horses, I make up with four by four I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door checkers records my rifle tapered on the gas I'm making my way to you, girl Hardby.
