S3 Episode 1: No Consistency!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:05] Speaker B: This is Ray's Rowdy Racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards. What up, beautiful people? [00:00:15] Speaker A: We are back for the first episode of 2025. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. It's about freaking time. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Yeah, we're running way behind, like two. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Or three weeks too late. [00:00:26] Speaker A: We didn't do. Didn't do a preseason, didn't do one for the Clash, didn't do one for Daytona. So here we are, Atlanta strong. [00:00:35] Speaker B: We're coming in a little. A little late, but we're going to be just as fun as if we were right on time. [00:00:42] Speaker A: I was at. I was at Atlanta this weekend. [00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah, you. You got to go. I was. I was so, so mad whenever I found out you were going. Not for, like, legitimately, but I definitely was. I had that FOMO feeling going on, man. We could have been there. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it was Shout Out Randy Adams. Gotta give him his credit. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:01:05] Speaker A: He texted me Friday night about tickets for both races for the or, all three races, Saturday and Sunday. So I made sure. I made sure the tickets were at. In seats because I do not. I hate sitting in the middle, so check that box. And then I made sure we could get some scanners because I don't really enjoy going to a race unless I have a scanner, so I can just keep up with, like, everything that's going on, you know? [00:01:34] Speaker B: Man, he looked the gift horse in the mouth unabashedly. I love it. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Wait, what does that mean, the gift horse? [00:01:40] Speaker B: I had to make sure they were on an end. I had to make sure I could get a scanner. I had a mixture of a lot of things. [00:01:45] Speaker A: I had to do two things. Had to do two things and make sure I could say yes. I was like, give me a second. And normally the scanner situation, you can't. At least in the past, it's. For me, it's been like you had to do it like a week or more in advance. So I just assumed there would be no scanners available. But when we. When we look, they were still available as of Friday night. [00:02:08] Speaker B: So I didn't even know you had to do it, like, in advance. I thought you could just get them whenever you got there. [00:02:12] Speaker A: You cannot do that. That is not a lot. You cannot order them there. You have to do them in advance. But, like, even before I've had. Where it's like you've had to do it. To my knowledge, it's always been like to have a scanner by Atlanta. You need to have it before Daytona's done. I got you to have a scanner for Coda. You need to have it for after Atlanta's done. [00:02:32] Speaker B: You're too late. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Like that far in advance. Yeah, I don't know if it goes to like as long as they have them or what, but they were available Friday night, so I got some for both days. So. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Heck yeah. [00:02:44] Speaker A: There we go. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Well, it looked like it was a lot of fun. I know you say that it's one of the best racetracks you could possibly go to. [00:02:49] Speaker A: So Atlanta is the best. It's my. Probably my favorite race on the schedule. And it is also just like the facility is great. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Top notch. [00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Because one you have those. The bar, I call them a bar. But you have the thing in front of your seat that you can like put drinks and food in. Your coat, your hat, whatever you want. You have all that. It also allows you like no one is on top of everybody. Like you're all. It makes you feel more spread out. Like you don't have someone knees in your back and your knees are in someone else's back. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's one thing that drives me crazy. I never really understood. I mean I'm sure if I was there in 2004 and you literally couldn't get a ticket to a NASCAR race, it would make a lot more sense. But man, nowadays I see some of these places that you can end up. Nashville is pretty notorious for it because I know every time I've ever gone it's been fairly crowded. You can find your open spots, but I mean if you're in a ticketed seat down front, you're not going to have anywhere else to go. So you're stuck sandwiched in between all those other people and it's hot as hell and it's like, man, we have a mile and a half long racetrack. What is the frickin purpose of putting all of us right on top of each other like this other than to sell all the tickets in one area? [00:04:02] Speaker A: And I've also decided Nashville is like my least favorite honestly place. Yeah, I actually dig the racing that's happened at Nashville. But the. [00:04:14] Speaker B: Sorry, I think a bomb just went off in the hallway. [00:04:17] Speaker A: The Nashville racetrack just. I don't know. I've been to like we. I counted up their day. It's like seven or eight different NASCAR tracks and I don't know, I think Nashville is just at the bottom. I think a lot of it had to do too with they're like still brand new in a way, like getting everything back. And like you go to Atlanta, you ask a question to anyone, everybody knows exactly what's going on. The prices of everything is like I was getting for a double ounce 20 or a 25 ounce beer. $10, that's $5 a beer. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Amazing. [00:04:49] Speaker A: So, like, beer's not crazy. I also want to shout out which this is going to be every racetrack now. But the Chipotle thing, I think that is a great thing. Shout out Ryan Blaney and whoever else they're doing. [00:05:00] Speaker B: I don't even know what this is. I haven't seen this. [00:05:02] Speaker A: They're starting at Atlanta. They didn't have it at Daytona. Starting at Atlanta. Ryan Blaney and nascar. And I want to say there's one more driver that's in on this, but they are signed a deal with nascar. So you can go to a Chipotle now, like if you went to the one in Nashville, you can order like Ryan Blaney's. