Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is Rage Rowdy racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Morning, beautiful people.
[00:00:15] Speaker C: Let's go.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: Come on. Now with it. I got the right hat on and everything. It's signed by your race winner, Ryan Blaney. Let's go.
Hell yes. We go into the championship for fuck Kyle Larson. Go to hell. We win in a championship.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: My favorite part about this, just right off the rip, me and Caleb just tested levels and we get the level right, and you're talking normal, and then you just fucking scream like a idiot right when we start. And then it's just redlining everything over here. It's like blowing my eardrums out.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Oh, hell yeah. All right, I'll turn me down just a little bit so I can help you out here.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: There we go.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: Oh, man, that's hilarious. I'm sorry. I'm a little pumped up. It's a good weekend to be a Blaney fan. We needed this as a people.
[00:01:08] Speaker D: It's been a good couple few weeks for a Blaney.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: It really has been, man. It's been the highlight of my life. I mean, we've going through all this house fire nonsense and it just being exhausting as hell. The one bright spot is every Sunday I have a chance to win again. And that's just nice. I mean, even as a Blany fan, you haven't seen that in months. So let's go.
[00:01:28] Speaker D: Two years?
Yeah.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Since that three win.
[00:01:32] Speaker D: It's been two years since he's been regularly up front.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: Then here we are having a great damn season.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: And this season, he didn't run great all year till the end, and then now he's top five every week.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: If you're going to peak, peak when it counts.
[00:01:47] Speaker D: I agree with that.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: Something Denny Hamlin could stand to.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: He's just the I've said it this exact thing on this podcast before, but.
[00:02:01] Speaker D: He just doesn't come through in big moments, Denny.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: He's like the Atlanta Falcons.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: I mean, I will say it's a hard sport.
You're never going to change that. It is a very difficult sport. But man, when you've had how many years, like, what, 1617 years going at it? It's like, damn, how much longer can you keep going without getting one? I mean, if you're going to run up front all the time, I feel like you're bound to get one eventually. But that's the tough part about this playoff format. You can be a damn good race car driver and I'll finish it anyway.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: It cracks me up, though, because Denny talks about this whole championship thing like it's a new thing. And I kind of saw a post yesterday talking about this. It's like, this isn't new anymore, man.
This is NASCAR now.
[00:02:54] Speaker D: We're ten years into this.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: Denny only raced the other one from.
[00:02:57] Speaker D: Like, six only like six years.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: He only raced in other championship format. And the only format he's ever been in was the Chase, which in my opinion, was the best one. The top ten drivers for ten weeks just go at it. But still, this whole Final Four thing.
[00:03:13] Speaker D: Has been going on for ten years now.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:19] Speaker D: I don't know.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: This is new NASCAR. It's either adapt and get over it, or you're just going to be a.
[00:03:26] Speaker D: Sad, stuck in the past human.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's tough, man.
You're right. You got to accept the reality the way that it is. He's made it to the Final Four before, too, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with the playoff format. He's obviously exceeded at it. It's just tough when you come down to one race. I mean, anything could happen. It's great for your underdog, it just sucks for your overdogs. That come in with the mentality of I've had the best season and I could lose it right here. And it's like, well, welcome to it. It just is what it is. This is the playoff format that you have and until it changes, you can't keep complaining about and he I'm here for it.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: My favorite thing to look at is those Winston Cup points.
[00:04:11] Speaker D: Is Byron passed him, I think last week.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Last week when he blew out.
[00:04:19] Speaker D: He's three points behind Byron right now.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: I know that doesn't matter, but it's still fun to look at.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: It doesn't matter, but yeah, it gives you an idea that if we were working off of an actual point system, which granted, as soon as the regular season ends, it's an invalid point. I mean, everybody's racing differently than they would have. Your finishes are different based off of going for points and going for wins like they are now. But it doesn't make it any less fun to watch it because you can just sit there and watch and know, man, it would be a lot of fun. Sometimes you're going to have that Max Verstappen wins at six races before the end of the season. Then we're just really racing for second thing. Go on. Or you could have it go all the way down to the last race and it's super close and technically four guys could get it like it was what was that, 1990 219, 93 all over again?
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the thing, you could go either way. And there were years where it was like the person would win the championship. I mean, it happened enough when I was a kid, I remember guys getting the championship a couple of weeks before it ever even happened. Or like you go into the last race and all you got to do is start your car. If you start the race, you're good. And then now I've seen it too.
There's been the year and then the only time this has ever happened, but when the Chase started, you had the year that Tony Stewart and Carl Edwards tied for the points and the tiebreaker goes to Tony because he won the race, but it doesn't get any closer than that. And then you've had times where even with the reset ten races back in the day from 2004 to 2014, when Jimmy Johnson would still destroy everybody and win six of the last ten races, and he would win it by 100 points at the end.
[00:06:11] Speaker D: It doesn't matter if they reset them or not.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
No matter what, it's fun in a certain way. This gives you the anxiety of every race matters, and those every three races is a major turning point where your driver could be eliminated or move forward, and this could make or break your entire season how this one race plays out.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: So it has its own things that are fun, and it's come to grow on me a little bit. I think I'd still like to see the point situation be the way it goes because it just changes up that you can have a bad race at a bad time and it still sucks, but it's at least not going to tank your whole season. I mean, Denny Hamlin doesn't break that searing and turned two at Homestead last week, and he's in your final.
So that's just it sucks to see that one thing happened. Then again, if you go back to the points, you could probably do the same thing, but no matter what, it's just you got to take it for what it is. You got to race it the way that it's set up and you can't complain about it, and you just got to go out there and succeed.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it blows for me as a driver, if I lost by he's out by like, six points or whatever, I would go back to Homestead, obviously, that's six points out the door. I would go back to the Coke 600 when Chase right hooks him in the wall, that race out the door, finished dead last. So you could literally just take those races and him finish six spots in front of where he's at and he's in. You know what I mean?
[00:07:41] Speaker D: That's the craziest thing to me is.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: It literally came down to six positions on the track at some point during the season. And that's what I would I would replay those things in my mind all the time just thinking about, man, I could have got six spots here or there.
[00:07:57] Speaker D: It's like kind of when Denny pulls.
[00:08:00] Speaker B: That move and puts Ross in the wall super early in the year, this year, it's like, man, if he would have just finished where he was and.
[00:08:07] Speaker D: Not finished 25th fucking with him, he'd be in.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: I would just think about stuff like that that happened all throughout the season.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's lot to digest if you're a Hamlin truex Reddick or Busher fan.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Also, didn't he have like a 25 point penalty too, when he did that stuff?