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. His favorite meal or whatever they are. [00:05:26] Speaker A: Going to have inside the infield and outside the track. When I first read this, I thought it was just going to be in the infield, but they have one in the infield, one outside the track. Every track, they're bringing their trailers and everything. You can go there, you either get a bowl or burrito, you can put guac, queso, all the stuff they charge extra for in the store. [00:05:43] Speaker B: That's. [00:05:44] Speaker A: You can get all of that and it's $8 on the dot. There's no extra charges. It's $8. Bowl or burrito, 8 bucks no matter what you get. [00:05:52] Speaker B: What a time. [00:05:53] Speaker A: As much or as little stuff as you want. My bowl was so big for $8, I could not even finish the whole thing. That's how like much food was in the thing. So. Hell yeah, that's, that's gonna be. From what I understand, every single track they're gonna have like a Chipotle stand. Like, damn. Their trailers there, the, the one in Atlanta, which I assume all this is transportable, but it's like, you know rigging they use for lighting. Yeah, it's like one of those things, like a setup, build up trust, build up in a, in a square lift. It's got a, got the Chipotle logo real big so you can see it. So that's how you get in there. They have their little working area and then outside of that they had not seats, but they had like these high top table things so you could stand. [00:06:39] Speaker B: And eat food right there. [00:06:40] Speaker A: It was cold, so they also had some like heaters over there. They had that and then I think outside the, outside of their Little perimeter. Atlanta had put, like, picnic tables around it. [00:06:50] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:06:50] Speaker A: And they have their. Their things like a perimeter. It's like a gate set up. It's got Chipotle logos all over it. Anyway, I posted about it on Twitter, but I think that's going to be super sick for eight bucks. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah. That is top. [00:07:02] Speaker A: It's not a racetrack or it's not racetrack concessions. It's like a NASCAR thing outside the track. And it's like $8. Like, for instance, you go inside the track, chicken fingers are like, 15. [00:07:15] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:07:15] Speaker A: People are going to want Chipotle for $8. Way over. Some French fries and chicken fingers have been sitting in a heater for two hours. [00:07:24] Speaker B: And it gives you something different. I mean, you go to a. That's one thing I've always had a complaint, went to NASCAR races is because I've only been to Talladega, Bristol, and Nashville. Now Talladega, it's such an incredible atmosphere. This doesn't. It doesn't qualify there. But my biggest complaint I've had going to these other two racetracks that I've been to is just simply before you actually go in to see the race, there's just not a whole lot to do sometimes. Yes, there's a little bit here. Like, the first time we went to Bristol, they had the motorcycles from the Monster Energy guys jumping and doing crazy stuff. Yeah, that was awesome. But outside of that 30 minutes, we. We did walk around. There was a couple things, but, man, it would be awesome to have more food. Like, really good food. Like, barbecue, guys sitting out there trying to do stuff. I mean, there can be a whole. And I know they have, like, gypsies. [00:08:13] Speaker A: They have food trucks out there. [00:08:16] Speaker B: And that's the thing is, like, you have the gypsies, you can do a little bit of shopping with them, but, man, there's such an opportunity. And music festivals make a really good. Do a really good job of this a lot. Where they'll combine the music festival with something else. Like, the one will be, like, barbecue specific, but it won't just be guys with barbecue pits showing up, cooking for you. It's also guys that sell cutting boards. It's guys that sell knives. It's dudes that come here with this and that and, like, create a whole big giant event. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Of things you can do to the point where you can be entertained the entire time you're there. And I think there's a huge opportunity there, especially with the fact that a lot of the parking areas aren't filled as Much as they used to be. Now you have all that room that you could put retail or food or drink or whatever, hangout spots. I think there's a lot of opportunity that gets missed sometimes with the off track entertainment. [00:09:04] Speaker A: And I think they are. I don't know if this is just because the last. Other than 23, I went to Atlanta and Talladega, but the last two years I've only been to. Only been to Atlanta. So I'm not. I'm not sure what I'm about to say. Is it like every single track? But at Atlanta, the last two years, speaking on like the fans, on stuff to do, they have it maxed out as much as you could possibly get in there. [00:09:31] Speaker B: That's. [00:09:31] Speaker A: They have, dude, I mean, you name it, it's there. They had. They had two iRacing simulators. One was this Ford performance one that has three simulators and they're on the shocks and everything. So it's like a real simulator. [00:09:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:46] Speaker A: So they have a trailer that just does that the whole time. And then they have a dirt late model that you get into. And that is a simulator with shocks as well. And that does like dirt tracks. [00:09:55] Speaker B: That's so cool. [00:09:56] Speaker A: So they have that. Those two things were there. And then on top of that you have. I was telling somebody about this today. So now that nicotine pouches are back in the world and they're. There's no laws against like tobacco commercial. All the laws are against tobacco commercials, not nicotine. So now nicotine is like back. So that's another big activation. They're doing Grizzly Zone and Zen. They have all their stuff set up. So like if you go to the store and buy like a can of Zen, it's like five bucks. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:30] Speaker A: Everything they're doing there is one dollar. There's people walking around with sack fulls for a dollar. You know, they've got all this stuff for a dollar. So you have all of those. I mean, Kroger had a massive thing set up. We took pictures with the sea lions. They had a sea lion exhibit set up down there. [00:10:48] Speaker B: That's cool. I mean, that's just. [00:10:50] Speaker A: They sell out there. They had a potato. They had a mashed potato setup thing. Like whatever brand it is, which I hate. Fake, like instant potatoes. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:00] Speaker A: But like whatever brand that is. So they had this whole thing set up. You go in there, they had the bar where you could like put bacon bits and cheat. Kind of like at my sister's wedding. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Bacon bits, cheese, all this stuff. They have the. They have all that at that. Also on top of this, every driver's out there doing something. Haley Deegan's at the potato bar. Kyle Busch is at the zone thing. Ross Chastain, to protect your melon. They had one of his old 92 cars out there. He did that. They had. Priest is doing the Kroger thing. Yeah. But I mean, I just. There's so. There was so there. There is so much stuff going on. They had probably four or five food trucks, plus Chipotle. They also had. Because it was so cold. Now, if this is in the middle of summer, this wouldn't. This wouldn't go well. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:11:50] Speaker A: They had coffee bars everywhere. These people like, like, pulled their. They had like their coffee food truck. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. [00:12:00] Speaker B: Mobile coffee bar thing. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Yeah, mobile coffee bar. Yeah. So, like, you have people, tons of people walking around, especially in the morning, drinking coffee from all these little. [00:12:07] Speaker B: See, that's exactly what I've been hoping for. Out of every race I've ever gone to. [00:12:12] Speaker A: I can't speak for anywhere else, but at Atlanta, they are doing all that. [00:12:15] Speaker B: I can speak for Nashville. They don't do it there because I. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Don'T know if anybody wants to go stand out in the 100. What would they say it was last? Like 150 degrees asphalt. [00:12:24] Speaker B: They've got to move that race. That. That race cannot happen at the time that it's happening. Or they need to construct outdoor tents for you to be able to go into for these events. Because everything that's in Nashville at the. Specifically at the racetrack, everything there is to do at the racetrack, all the stuff that we're literally talking about right now, there's not a single tent over any of it. I'm not kidding when I say if you go to the Nashville NASCAR race, you will only find entertainment before the race out in the open on blacktop. [00:12:53] Speaker A: Worst off, that they said is like 150 degrees. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. And so your. Your bake, Your feet are 150 degrees and your head isn't much better. And you're just out there trying to enjoy as much as you can, but you're just getting beat down on. [00:13:05] Speaker A: There's no way I've said this on this podcast when. Because we've been to. I think we've been to every Nashville race but last year's, I think. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I've not missed a single year of Nashville's NASCAR races except for last year. Same for the exact same reason you did of. I'm sick of going out there. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:22] Speaker B: And staring at the freaking sun until the last lap of the race when it finally goes down behind the stands. Well, guess what? The race just ended. So I got to go right back out into it to get to my damn truck. [00:13:31] Speaker A: So I, what I'm about to say, I've said before, but it was the first time I had ever experienced this. But when we were out there, the, the heat from the asphalt, you can like fill it on your legs. And like, I mean we've worked some hot shows. Yeah. But like you know what? [00:13:48] Speaker B: We've always had shade. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Something the heat from the ground. So it just bakes you both ways. You're getting heat from the sun and the heat from the asphalt like makes your legs wet. I'm not kidding you. It's the weirdest feeling. You can feel the heat in the ground. [00:14:05] Speaker B: So wild. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure from the bottom. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Up, I'm pretty sure they said it was on door bumper clear. They had a heat thing on the roof and it was 150/something, degree asphalt temp. [00:14:16] Speaker B: And nobody's happy about that. And I just don't get why they are investing so much money to get more people there if it's not going to be easy for those people to be there. And then, I mean we've had these complaints about Nashville from the very beginning. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Between them running out of water, it's. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Just that was run out of water and this. [00:14:36] Speaker B: They're not organized enough. They don't have it understood. And so that's why I'm so jealous of the Atlanta race. Being so close to where you live now. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:43] Speaker B: Because you can go there and have one of the best race experiences of your entire life. But for us here in Nashville to get to a race experience that's worth anything, you're going minimum three hours to Talladega. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker B: I mean that's just the way it is. You're. You can might as well just leave Nashville off. And I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing the first Nashville races that don't sell out. Because people are just tired of going out there and baking because they keep putting these races in the mid afternoon. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. People just. [00:15:10] Speaker B: TV or not, they need to put that race on Saturday night. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Yeah. People just aren't going to. You just can't ask people to sit in like that temperature all day long. I don't know. It's just not going to fly. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Also, to top that off, the only the two tracks you can't bring your own drinks in, Drink sandwiches, beer, water, Whatever you want to bring. Can't even bring a Coca Cola in. Is Nashville and Vegas, which I also boil that down to what is that? The two biggest touring cities in the world. [00:15:39] Speaker B: They know how to take advantage of people coming to town. [00:15:42] Speaker A: And so that's why they got railed on social media in 2021 for running out of water. Because every other track in the circuit, you can literally bring as much water as you can. Like, yeah, literally as much water as you could hold. You can bring that into a race or beer. But like they. Yeah, I don't know. Nashville is just so young and like you can just tell everybody that works there and like everything. That's what I was getting at about the questions. Like when we went to Talladega that time with my dad and like we're asking about credentials and stuff. A guy literally asked me like, he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I don't even know like what we were trying to get to the credential trailer. And he's like, I don't know what that is. And it's like, you can just tell these people. And I'm not hating on the people. They probably had like a week long training before Nashville race starts. [00:16:33] Speaker B: Be surprised if even that. Because I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it went down to like these event service companies that ubiquitous in Nashville because they'll send crews out to do stuff like that. They probably received a packet that had the information about what their particular job was and that's it. Because that's how those companies work. Because in the music industry you don't have all these random questions coming through to you and every people in the crowd. People in the crowd of music events know what to do. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:58] Speaker B: So really the only reason for the ushers to be there is to help you find your seat in your general area and for any security related concerns that they need to put somewhere higher. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:08] Speaker B: But as soon as you get to a NASCAR race, I mean, yeah, if you got people parking, you need to know where the campground is. You need to know where the regular parking is, tailgate parking, you need to know where all the entertainment that is going around because you're also now a tour guide because nobody knows these racetracks because they're probably coming in for the first time in at least a year, if not more. So they don't know. And you're talking about people that have probably traveled multiple hours to be wherever they are. So they really have no idea what's going on. [00:17:34] Speaker A: Totally. [00:17:35] Speaker B: They need a very knowledgeable person to meet them at the front, which is exactly what you got in Atlanta. [00:17:39] Speaker A: If you go to Atlanta, you ask someone any question where you need to go, they have the answer. This was weird. But at Atlanta on Sunday, the Georgia State Patrol, they so the main road to Atlanta, they only let traffic go one way. They literally shut down not on Saturday, but on Sunday. Just because the mat like there's so many people. It's insane, but they just make traffic go one way. So when you turn right handed into the place, they weren't allowing those right handed turn. We go out to the next gate and the lady's like, are y'all trying to get the blue parking? Which is where we were trying to get to. She was like, they're not going to allow you to make that right turn. But if you loop around right here, they allowed you to make a left turn. Took five minutes and they figured it out. [00:18:26] Speaker B: They know anybody. [00:18:27] Speaker A: If you had that situation in Nashville, specifically, I don't. You might wind up on the next county over because you don't know where the next turnoff is or any of that. [00:18:37] Speaker B: Man, it was so funny. I was just at the Mexican restaurant in town yesterday with a buddy of ours, Flip, and he brought up Nashville. And the first time that he ever went there, he got out to his car and he looked at the parking situation. He figured out in a moment that every parking lot attendant, and that was at the race when people were coming in, completely disappeared and left. They weren't even there for the out. So these parking attendants no longer exist. And now it's just a free for all for everybody to leave. I mean, it's just a typical story in Nashville. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:08] Speaker B: I mean every, every track is different, but I will say got a rag on the hometown track for sure. Because they're putting, they're putting bad taste in anybody's mouth that goes to a NASCAR race there. [00:19:19] Speaker A: So I guess we can get to the actual racing aspect of this weekend. We haven't even spoke about Atlanta. So there's all. Every take that we're gonna have is our first time I'm here. Yeah, exactly. [00:19:33] Speaker B: I know because I normally text him at home. We had our buddy Josh here. Josh Hammonds was here. [00:19:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:38] Speaker B: So he was hanging out, watching it with us. We were cooking and doing a bunch of stuff and you were at the race. So this is one of those lucky times where we both have a completely different perspective on the race. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And normally like we'll text like what you think about this. What'd you think about this? That just hasn't happened this year. So what did you think about the Atlanta race? [00:19:57] Speaker B: Man, I loved it. I loved every single bit of it. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Until the last half mile. [00:20:02] Speaker B: What are you supposed to. What? I don't really know even how to, like, tiptoe around it. I mean, it's, it's an awesome race. I think Denny said it best on his podcast. He said something to the effect of, I guarantee you, every single driver in the field hopes to God that we can figure out a way to make Talladega and Daytona perform the same way that Atlanta does. [00:20:22] Speaker A: The reason Talladega and Daytona have been sold out and are the most wanted to go to tracks of the last 40 years is because of what Atlanta is right now. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. It's. It's exactly what you're hoping for. There's people that are cutting in, there's people that are cutting out. There's two lanes. There's drama handling. [00:20:43] Speaker A: And the way some of the nose of the car, like, you just. You have to let off the gas in certain situations. The nose. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Joey Lingano breaking into turn one. [00:20:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, even in the trucks and stuff. Like, if you watch, which everyone knows my opinion on Daniel Hemrich, it's not very high. But if you watch Daniel Hamrick at the end of the race, he's, he's, he's leading. He. He has complete control of the race down at the very end and comes out of turn four. Nose floats away. He literally goes from first to dead last. And that was his race. And he also happened at the very. [00:21:16] Speaker B: End they had even already talked about. [00:21:18] Speaker A: His car was also race. I'll. I'll get. His car was also. He had bare bond and everything else in the nose of the car. So, yeah, sure, it wasn't dingling. [00:21:26] Speaker B: That one particular was a pretty bad one. But even earlier in the race, they showed him entering into turn three. He dives down to the middle between where the dotted lines are, riding in the second groove. And you watch his car just float back up into groove, like two and a half to three. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:44] Speaker B: And he kind of sits up there for a second. It almost looks like he's diamonding the corner because he literally cannot get the front of his car to rotate. [00:21:51] Speaker A: And that was, if anybody listened to Dell Junior's podcast last week, where he's, like, just harping on, like, how bad Daytona is. That's exactly what one of the things he talked about is how tight the cars used to get in the corner. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:06] Speaker A: And like, because you had to let off that way. You had to let off. And they didn't have, you know, 18 inch wide tires on the ground. They had, what, 10 inch, whatever the hell they were back then. [00:22:19] Speaker B: And a spoiler. You could see over the top of the car staring at the headlights. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Exactly. So, like, there was just certain things that, like, made Daytona and Talladega so freaking cool that allowed runs and allowed out all that stuff. And that is exactly what Atlanta is today. And that is why everyone said it. Atlanta is probably the hottest ticket in those two races. [00:22:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:43] Speaker A: Are probably the hottest two tickets of the whole season. I don't know how they're not. And we do it all the time. But even though I hate doing it. Referencing other racing podcasts. But I'll just go ahead and say again what Dell Jr said this weekend about Atlanta. He was like, that is. Is like, that is the best NASCAR racing can get. Like, that's the ceiling. What you saw on Sunday. Like, that is it. And I. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Because it's something up until the very end, on top of it. [00:23:11] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just so awesome. Everything about it, like, what happened. I can use Denny Hamlin and Ryan Blaney for two examples of what happened at Atlanta that could not happen at Talladega and Daytona. So when Denny. Denny starts 37th and gets his way almost to the top 10 after that first pit stop. First pit stop, runs through too many stalls, goes back to dead last, drives his way back to the front at the very end of the race, the 12 car gets spun, goes to the very back and freaking finishes fourth. And that was in a very short amount of time. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Then the wild McDowell McDowell situation, which is a great example. [00:23:51] Speaker A: He needed a lot of help to have that happen. And once I got the car, it. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Took a lot of luck for sure. But it shows what a talented driver at that type of racing can do. [00:24:01] Speaker A: It is in the driver's hands. You just nailed it. It's like it's all about the talent. It's in the driver's hands. You can make moves. That's how Dale Earnhardt goes from 17th, 18th place and wins that his last race ever. Like, those kind of things, they're not joking when they talk about, like, you cannot do that at Daytona and Talladega. There's no runs. There's no letting off the gas. There's no. [00:24:24] Speaker B: There's literally an hour difference immediately as soon as you step out of the draft due to the drag on the car. Yeah, yeah. They've got to figure something. [00:24:31] Speaker A: And Atlanta So short. You don't have that. That doesn't come into play as much. Like the back straightaway is what, double or double and a half? Shorter they said or something. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So like my favorite way of hearing it. I can't remember who exactly said it, but it's mostly corners. It's. Atlanta is mostly corners when it comes to this draft and stuff. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah, they were talking about like running. Running 200 or they, you know, they get like a little at. Right at 200 at Talladega. Daytona feels like about 200 miles an hour at Atlanta and Daytona. They haven't ran a lap over 189@ Atlanta yet. And they say running 189@ Atlanta makes you feel like you're going 260@ Atlanta. You feel like you just own edge the whole time. And like when drivers are on edge and cars are just like on the little on the edge of whatever happening, that's what always has and that's what always will make great racing. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Definitely. You talk about handling being so important before the Daytona repave and you just go back and you watch the way that they used to have to drive off of the corners, man, it's just, it's a breath of fresh air to go back and look at those videos because I know every time Talladega and Daytona are going to come around, I'm going to get super excited about it and I'm going to watch the race and I'm going to just be like. Honestly, you're kind of watching just to make sure you know what every manufacturer strategy is because there's not enough going on in the middle of the races to make it huge. But, man, you talk about looking back at what they used to be able to do and the runs that they used to be able to make. The I always like to throw back to because this wasn't even necessarily the era that you're more referring to with like the 04 to 07 stuff. And before I even go back to 2018 or 2019 and Truex is way back and behind, I think he's still in the 78 car and he's pulling moves in Daytona where he's diving down to the side of the corners on his own, up out of the outside of the corners on his own and up to the draft. Yeah, I remember that even though he was 100 yards behind them, he had just enough a sniff of that air to get the speed on the straightaways. [00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:45] Speaker B: And he was able to use the banking in the corners as if it was a mile and a half track. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on a drafting track. Yeah, but you used to be able to do stuff like that because you genuinely needed a great handling race car to be able to do stuff like that. [00:26:59] Speaker A: And you weren't 15 miles an hour slower. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Exactly. Probably what, like 8 to 10? [00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:06] Speaker B: Somewhere in that realm. Which doesn't even sound like that big of a difference, but I mean, my gosh, you'd pull up 10 miles an. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Hour is a big difference. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Yeah. You get hit in the ass by somebody at 10 miles an hour, and I do it again at 15 and tell me that it didn't feel a lot different. [00:27:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just. Man, Atlanta is just awesome. And every single time they go back and race, their handling is going to be more of an aspect and it's going to make it even. [00:27:32] Speaker B: I know more that the asphalt's wearing out. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to be. It just makes it so awesome. I don't even know how to describe it. It just like even watching it from the stands is. Is just like there's so much going on. And I mean, I've. Obviously, we've all watched more races on TV than we. Than we have in person, but, like, you know, on TV, they really focus on the top six to 10 drivers. And I get, I get. I'm not even harping on that, but, like, I just know there's like, from probably 15th on back. I don't know if those guys weren't three wide, like the whole dumb race, like, because of all that stuff. Dude, one guy would go up and there's, you know, the next guy's just immediately plugging that hole. And like, I mean, there was one point which, I know the last race there, there's a little bit. It happened a little. There were some four wide racing that they got on camera because, like, it just became very popular or they did it for. Not popular, but they did it for multiple laps in a row. But when people are three wide and, like, stuff was happening, there was multiple times yesterday or Sunday where they were four wide and stuff. And like. But it was all farther back. And these guys are just crazy. Noah Graxton was like, when he finally got up to the top 10, he was like, oh, my God, it's so much more like, I can take a breath. But he got to, like. He got to, like, 10th, I think in the second end of the second stage, he was like. I felt like I could finally breathe because he's like, from literally 15th on back was just insane. And I mean, it was like they. I don't know, I didn't miss. It was awesome. I didn't miss a single wreck all weekend because they just all like, they're also like right on top of each other. So like, you know, they're happening all. [00:29:15] Speaker B: From turn four, dude. Every freaking wreck except for like two. [00:29:19] Speaker A: Yeah, there was someone backstretch a little bit, but yeah, a lot of the wrecks happen. Just like you just. Wow. You know, it's crazy. I don't know. It's crazy. [00:29:26] Speaker B: It would be so much fun. I cannot wait to go to that race just to experience the sensation of speed at a mile and a half with all the cars coming by at the same time. [00:29:36] Speaker A: Yeah, and that's another funny thing too, from a fan's aspect that I also, like, I feel like coincides with what the drivers say about feeling like you're going like 260 and like you're going so fast and whatever. So, like growing up, I got to go to a lot of races, but they were all at Talladega. Yeah, I don't even. I don't think I ever saw a racetrack that wasn't Talladega until Bristol maybe. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Really. [00:29:58] Speaker A: Maybe I'd seen Charlotte at that point, but only from. I've. I just looked at Charlotte, not a race. But. But anyway, what I'm getting at is it's like the cars are so far away. The cars are just. [00:30:11] Speaker B: It's so. It's. [00:30:13] Speaker A: You can't put into words how big Talladega Daytona are until like you see them, but the cars are so far away and like everything really is. Seems so spread out. Dude. In Atlanta, I don't know if you could sit anywhere and you don't see the whole track now. If you sit way low, you're not going to be able to see the back stretch. But, like, you sit halfway up or up. You can literally see every single thing. [00:30:35] Speaker B: You. [00:30:35] Speaker A: If you miss something, it's like your fault because you're looking away like it just is. It's just. You just feel like you're like right on top of it and they're all so close together and there's just so much going on. I don't. I don't know. Like, I just am with Dell Jr. Like the racing in Atlanta, I don't know like how you could ask for better than that. And then I know we're going to get into the point of what the ending of the race is, why people have a sour taste in their mouth, including myself and I think the whole entire crowd except for the people that were wearing Dewalt stuff, which there were. There are people there, I'm sure. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Absolutely. Especially him being more involved in dirt finally. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Knowing that he's going to be around a bit more. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, I don't. It was great until the very end and it was just like. It just kind of like. I don't know, it just ended. And like, no one. The atmosphere of last year. I took the videos of the guy and I talked about on the podcast. The guy that's like hollering in Spanish and like all the dinosaurs fans and like, yeah, people. People were like flipping out. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Which, I mean, it was like one of the greatest finishes ever. Like, I understand, like, I'm comparing this to like the ceiling, but like, when everybody left this week, I just saw it firsthand. It just went from like the craziness of that to like, everyone was like, okay. Like, no, there was no cheering, no nothing. It was like, how did it over. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Feel in the exact moment of that caution happening in the stands? Because for us on. To give you a little bit of context, and I'm sure you've seen replays of how it looked to have it happen on. [00:32:11] Speaker A: I don't know if I've seen the finish if you haven't, to be perfectly. [00:32:15] Speaker B: Honest, and this is just my reaction. [00:32:18] Speaker A: To it is I saw your text you sent me, which is what I think you're about to say, more than likely. [00:32:23] Speaker B: But I was pretty lit when I sent that text, so you may have to remind me what I said. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Okay. [00:32:28] Speaker B: We got to the last lap and it starts up and it's balls to the wall. We're having a great time. We are enjoying the hell out of finish. They enter into turn three and I have no idea exactly what's about to happen. I'm freaking out. I'm wondering what's going on. And next thing you know, they're coming into turn four. They're like halfway through turn four and you're still in it thinking green flag all day long because the caution light has not been shown. They're not telling you that it's under caution. It's almost like at some point in the previous 300ft of racing, a caution got called. But you know, Mike Joy is usually right on it, man. If there's a caution called, he tells you about it the moment that it happens. It's almost like there was this three to five second delay for the announcers to even understand That a caution's out on the racetrack because they're not even paying attention to the monitors anymore. They're watching what's going on. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:24] Speaker B: And for everybody on tv, it's almost like we just got teased with a good finish just to find out that 100 yards ago, it was already over and we just didn't even know about it yet. So all these guys that are posting these videos of, like. And that's where the race ends right there. I feel like the reason for that is, is because you didn't even know it was coming. And even for the fans watching on tv, you didn't even know it had already happened. The race was already over, and you're still waiting to see who crosses the line first. That was the biggest letdown. If they had just reacted immediately and yelled, caution, caution, cautions out. This race is over, it would have completely. I think it would have changed the way that the public interpreted that finish, because at least we would have known it happened instead of knowing that we got to see an extra 30 seconds racing that never even mattered. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So your text was something along those lines of, like, they went across the line and, like, we didn't even know there was a caution. Pretty much like the way they were going. So there was a couple things I want to say, like, towards that. So at the end of the race, I am. I'm cheering for Larson. I'm. We're listening to Larson. Like, I'm just focused on Larson, and I see the 77, gets to the back of the 20. He's pushing the 20, and then he makes this move three wide. And I was about to, like, shit my pants. I was like, oh, my God, this is about to be three. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it's about to be. Yeah. [00:34:51] Speaker A: And the second he makes it three wide. Caution. Tyler says caution to Larson. They say caution, but then they're saying, stay in it. Stay in. Like, we don't know what's going on. Stay in it. [00:35:04] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:35:06] Speaker A: And they played back. Jose Vars, spotter. I saw this on the end car. He was telling him, like, you can back off now. It's over. They didn't. He didn't fucking back off. He stayed in it. And I haven't heard bell, but I clearly. He stayed in it. But, like, this is going to open a whole nother can of worms onto a conversation I want to have in a minute. But that's when the caution came out. Was damn near right when he put it in the middle of larson. And the 20. He goes from pushing the 20 makes the move to the inside. It was like, caution right then. And I'm just watching the front and I hear caution. I'm like, fuck. And I turn around, I look, and I don't even. Oh, I see some smoke. I didn't even see them wrecking. Didn't see nothing about it. And they were. They keep talking about the wreck. Granted, they were in, like, six to eighth, the guys that wrecked. But, like, the leaders were a good ways in front of them. Like, they were already, like, in the turn. Ish. Right here. The wreck happened on the back stretch. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it wasn't actually on the back stretch. Was it on the exit of 2? [00:36:06] Speaker A: No, they were on the middle of the back stretch. It was Josh Berry, Chastain, Denny Hamlin somewhere. And I don't even still know what the. I know Josh Berry had to get towed back on a record. [00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:17] Speaker A: And his door phone, like, the door of the car was, like, messed up. I. [00:36:21] Speaker B: To be perfectly honest, I've seen a million replays of the finish. I have not seen a single replay of the actual. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker B: And even if you try to look it up right now, the only thing you're gonna get is the dang video that somebody cut where as soon as the caution happens, it goes to the black screen with the credits rolling and whatever. Yeah, I see that everywhere now, which is a great example of how felt to watch the race exactly happen. But I still don't even know precisely what happened to the guys in the back of the pack that would have caused them to call the caution right there. And the worst part of it, too, is NASCAR created the problem for everyone because they had so many people convinced that we're going to race back to the line on the last lap because we've done it seven times already this last two weeks. So that whenever they finally do call the caution for whatever it was, of course everybody's going to be confused because why are we calling it now? That's not been the M.O. for the last seven races that you've done, and there's obviously not a rule written down that's hard and fast. So it just confused the hell out of everybody. And we were all celebrating in the Xfinity race that they let them race back to the line, and then we're just going to follow it right back up with. Now we're going to call the caution the moment people turn around. And I know they're. I know all the drivers and everybody are saying that they made the right call. They made the right call. They should have put the caution out. Well, man, at the end of the day, like, right call. Right call is a very opinionated term. The right call would be to stick with consistency and put until you tell the teams something different before the race even starts. Hey, if it comes down to a wreck on the last lap, we. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Sawyer did tell them this before the race. Yes, they. I saw it all over Twitter. I heard the audio today because I listened to the Holler Talk to a podcast and that was a joke. [00:38:17] Speaker B: That's hilarious. I was. [00:38:18] Speaker A: It's called. [00:38:19] Speaker B: I was very concerned. It's called for a second. Yeah. [00:38:22] Speaker A: But I didn't podcast. But someone closed. Holler Talk 2 is gonna go crazy this week. And I was like, I'm definitely gonna call it. [00:38:30] Speaker B: Get ready to buy your Lajoy Meme coins tomorrow. They're called pennies. You go out and you buy them, and then you come to find out that nobody actually is going to recognize a penny in about a month. [00:38:41] Speaker A: So, like, they play the audio. He says that whatever. That's fine and dandy. Here is my $0.02 about the whole thing. I saw Andrew Kirkland make a post and I retweeted it and put my two cents in. And then Jeff Gluck, I'm going to get to him in a second. Andrew, who works for Dell Jr. He makes posts and says, what do you want them to do? Barrel through there on the Cooldown lap? It's the Cooldown. So I said, it's the Cooldown lap. They are not going to be barreling through anywhere. As soon as they cross the checkered flag, they're off the gas. Here's my thing, and I heard it with my own two ears. The caution gets called and all these guys are saying, stay the fuck in it and keep going. It doesn't matter where they're at on there. If the cars are involved, they're involved. The cars, they are going. They're going to go through those wrecks. It's did. Calling a caution. When Larson hit the wall head on