[00:08:30] Speaker A: Probably, but luckily those positions don't necessarily carry forward into the playoffs since they have the reset of the points and all that. But there's a possibility that you would have been awarded stage points playoff points here and there from succeeding in winning a stage or winning a race that you were knocking yourself out of. I mean, I was thinking about it earlier before we got started today. If I was Hamlin, I'd be so heartbroken over the fact that there was so many times this year he's been running up front and he's always running second or third. It's like they bring the second or third fastest car to the racetrack every week, and every now and then they give it just enough to bounce it up into that first position. But how many times did he run second or third to William Byron Larson earlier this year?
[00:09:23] Speaker B: At the beginning of this year, Phoenix included, where we're going, Phoenix included, because Byron won that earlier this year and I think Larson finished second. But even yesterday, like you had at Martinsville, they ran great. And then the 24, he looked terrible yesterday, saw a Tweet, he's driving the pods, moving truck. I thought that was hilarious. That's hilarious, but obviously you can miss it. But those guys earlier this year, the 24, the five and the eleven were the three best. That's another reason we all was like, well, they're a locked for the four. And then you go through the year and then the 19 comes on and just has the hottest summer ever, where his average finish was probably fifth for a stretch of the whole summer. I mean, there was a good chunk, I'd say ten to 15 races. And then he comes in and I saw yesterday, his last eight, nine races with altogether 17.8 was his average finish. So it just ain't going to get the job done that's bad. But, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, that's how they were saying yesterday. The cars are running like 1.4 2nd different laps from first to dead last. It's like, oh my God, it doesn't get any more closer than that. So him bringing the third best car, is it talent, is the driver, is it whatever it may be. It's right there, it's right there, but.
[00:10:42] Speaker D: It'S just not over the top.
[00:10:45] Speaker B: It's not enough to get him over the hill.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he's got everything he needs to win a championship.
It all comes down to luck and execution. Both of those things are related, but completely separate from each other. And only one do you have control of. And that's just part of the game you play. Whenever you're racing at this high of a level, execution is going to get you pretty damn far. But luck is going to be that extra little bit that you need to bounce back from it. And right there, what Denny really needed was Willie B to have a problem or Blaney to have a problem. And unfortunately, the luck just happened to fall on Blaney's end and Willie B just happened to be just good enough to edge his way through.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah, like they said, you had to finish 18th. And that's what he did.
[00:11:34] Speaker D: He finished 18th.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: Yes.
I didn't get a chance to watch any of the race yesterday for everybody. Listen, I had to watch it this morning. We ended up going to the mall and buying outfits to go take engagement pictures yesterday. So we were busy all day long. So I got up early this morning when Allison left the house and just turned on the race and watched it all the way from start to finish. And so it's all fresh on my mind and just listening to Rudy fugal holly be hollering him, dude.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: Just fucking give him he was coaching him like he was coaching, but you.
[00:12:10] Speaker D: Could tell it was desperate.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Rudy was like fired up. He had the anxiety. He was hollering what he was.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Stage one. He's already hollering at him, man. I know it sucks. I know it sucks. We're going to get through this. All I need you to do is just fight for me to stay on the lead lap. Just hold your position right here. Try to go get some points if you can. Doesn't get the points. All right. We got to do something with the setup. They do something with the setup and Byron's like, man, thank God you gave me something. I can work with a powerful change like, God. Dang. I can't imagine the level of anxiety. You come in there knowing that you're the one that stands to lose everything and the guys you need to beat are running one, two, and three right now in the racetrack. Oh, man, that's a lot.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: It cracked me up because I know what Rudy sounds like. I know what his voice sounds like. But he was hollering in such a tone when the race first started. Like you said at the beginning, they're playing the audio and I was like, who is that? I didn't know who that was. I couldn't tell who it was. I was like, that's got to be Rudy. But it didn't sound like him because he was so fired up and shit. I was like, holy shit.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: He's I can't imagine the level of stress on that pit box. The whole thing was probably shaking because his leg was bouncing the whole time.
[00:13:24] Speaker B: He's going to be doing the same damn thing next week.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. God, it's going to be a great race next week. I really think it is.
[00:13:32] Speaker D: I hope just I don't know what.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Tire they're bringing or what they're doing.
[00:13:38] Speaker D: For Phoenix, but Phoenix hasn't been known.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Even in the other car, hasn't just been known for great.
[00:13:47] Speaker D: Races.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: When I say great race, I'm just excited because this is my first time and obviously Blaney's first time ever making it in the Final Four.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: And that makes it way more fun.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: Obviously, this is something to fight I'm very excited for. I know you've experienced it with when you were a chase. Elliott was your biggest guy and then Larson comes in and he gets it, too.
You've seen this happen a couple of have. This is my first time in all of professional sports that I've ever had the team that I root for make it to the final anything. Technically, the Rangers made it to the series twice when I was younger. But I am not a baseball guy and they're there right now, so it's a good month for me, don't get me wrong, but I'm just not the biggest baseball fan in the world. I haven't watched anything but Braves games all year. When you were watching Say, we watched.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: A lot of baseball this year.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: We did.
[00:14:39] Speaker D: The Rangers.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: We watched a lot of baseball. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I'm just not into it the same way.
[00:14:44] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: So laney go into the final four is just really cool. It's an experience I've never had. I cannot wait for Sunday to come around. I do not want to go on this run that we're about to have with Travis. I just want to stay home, get absolutely plastered, watch every single one of these championship races and build up my excitement for the final four to come on Sunday.
[00:15:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: I just hope some crazy shit happens.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Really, me and you both. As long as it doesn't happen to the twelve or the five, man, because we got to duke it out to the end.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: I was texting Bud, he texted me yesterday. He was drinking beer, playing pool and watching a race in a bar and he we were all excited and whatnot. And I was like, hell, we get to watch the trucks and bush race on the bus. We'll get to all watch that together. And he's like, hell, yeah, it'll be cool.
[00:15:31] Speaker D: And I was like, hell, yeah.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: It is going to be a lot of fun because I can't remember what we did last year for the championship race for the first two, the trucks and the Xfinity. I feel like we were working again for those two.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure we were working. Wherever it was, I don't think we were off.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: We ended up having the party at our house for the championship, though. That was a lot of fun.
[00:15:54] Speaker D: Yeah. Kayla, you've done that a have.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: I try to do it every single year. I think this is going to be.
[00:16:00] Speaker D: The first year in what, like three.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: Four years that I'm probably not going to be able to host anything because of, obviously, the situation we're going through. I'm disappointed. We always have a good time.
[00:16:13] Speaker B: You can tell everybody about the coming in and the clipboard and doing the final four and back. You went all out. I mean, Caleb probably spent the year I won it. So the year Chase won the title, 2020 I picked. Caleb would do a thing where you pick the final order of the finishing four, like the top endpoint to how they roll.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Yeah, you just break it down every different way that they could finish. And the first people to show up get to pick their finishing order. And so everybody would as they walk in the door, I'd be like, pick a finishing order. And everybody would sign their name below one. And I put together this big pack of nonsense for everybody. We probably had, what, like 1520 people over at your place?
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: Then it was a ton of guys. And I had like a blaney diecast holler, a couple of diecast cars.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: It was a couple of haulers, a couple of cars.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: It was like a couple of haulers.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Couple cars, and a bottle of Jack Daniels.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And that was the prize for winning. If you picked the correct finishing order.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: Well over $100 worth of stuff.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: It was awesome. Everybody was super pumped about it. Everybody was watching and going crazy. It was a ton of fun. We cooked a shitload of food. So it's been a tradition to do that. And it's just always been something we try to do every time. And if it wasn't for this house fire, I'd definitely be having it again. Just trying to get everybody to come down and watch the final race of the season. Because even if you're not a NASCAR fan, you can come in and watch a championship race and have a good time of it.
[00:17:50] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: And I try to give you someone.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: To cheer for, but I can't remember what we did last year. We lived together last year, didn't we?
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah, we had everybody over. We did the same thing. Had everybody over. I don't think I had very much of a prize pack going on. We just had a lot of people come. Liam brought his oculus.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Yes, I remember we played it.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: We were playing that. And we just had a good few people come down and we all hung out, cooked a bunch of food, and drank a bunch of beer.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Again, I remember there was the last championship Kyle Bush won. Caleb was living in Murphysboro. I only remember this because it pops up in my memories every single year. But we were down in Murphysboro, same deal. A bunch of people came, we do the same thing, pick the winners and all this. And we had bought a ton of beer. We cooked a ton of food. And I had this post. I was like, dude, we drank all this beer and ate all this food to watch Kyle Bush dominate this race. I was like, yeah, sucks.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: Homestead was a boring racetrack. Nobody could pass there.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: I posted that and it pops up every year. That's probably 2018 when he won that.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Second title, because it was true X. And then it was Kyle Bush. Logano chase elliott. Kyle Larson Legano. And this year is going to be Blaney. I'm just calling it right now.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: 21. I don't remember what we did in 21.
[00:19:13] Speaker D: Either.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: That was cool. 21 was the year that you had. The Braves won the World Series. The Dogs won the national title, and Larson comes in and wins the title.
For me, that was like, that's as good as it gets. I actually have the tattoo that I'm drawn up. I've had it forever, but I still want to get that on my thigh of all three of those, like, winning it in 2021 champions.
[00:19:36] Speaker D: I don't know.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: It's a cool thing. It does give it that game seven feeling, and it does make it exciting.
[00:19:45] Speaker D: But it's also nerve wracking because I.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Said this while ago and I texted you, but it's like at Phoenix, the race is 312 laps, which is nothing. Nothing. One of the shortest races of the year.
[00:19:56] Speaker D: And if one thing goes wrong, one.
[00:19:59] Speaker B: Single thing, you speed on pit road.
Something as simple as a jack phone, like happened to True X yesterday. You do that and your race is over. I mean, your championship is thrown out.
[00:20:10] Speaker D: The window pretty much immediately.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it really is. I mean, the only good part about it is that all the non playoff guys I don't know what they say in the driver's meeting every year at Phoenix, but they must say it with a lot of emphasis because all of those guys will race the final four with so much respect, it's almost laughable if you can't finish top four.
If you're one of the top four and you do not finish even in the top ten, much less the top five, I mean, if you can't manage to get a good position out of that race with everyone racing you the way that they do the final four, it's embarrassing. Or you just got a slow car, you just missed the set up, or something happened because it is crazy. So at least you don't have to worry as much about those other guys.
[00:21:04] Speaker D: But also, this is.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: All set up for you. All you got to do is go out there and execute and then just be the fastest of four. Man, it is nerve wracking.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: This is my own idea about this too, but I don't think I'd be willing to put money down on this. I don't think NASCAR techs those cars the same way they tech them all year long, and I do not think they would let a champion do all of that stuff and then disqualify them after the race. I think the reason they are so fast is because all those cars are cheated up way more than they are all year.
And those four are just they do race them easier, for sure. They let them go by because you don't want to be the guy that messes up a championship guy's race at the playoffs. You'd probably be hated by the fan base, probably.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: And you don't want to fight a pit crew member. I promise that. I promise you that. And they will come down on you.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: So between those two things, yeah, they.
[00:22:05] Speaker D: Pretty much just run up front.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: Those four run up front. And then last year, I think, is one of the only times I can.
[00:22:13] Speaker D: Remember one of the final four guys.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: Wrecking, because Chase and Chastain got into it on that restart and he sent him down the inside wall and it wrecked him.
[00:22:22] Speaker D: But other than that, okay, now I'm.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Talking about Phoenix homestead. I remember Rex. I do remember Rex, obviously, at Carl Edwards and all that, but this is new NASCAR, so we don't think about homestead anymore. We just think about Phoenix.
I don't remember a final four guy.
[00:22:38] Speaker D: Wrecking at Phoenix ever, except Chastain wrecking Elliot last year.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: It pretty much comes down to.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: Say the winner of the race is going to be a guy in the final four. It's never not happened. So we're ten years in, it's never not happened. So there's a good chance the winner.
[00:22:58] Speaker D: Is going to win the race and the title.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I was even telling you that right as we were starting this podcast when we got down to the betting tips. And I'm just going to go ahead and drop that little nugget right here. If you're betting on this race and you bet anyone that's not a top four, final four driver to win it, you are throwing money into a fireplace. No reason.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: Unless you put money on the four car and they let him cheat his car up, too. Since he's the Phoenix King and they let him win his last race, I.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Wouldn'T even want to complicate it that much. I would say just put money on your final four. That's all you got to do. Put something on one of those guys and you have a 25% chance of winning that bet.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: I'm going to make it even more simple and just say put money on your favorite and go from there.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah, for real.
So, looking a little bit forward to Phoenix. We'll get back to Martinsville. I mean, we're already on it and it's championship.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: We haven't spoke about Martinsville once. I don't think we'll get back to.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: It at some point and talk about it. But, I mean, obviously we got the championship coming up, so that's what everybody's excited about. That's what everybody's talking about. We were just looking up finishing stats for the four drivers and trying to kind of figure out who our favorites are. And without any doubt in my mind, your two favorites. And it's just hilarious that it's between me and you are Kyle Larson and Ryan Blaney. Blaney's finished runner up the last two races. He hasn't finished, you said outside the top ten and nine races, Phoenix races, not even all talking about championship races, just anytime we're at Phoenix, he is damn good there.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: Out of ten races, he's finished in the top ten, no, nine times. And Larson out of ten races, finished.
[00:24:36] Speaker D: Top ten eight times.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And that difference, I guarantee you, is not for anything Kyle Larson did. It was that one race, I think it was like a 26th place finish or something like that, that he had coming 34th. There it is.
For the spring race in 2022.
Definitely an issue happened there. Engine expired. So out of all the races he's had the last ten, the only one time that he hasn't finished top ten was because the car gave out. So that tells you everything you need to know about Larson's chances there. And then if you look at William Byron at Phoenix, he's a little bit more wishy washy. A lot of finishes in the top ten, and he's had some success there. No wins at all, but if you're looking at just sheer consistency, he just doesn't quite match up with Blaney or Larson. His last few finishes, I'd said that wrong. He did have that win earlier in the spring.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: Yeah, he won this year.
[00:25:41] Speaker A: His finishes before that, 6th place, 18th, 17th, eigth, 9th, 10th, 17th, and so on. He's a 50 50 to hit your top ten outside of the one win that he's had. So dangerous for the fact that he knows how to win there, but not so dangerous for the fact that he could also go out there and just finish barely in the top 20.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: The only thing I give the 24 a nod to is this year he has been a different 24. It's not the same 24 that's been we've never seen this William Byron before, ever.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: I'll give you that.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: He's won, what, five races? I think six races, which is an.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Unbelievable season in this next generation era of NASCAR.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: I don't know that stat, so I'm not going to say it, but he's had an incredible year, so I'll give a nod to him because of that.
If the ₩24 at Phoenix, I can't say I'd be surprised, because one's already happened into the year they've had. I would be surprised if Bell won. I would be surprised if he won.
[00:26:52] Speaker D: I didn't have Bell even in here.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: Like I said, Bell gets hot at the right times, but even last year, he didn't look great at Phoenix, so we'll see.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Yeah, but I don't his last seven finishes, 6th, 10th, 26th, 9th, 9th, 17th, 24th, no top fives. Only three, four top tens and three races that were just terrible, honestly, for.
[00:27:24] Speaker B: Joe GIBS equipment, but he's a guy.
[00:27:26] Speaker D: That I don't think has really ever been consistent, like Bell Ransom races and.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Won some races where he dominated in.
[00:27:35] Speaker D: The car, everything went right and he.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Just killed it, you know what I mean? And then he has some races where he literally goes out and runs 24th, and that's just where they run all day.
[00:27:44] Speaker D: They don't even talk about him.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: So he's kind of been that way.
[00:27:49] Speaker D: In his whole cup career.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Now, obviously, he really Xfinity, that kid. Won every single weekend. But in cup, it's been very all in or all not in.
[00:28:00] Speaker D: It just depends on the weekend. Yeah.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: And you can use the excuse of, well, cup series is hard on one hand. Yes, cup series is hard, and it's tough to be consistent, but I just don't understand.
I want to know what goes on in the 20 garage from the moment that the playoffs start to get him to the Final Four. How many years in a row is this? Two years in a row.
[00:28:25] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: He's the only driver. Granted, it's only two years into this, but in the next gen he's the only guy that's made it both times.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And he probably I mean, I would love to see a stat put up if somebody could ever really go through and figure this out. The number of minutes of time each individual driver has by the end of the year. I guarantee you Christopher Bell is in the top four these last two years, but probably has the least amount of airtime out of all of the playoff drivers, including the ones that are down in the 16th to 14th positions, because they get talked about a ton when the bubble comes around for cut offs. I bet you Christopher Bell doesn't even get into the top ten of airtime for drivers because he just never gets talked about. He doesn't make waves, he doesn't drive up front consistently, and the one times that he does drive up front consistently, it's such a blowout that it's not interesting to talk about the leaders, so they talk about everybody else going on. It's just a strange situation to be Christopher Bell in Joe Gibbs equipment, somehow making it to the Final Four, beating out teammates of Denny Hamlin and Martin Truex to get there. It just blows my mind every year that he gets all the way as far as he does.
[00:29:44] Speaker D: There is 100%, I know we said.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: This last week, there's 100% something about the way the playoffs are laid out and the way that racetracks fall into his wheelhouse. And it's true. That is it.
That is for sure a fact. The tracks are just his type of tracks. Like, drivers have their tracks, and his tracks happen to be laid out perfectly where there's one or two in each.
Like a guy like Larson, it's happened.
[00:30:15] Speaker D: To him multiple times before, but him.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: Trying to get to that round with Talladega and stuff, it's damn near impossible. And then, like we've said, every time.
[00:30:23] Speaker D: He'S done that, he makes it till.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: To the but like, sometimes you get three tracks in a row that just don't fit in the wheelhouse. I know we talked about that really hardcore at the beginning of the playoffs, like Michael McDowell, Busher and all.
Like I said, that round doesn't fit Larson's, and then this round doesn't fit this person or whatever.
[00:30:46] Speaker D: It just seems that Bells fit and.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: That he has a couple through each.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Spot that fit, it's possible to make it through, like you said, with one racetrack being your bad racetrack in every round. As long as you can be mediocre, as long as you can be about 16th to 10th there. Yeah, you'll point your way through for the rest of them. Or you go out and you win the second race of the round and you don't even have to worry about that last one like you did last week at Homestead. I mean, just find your moment and know which tracks to circle and know which tracks need the extra little bit of help. But you're not necessarily looking for a it's.
Christopher Bell is just the most disappointing Final Four member.
If you're a Christopher Bell fan, I'm not going to apologize. I don't have any love for the man.
I don't get it. I don't get how he ends up here every time. And I guarantee you he's not going to I can say this with 75% chance of being right, so it kind of leans in my favor, but I can guarantee you he's not going to win this championship. And even if he did, I'd be so disappointed in that, because what a boring championship, to be honest, at least whenever ligando won it with a mediocre season, he's Legano. But when Bell goes out and does it's like, man, a mediocre season and a mediocre driver gets the championship. And he can hate me all he wants, but it just feels that way about him. He just doesn't make the headlines. And I'm cheering for anyone but Seabelle.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: He's one of those guys that they don't boo or cheer when he gets introduced. You don't really see anybody at the racetrack with a 20 shirt on that doesn't say Tony Stewart.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it doesn't say Tony Stewart. Big shoes to fill there.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: So yeah, I mean, that's just what.
[00:32:37] Speaker D: Bell I don't know, it's just where.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: He'S fallen into in his but, uh but then you go they just on that note for a second, they talk know Busher. You never saw anybody with a Busher shirt on until this year. He goes out and wins three races in five weekends, and you go to the damn racetrack. Specifically, we go to Talladega, and there's more RFK and Busher and Kezzalowski stuff.
[00:33:04] Speaker D: There than I've seen in ten years at the racetrack.
You win a couple of races, and that'll change.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: And I know Bell's won a couple.
[00:33:14] Speaker D: Of races, but I don't know.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Just something about it, I guess. I don't know.
[00:33:20] Speaker D: People aren't attached, I guess.
[00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: Bell used to have the dirt track racing community behind him 100%, and then.
[00:33:28] Speaker D: Just the way Larson does, but then him and Larson got into it.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah. When they got into it so many times, and it's kind of known they respect each other, but they're not big.
[00:33:38] Speaker D: Fans of each other.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: They're definitely not, like, drinking beer on the weekends.
[00:33:42] Speaker D: So you got that.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: And then your team owner pretty much says publicly, fuck dirt track racing.
People did not take well to that. So that was another thing that hurt him pretty.
[00:33:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:54] Speaker A: It's it's hard to win fans when you're alienating your core fan base. It's like, I don't know, maybe NASCAR.
[00:34:03] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: It's like, learn a little bit of a lesson, man. You cannot alienate the people that got you there in an effort to win over the people that didn't. There's just never going to work. That, uh so here's a fun question for you. If you look at all of the final four going into Phoenix, I want to hear your biggest reason why you think each of them will win it and your biggest reason why each of them won't win it, including Kyle Larson. So starting out with let's start out with Christopher Bell. Why will he win this race and why won't he win this race?
[00:34:40] Speaker B: Why he will. I have a hard time. I'm with you. I don't think Bell wins this race.
[00:34:47] Speaker D: But I could see him saying them.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Just being that team that was like, fuck last week. Let's put everything we got into this Phoenix car. Let's work on Phoenix. Let's do know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's all they're doing. So I could see him winning because of that. And I could see him not winning because I don't think he'll win. I think he'll get outrun by the other three.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I'm with you on that. I think Christopher Bell, if he wins this race, it's because he does like he always does, and he goes out there and dominates it. So if he goes out and qualifies in the front row, let's just say at least front row or second row, if he goes out there and qualifies like that and can manage to stay up front all day long, I think he can go out there and do it. But that is only if they put the car underneath him, just like you said.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: If I'm I don't want to get the poll because that means I'm going to finish about 17th.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Statistically, yes, that's also a good point. But I think you're very right. If he wins, it's because the crew chief I hate to say this, because I know drivers probably hate to hear this, but if he wins, it's because the crew chief and if he loses it, it's because of the driver.
[00:35:53] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: That's the way I look at it. I mean, possibility of something going wrong with a car is still there for him to lose it, but I think he's statistically not good enough at Phoenix to outrun the other four or the other.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: Especially with the stats that alone Blaney and Larson have.
[00:36:11] Speaker D: Yeah.
Willie B. The reason I could see him winning.
[00:36:16] Speaker B: It is because what I just said while ago, they're having the best year.
[00:36:18] Speaker D: They have had ever and he won here just ten months ago.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: And the reason I could not is.
[00:36:26] Speaker D: Because he's going up against Larson and Blaney, who are statistically possibly the two.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Best other than Kevin Harvick at Phoenix as of late. Their stats blow Harvick's out of the water, obviously. I know Harvick has like twelve wins at Phoenix over the last 20 years.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Which is incredible, but it is yeah, I'm with you. The 24 wins it off Mojo alone, which is so funny to say about Willie B because also the reason I'm going to say he doesn't win it is because he doesn't have the Championship Mojo to he's. He's a good guy, great race car driver, has really proved himself this year. But if you get him down into a position of having him beat and bang for the win, I think if you put him and Kyle Larson in a cage match of trying to outrun each other on a late race restart, that's almost guaranteed to happen at Phoenix. You're just going to see the five punt, the 24 out of the way, and the 24 trying to be too respectful. I think they win it off Mojo or lose it out of politeness in a kind of a way.
Moving up to Kyle Larson. Why does he win it? Why does he lose it?
[00:37:43] Speaker B: He wins it because he's the most.
[00:37:44] Speaker D: Talented driver in the field.
[00:37:47] Speaker B: He loses.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: What an apologist. What a Kyle Larson apologist we got.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Loses because he loses races on his own, from his own doing more than.
[00:38:00] Speaker D: Any other driver possibly ever.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Literally. Kyle Larson. This is the win and lose statement. Checkers are records. He's either going to win it or he's going to lose it in dramatic fashion.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, he has as many he is tied Kevin Harvick for DNFs, except Kevin Harvick has like 700 more starts.
[00:38:18] Speaker D: Than Kyle Larson has. Yeah, that just happened after last week.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: With that tire barrel thing.
I've heard a lot of people talk about this this week specifically, obviously from what happened at Homestead, and I just do agree with it. The dude, I mean, he is so.
[00:38:36] Speaker D: Talented that he puts his car in.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Places that he thinks he can do whatever with that car, which I would much rather have a driver that's boss to the walls and confident than not. But he puts his car in situations that sometimes that the car can't handle that gets out from under him and.
[00:38:58] Speaker D: Does this, does that.
[00:39:02] Speaker B: And it's 100% coming from a dirt track racing guy who is typically only racing 50 laps a race. There's no just like getting through it in dirt racing, you are balls to the walls from the drop of the flag. So that's the way Larson runs all the time.
[00:39:17] Speaker D: He's ran that way since he was forever.
[00:39:20] Speaker B: When Ganassi is the same way.
The first thing he said when he won at Homestead in that Vavilene car last year when we were in Charlote, actually, me and you were I don't know why I remember this, but we're at that bojangles arena.
[00:39:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:34] Speaker D: Me and you were watching the race.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: He gets out of the car and.
[00:39:37] Speaker D: He was like, finally we have a.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: Car tough enough that I can win at Homestead. Because what he's saying by that was he is like, I think, maybe the all time leader at Homestead lapse lead, but he gets in the wall and those cars, the sheet metal and the other cars would cut a tire, mess something up. He couldn't do it. He couldn't run off the wall. Obviously, we've seen these cars. You can hit them head on in.
[00:40:02] Speaker D: A pack of barrels, they don't even.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: Look like you hit anything. So he can lean on the car.
[00:40:07] Speaker D: Up against the wall and do his thing.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: You know what that's that quote is to a T who Kyle Larson is.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: It is the same reason he wins the race. Is the same reason he loses the race, because he's going to race as hard as physically possible.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: And that's what I'm saying. If you put the five on the 24, honestly, a lot of times the five in anyone. I mean, you've seen it with Kyle Bush, you've seen it with all sorts of different drivers across the years. You put Kyle Larson up against somebody for the win, and Kyle is going to do everything he can to get that win. The one thing I will say, though, is he is a respectful race car driver. He is not going to absolutely obliterate you and right, you in the wall. Exactly.
[00:40:49] Speaker D: What?
[00:40:49] Speaker A: I will lean on you as hard as he possibly can without wrecking you.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: He will put you in a bad spot.
There's an old dirt track, uh, here in Rome. His name's David Beam. He used to say, he's like, I'll wreck you and make you think you wrecked a way that is not like I put the bumper to you and put you in the wall. That is, I gave you a half lane less coming out of turn two, or I put your car in a spot going into the corner that I knew you couldn't handle. Stuff like that. And that is Larson's way of bumping and banging. And like what you said about him and the 24, he's not just going to go in there and punt the.
[00:41:30] Speaker D: 24 at the track.
[00:41:32] Speaker B: He will go in there on the inside of the 24 and use eight.
[00:41:34] Speaker D: Tires instead of four tires.
[00:41:36] Speaker A: He will. And it'll be up to the 24 to figure out what to do about that. And if you get too angry, he's too fast for you to come back and do anything back to him.
Great way to put it. He wins it or loses it off of his own accord, I agree with you. As long as Cliff Daniels gives him a good race car and let's be honest, I haven't seen him really give him a terrible race car, except for maybe once or twice a year. I mean, he'll give him a bad car once or twice a year, tops. Some guys, they'll get a bad race car about 25% of the time.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Even things like, though at Wilkesboro, just one last thing with Larson and Cliff Daniels, he comes out there and there's only like he's running dead last. The car is running, the car is terrible. And they go in the pits and we talked about rub some magic dust on it, whatever.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: He wades the magic wand like DW said.
[00:42:26] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: And he comes back out, dude, and.
[00:42:27] Speaker D: He waxes the like, I don't can.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: They can fix it. They can figure it just it's such a short track and a short race.
That's interesting.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: And it plays into Kyle's wheelhouse. Like you said, he's used to running these short sprint. This everything stacks up in his favor, his stats.
[00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah, if he went to the race and all that, he'll be all right.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: Just like I told you at Homestead, Larson's got to beat Larson.
That's kind of what the other three are banking on.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: That's exactly right.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: And then moving on for our last one, blaney, why does he win it and why does he lose it?
[00:43:10] Speaker B: Blaney, statistically, over the last five, six.
[00:43:15] Speaker D: Years, I guess, probably has the best stats at Phoenix.
[00:43:19] Speaker B: So not that he's won, but I.
[00:43:21] Speaker D: Mean, he's running basically top five every.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: Race runner up finishes to the champion.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:28] Speaker D: So that's why he wins, because obviously this is perfect.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: I mean, Phoenix fits his wheelhouse. I mean, Phoenix is what apparently that's his track, you know what I mean?
[00:43:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:42] Speaker B: Just seeing Blaney win yesterday gives me confidence for Blaney.
Even though he ran incredible at the 600, don't get me wrong, but he was lots out yesterday. I mean, lots out.
He didn't fuck up.
He had the eleven giving him the bumper. He's brake checking.
He had a plenty of reasons he could have wrecked yesterday. Him and Reddit get into it. He could have messed up and not won that race yesterday. But they were lights him, you know, the car, the driver, everything. So that's why he can win Phoenix.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: The reason he doesn't win Phoenix is because just as a here, as of recent, the last five weeks, they've been awesome.
But as a whole, he's had a very up and down year. It hasn't been know, we got people calling in the DBC talking about they're wanting to drown themselves in a hot tub. That's how bad the Blaney fans were this year.
[00:44:55] Speaker D: So that would be why he doesn't.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: I mean, what if he come out and they have a just dog shit car and he qualifies 17th and runs there all race? So that's my reasoning for Blaney, why he does and why he doesn't.
[00:45:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm very similar, but just in different words. I think he wins it because he got hot at the right time, and I think he loses it because he had to get hot.
I mean, that's the thing.
You have to take the rest of the season into account. Did they find something? What did they find? Why did the other Penske drivers not get that same so? Is it something that his team found? Is it information that he was shared by someone else at Ford that didn't go to the rest of Penske?
[00:45:40] Speaker B: Is it in that shock?
[00:45:42] Speaker A: Is it in that shock? It could be a thousand different things. But the thing is, if you look at the rest of the season, he loses it because he drives a Ford.
[00:45:51] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: And he wins it because he's just hot at the right time. And that's the tough part.
How long does it last? Does it have one more race in it? Does this hot streak he's on have one final race? Do I have to spend another 150 $60 on a championship diecast next week? All hinges on how good does that race car show up to the track? I think this is where the crew chief and the engineers and the race team is going to have to take everything that they've learned over these last eight weeks and throw all of it into that car. So I'm with you. He wins it because he's suddenly there and his consistency has gone up. I mean, you're very right. I've seen so many races where Blaney runs up front and loses it within the last 50, 60 laps, trying too hard or getting nervous or doing something. It all seems to fall apart right there at the end. Bad pit stops, different things have always come and made him fall short of the moment in an individual race.
[00:47:00] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: Has he matured enough that when a championship is on the line, not just the win of the race, but a championship is on the line, has he matured to the point where he can overcome that? We're going to find out in about six more days, so I'm with you.
It's real fun to look at all these different drivers and see the strengths and the weaknesses that they bring to the table. And you couldn't talk about four more different drivers coming up through here. The only thing you're missing is somebody like a Kyle Bush with that badass attitude that walks in there ready to fuck everybody up. Yeah, but you got a great set of drivers here to pick from.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: There's not an old veteran in the field. Larson's the 31, and he's the oldest. It's the youngest average age for a playoff final four we've had so far. So in ten years, that's what we've got.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: Absolutely wild. So let's see what the young guys are made of. I mean, you got to go out there and win at a racetrack that's consistently been about track position and how you execute. So let's see what happens. Pit road is the only thing making me nervous right now and we're not even to the race yet.
[00:48:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, pit road is going.
[00:48:18] Speaker D: To makes that makes or breaks this.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Whole race for everybody, you know what I mean? That's what I was saying earlier. It's just a short race, one little hiccup on pit road and your not career, but your championship hopes are done.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it just happened to Martin Truex at Martinsville, 0.2 miles an hour or whatever it was. Tiny little margin of error.
He might have advanced through, but could he have been still eliminated? Definitely a good shot, but he could have made it through had he not gone 0.2 miles an hour too fast on one tiny little section of pit road.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0.2 miles an hour can ruin your whole season.
[00:49:01] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: After 30 something races and making it all the way through the challenge, that is the playoffs. You're going to get there, you got to execute. We'll see what happens. And that's the thing that's probably going to keep me up at night until Monday morning.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: We've talked this whole podcast for 50 minutes about Phoenix.
One thing I want to point out about Martinsville, I want to give props to.
They're saying, I don't know if it's whoever the guy is that convinced them to run that different tire this weekend at Martinsville. Yeah, it didn't fix everything, but man.
[00:49:44] Speaker D: It made it not suck absolute ass.
[00:49:47] Speaker B: And that was good. And I see you got on here 80% on Jeff Gluck's poll. Yes. I mean, literally, the last one was 37%. Yes. Which was the lowest of all the season.
[00:49:59] Speaker A: That was the worst race all season, according to the fans.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: So that's a drastic change. And the only thing that changed was those tires. So props to that. They talked about a little bit on the broadcast.
I can't go into exactly all the changes it made because I don't really know. They're talking about how the actual tread on the tire was thicker and softer and made it like grippier and it got tore apart better and stuff. And I mean, that's what we've been wanting. And for a softer tire, if that's what it takes is to get more.
[00:50:37] Speaker D: Tread, then that's what we need.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: That's actually what happened to the pace car. There was so much rubber on the track, the tires picked it up on the pace car and it ripped the wiring harness out from under the car because there was so much rubber on the I saw pictures of it on Twitter.
That was cool. I mean, that's crazy that there was that much rubber laying down and when there's that much hot, greasy rubber on.
[00:51:03] Speaker D: The track, that's going to make for good racing.
[00:51:06] Speaker A: And it did.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Props to whoever's decision that was to get that right. That was cool. That helped out wasn't the best martinsville race ever.
[00:51:17] Speaker D: No. But was it a good martinsville race?
[00:51:23] Speaker B: Yes, it 100% was a good race.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. Like you said, props to goodyear for finally giving us something that we can enjoy, which is a soft tire that did degrade that caused a difference in lap time. If you took tires or if you didn't, it laid down rubber on the track. It got people loose or tight when they hit it. There was build up of rubber in the middle of it. I mean, it just had everything that you needed a tire to do at martinsville. It did a lot of it. I'm not going to say it's still perfect, but at least we can finally start listening to what especially denny Hamlin's been telling us. Goodyear problems constantly. We got to fix those.
[00:52:00] Speaker D: And here we go.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: We made a huge swing at it and we got a solid in the.
[00:52:06] Speaker D: Part double on that.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: I'm here for it.
[00:52:10] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: As well was i. Let's talk about probably the biggest round up thing of the weekend.
[00:52:22] Speaker D: Let's introduce this first so hack of the week.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yes. The award no one wants but you got to earn the hard way over a season long battle with your teammate. What an idiot.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: I'm so confused and I don't know what the hell is going on at RCR. And what kind of turmoil is going on between austin hill and RC. And sheldon creed and andy petrie. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors but it all came out this weekend at the never. I've never seen like a team implode on itself and start calling people the stupidest people they've ever had work for the company. And having andy petrie who's like the president or whatever he does, vice president come in and say whatever he said to creed.
[00:53:16] Speaker A: And then creed goes rates his driver in front of god.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And creed goes, well, he hit me. You wouldn't say.
[00:53:24] Speaker D: Hack.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: I don't know who the award specifically goes to because there's a lot of hack action going on all around. Like just the way it was handled.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: I'm going to say it goes to Sheldon Creed, because he saw reason being not just for the on track incident, but imagine being a race car driver, racing for your team all year, making it all the way to the second last race in the playoffs and getting eliminated by only a couple points and the entire team gangs up on you, including the owner of the team himself. Richard childers comes out and is quoted as saying he is one of the stupidest drivers I've ever had run for.
Not that does not happen because of one incident on the track. That is a season full of stupidity. They've gotten into it multiple times. Austin hill and sheldon creed have had at least one actual wreck. I can't remember where it happened but it was a few weeks back.
They've had at least one actual wreck between the two of, and they wrecked each other.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: Creed wrecked Bristol, too.
[00:54:34] Speaker A: There it was. That was the one. There's been just multiple incidents where something has gone on, and your teammate gets signed to a multi year agreement to stay at the team in the same car, and you get booted out. Called the stupidest driver I've ever had work for you. Can't wait for you. Your teammate saying, I can't wait till you're not working here anymore. Andy Petrie's down there screaming at you. That tells me enough right there. Every single person has someone they're pointing a finger at, but it's not a Mexican standoff. It's a firing squad. Everyone's pointing at Sheldon creed.
[00:55:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Sheldon Creed is my hack of.
[00:55:09] Speaker D: The week because he tucks his ears into his hat.
[00:55:12] Speaker A: That's a great reason. He probably tucks his jeans into his boots, too.
[00:55:16] Speaker D: He probably wears short pants.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: He probably wears short pants.
Sheldon Creed. Me and Caleb been on this, like, fuck Sheldon Creed train for a while, honestly, all the way back to his.
[00:55:30] Speaker A: Truck days when he told Marcus Lamonus.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: That he was worth more than 15,000.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: Whatever, I'm worth more than $10,000. It's like, yeah, that may be true, but you're also running unsponsored, and you don't even get that $10,000.
You got to stand up for yourself and be prideful, but don't be so prideful that you throw away all money altogether.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So that we kind of since then have been on that train.
[00:55:55] Speaker D: It's interesting, dude.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: I know. His granddad's loaded. Like, he doesn't need sponsorship from what know. So also, another reason that Sheldon Creed can be a hack of the week is someone has so he's raced for children's for two years. This is his second year, and.
[00:56:16] Speaker A: He'S.
[00:56:16] Speaker B: Came so close to winning some of these races over the years, and someone had like, this he had this is what it is. Counter that he says that in his interviews. Like, he gets out of the car, and he stands the same way. He props up on the side of his car and says, it is what it is. And I don't think team owners really.
[00:56:36] Speaker D: Like to hear that either. You're not winning.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: You're not doing anything about not winning. And then you get out of the car and you act like you don't give a fuck, and you say, it.
[00:56:44] Speaker D: Is what it is.
[00:56:45] Speaker B: So I feel like that probably rubbed RC or whoever wrong, too, just over.
[00:56:50] Speaker D: The past few know.
[00:56:53] Speaker A: Yep, I bet it did. Because how many major heroes of the sport has Richard childress helped along their path? Kevin Harvick and Earnhardt and multiple others that have had huge names in the sport, and we're looking at Sheldon Creed.
You just don't fit that mold, brother. I don't know what to tell you. Just you're not that guy.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: You are not that guy, pal. You're not that guy.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: You aren't. And you're just. Not going to get there acting like that. That's not championship level.
That's not getting out of the car with a winning attitude. That is getting out of the car with a well, we're here to have fun, aren't we? Yeah.
As soon as you're out of little league, you're not here to have fun anymore. You're either here to win or go home. And he's obviously chosen his path of let's go home. Because, man, I can't imagine an entire organization on national television coming at me and telling me how dumb, stupid and terrible I am at my job.
[00:58:02] Speaker B: It was awesome. It was awesome.
I couldn't believe it was all going down. I was texting you and my dad at the same time. We're all talking about it. I was like, I've just never seen anything like that. I mean, I don't know.
[00:58:17] Speaker D: It was just the craziest thing, but it is what it is.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: It is.
Best of luck to you if you can come out and figure it out at a different team.
[00:58:28] Speaker B: He's going to JGR. That's what Austin Hill said in his interview.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: Well, if you can go to JGR and get some wins, then good for you, man. Go out there and do it. Prove us all wrong.
I love being proven wrong because at least you're doing something then. But if you're going to come out here and just tell everybody how it wasn't your fault and this and that, I'm just looking at the whole situation. I mean, the on track racing, was it really that crazy? Egregious. Did he completely wreck his teammate? No, but I mean, to do everything that you did not make it through. Well, I mean, it's always going to depend who you ask. But mean, looking at it, I don't.
[00:59:04] Speaker B: See anything like he fucked them both out of making it, which maybe he did on purpose. Maybe he's like, fuck Richard childers. I don't know.
[00:59:11] Speaker A: I don't know. I think he's got a data career.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: The smt data in the center of the corner after he'd already doored the 21, he goes into the corner on the outside and he brake checks the fuck out of 21. That's when he hit him and wrecked.
[00:59:24] Speaker D: And everybody spun on the very last.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: Corner and the seven got up underneath him. The seven had a broken wheel. Won that race with a broke wheel. The wheel was sitting like this right here.
[00:59:37] Speaker A: If it was more than a two lap shootout, he wasn't winning that.
[00:59:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it wasn't. I mean, I don't think it was longer than that corner. He would have won. I don't know if he could have went down in the interns one and two after the flag and actually made.
[00:59:48] Speaker D: A racing corner in that.
[00:59:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:52] Speaker D: Just great.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: I mean, awesome finish. I love the finish. It was amazing. There's everything you want to say? I think I said it exactly this way to you. I'm so glad that Sheldon Creed did what he did because it made it so much fun to watch. Yeah, but I hate that he did what he did because he completely ruined his own race and his teammates race and made a laughing stock of his entire team.
It sucks, dude. He would have looked like a hero if he was 10ft out in front of that seven car, but he was 10ft behind him, so you look like a zero.
He put himself in the moment and he tried to do everything he could with it, and he's coming out of there with a lot of memes being made. Lots of memes. My favorite one, though, is somebody had the Flintstones car and they put the two superimposed on it and said the race car, Richard Childers against all that, that was pretty good.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: Which is true.
[01:00:51] Speaker A: Maybe we're talking too much shit. He's going to come out here and win a championship with Joe Gibbs racing next year, but I think that's a little bit of a far fetched idea.
[01:01:01] Speaker B: But yeah. So all that to say, I know we talked about Phoenix the whole time, but we are looking forward to Phoenix, obviously.
[01:01:08] Speaker D: Me and Caleb having both of our dudes in it.
[01:01:12] Speaker B: Either one of us will be sad, one of us will be happy, or we'll both be sad next.
[01:01:18] Speaker A: It's I'm just glad to finally have a year where I don't have to just cheer for your driver because I have no one else to go for.
[01:01:24] Speaker D: Yeah, it's going to be awesome. I mean, we're going to be talking.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: Shit to each other all day.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: It's going to be great. I don't even know what our plan is yet for watching the race. I don't know what's going on either. It's tough with the whole house fire situation. I'm disappointed I don't get to host this year, so we'll figure something out. We'll have to let everybody know.
Betting wise on Martinsville, though. I know you won one bet. What did you say it was?
[01:01:51] Speaker B: Briscoe top ten.
[01:01:53] Speaker A: Well, there you go. I mean, SHR came out after all the shit we talked about. SHR, this was the one bet you won was an SHR bet.
[01:02:01] Speaker B: And not that I'm saying I'm new that or anything, but I did have bets on Priest and Briscoe.
[01:02:08] Speaker D: So I looked at the finishing order.
[01:02:10] Speaker B: And saw that SHR did really well at Martins earlier this year.
[01:02:15] Speaker D: And I was like, you know, I.
[01:02:17] Speaker B: Could see this being all right. And for a minute there, all four of them were in the top ten. So that was pretty cool as well.
[01:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah, it was cool.
I knew Blainey was going to do well there. I did not expect to win, so I'm all for it. But I had Blainey picked as a top five because he has a lot of success at Martinsville. So I'm glad that one ended up hitting.
And then I usually only do a two pick parlay but this week I went ahead and put a three picker in there and I had Blaney beaten Logano Busher, beaten Elliot Namarola, beating Briscoe and all of that added up to like I think it was like a plus 600 bet and ended up nailing that. So that was a good win for me. I ended up doubling my money between NFL, college football and racing. I doubled what I started the weekend with, so I am all here for it. I had a great weekend betting wise.
[01:03:11] Speaker B: Hell yeah.
[01:03:13] Speaker A: Next weekend, you know, I am betting 100% on Blaine Blaney.
[01:03:18] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: And you're betting 100% on Kyle Larson. And that's pretty much all I'm doing. Pick one of the four.
Don't try to think this is going to be the year that's going to change. Pick one of the four.
[01:03:30] Speaker D: Yeah. That's where I'm at.
[01:03:33] Speaker B: I'll see what I want to do NFL wise, but for Cup, I'm just doing Larson.
[01:03:40] Speaker D: That's it.
[01:03:41] Speaker A: Hell yeah. Might as well having fun with it.
[01:03:45] Speaker B: Hell yeah. Well, my name is Dawson Edwards. You can find me on Dawson Edwards music across all platforms.
[01:03:52] Speaker A: And I am Caleb Con. Ready?
[01:03:53] Speaker D: Come.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: Found me at Caleb Con. Rowdy everywhere. Follow raised rowdy. Raised Rowdy racing. And thank you to Matt Burrell and Nikki T. We got one more podcast after a race coming up and then we're going to figure out what else we're doing with it after the offseason comes, but we will let y'all know when we find out.
[01:04:09] Speaker B: I got a feeling we're going to have some guests on over the offseason. That'll be cool.
[01:04:12] Speaker A: I'm here for it. That'd be a lot of fun.
[01:04:15] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:04:17] Speaker B: I got a big one I'm going to tell you about when we get off here and I'll see what you think about it.
[01:04:21] Speaker A: Nice.
All right, y'all. Well, we enjoyed it. Another good one. Let's go on to Phoenix. Let's have a good race.
[01:04:28] Speaker D: Come on.
[01:04:29] Speaker B: See y'all.
[01:04:34] Speaker C: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black? It ain't got a big white number three turning left around a track?
But you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away?
These good years can't handle dirt? Don't need no curves with banks? What I like in horses I make up with four by four?
I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door?
Checkers record? My foot hammered on the gas? I'm making my way to you, girl, earn hard?
My hood don't say good ring ain't never.