in Atlanta, did that stop Chase Briscoe from hitting him? No, no. [00:39:43] Speaker B: And I agree with that. [00:39:44] Speaker A: It's not. That is not going to change anything, number one. Number two, it's the. If it's the last lap of the race, call all the emergency equipment down there. They are literally sitting on the back stretch. They have a whole entire damn near a mile before they're going to get there. The races, when they. That's when they let off the gas. When they cross the finish line, the leaders are going to Allow the gas. The leaders will be the first one to get there. Their spotters are going to say, hey, we got safety trucks back here. Back up, back up, let off whatever. And they're going to. What is the issue? [00:40:16] Speaker B: I feel like there's a really good. I don't. I would. I almost don't even want to say I'm playing devil's advocate because I'm kind of creating this opinion as. As you're sitting here talking because I'm analytically thinking about it. But I think the reason you have certain people as drivers be upset with it and probably it's most of the field, but I think the emotions run higher with your older drivers. People that were alive and watching racing back when a small wreck could be a real death. I think you have a lot of those guys that are going to make the bigger deal about it. Your Hamlins, your Harvick's, your Kyle Bush's, your anybody that's a little bit on the older side of your NASCAR group is going to be the people that have the most issue with it and which has been represented by what I have personally seen. Those are the guys that are the most upset with keeping it green after a wrecks happen. And I wonder if that hearkens back to the fact that they grew up in an era where even the smallest wreck, even a Dale Earnhardt wreck that doesn't look all that serious could absolutely mean a dead race car driver in the car. And so what they're looking at it as is, if you don't call that caution, the moment that that wreck happens and get these guys slowed down so the emergency equipment can get out there, we're hopefully going to save a life by getting those emergency people to that car as fast as possible. And the longer you keep that race green after a wreck happens, that's the longer that that guy's got to sit in that car. I think there is an issue. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Can send the emergency vehicles out. It's the last lap. They're not coming back around full speed again. It's no different than being under caution on the last lap. They go under caution, they're still going 70 miles an hour. When the race is over in the cool down lap, hell, half of them shut their fucking eng off, let their window net down, unbuckle their seat belts. Yeah, it's the last lap. That does not. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with you on the. On the cool down lap makes sense. But that's the only thing that I. That's kind of my reasoning of why I Think that some of the drivers are a little bit more upset with it. You have that like mentality in the back of their mind from 2000 when. [00:42:32] Speaker A: The rule, the rule got changed at New Hampshire, which is a narrow racetrack, when they wrecked on the front stretch. Safety people are out there. Del Jarrett's wrecked and Bill Elliott and them fly by. Them still going 100 and something miles an hour. I just don't understand why we can't use common sense here. If the wrecks on the front stretch or at the start finish line, you call the caution. If the wreck is on the back stretch or farther back stretch all the way through turns two, three or I mean four, three or four or whatever. If it's there or if it's on the front stretch on the last lap. If they're coming to just like the duels, if they're coming to the checkered, you have to let that play out. Yeah, you let that play out. By the time the whole field gets back around, every safety vehicle that would have been there, they're going to go. They're dispatched immediately. I'm all for driver safety. [00:43:33] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. It's just such a hard. [00:43:35] Speaker A: I have one idea. [00:43:36] Speaker B: It's just a. It's a hard thing to answer because I know a lot of people are brought up the whole like, if the wreck happens here, then you call it. If it happens after here, you don't call it and this and that. And it's like, that's all well and good, but that rule is going to have to be different for every single racetrack you go to. [00:43:52] Speaker A: And when you started watching racing, they had the overtime line and that's exactly. [00:43:56] Speaker B: What the overtime line was. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Was. [00:43:58] Speaker B: It's exactly. [00:44:00] Speaker A: That was a disaster. But there it's. It's because the leaders had to get past this point and then it's still not exactly. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Completely different flag. Yeah, that was a different checkered flag. [00:44:12] Speaker A: And that's what I'm trying to say is it's like not. That still doesn't fix like the problem I am talking about. And my only idea is, is there a way at it? What a track like, I don't know, new, I don't know of New Hampshire, wherever, whatever it is, they're not going to be beating and banging for the lead. I understand that. But if they are, whatever. If, if there's a caution, is there a way? Like they have local cautions on road courses. Is there a way? Then this is just last lap. I'm not talking about any other lap but the last lap. If the leaders are that far in front like they were at Atlanta, can you just let the leaders race back and like freeze the field and call the caution on these guys and let. [00:45:05] Speaker B: The leaders go call like a top 10 race back to the line? [00:45:08] Speaker A: Not even the top 10. Because people are going to say, People are going to say, well, the wreck happened in fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth. [00:45:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:14] Speaker A: So no, but like if the leaders, like if there's one guy, two guys, three guys, whatever it is in the. Everyone I know this is going to sound confusing, but like if the, if you know you're in the lead, you're racing back. If the wreck, if the wreck is behind you, you're racing back. That's the rule. If the wrecks behind you, if there's no smoke in front of you, race back. If there's a car, if there is smoke in front of you, you, you're under, you're under caution. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:43] Speaker A: If there's a car spun out, wreck, smoke, whatever in front of you, your race, it's over for you. [00:45:48] Speaker B: But that's an interesting. [00:45:49] Speaker A: If there is. If the wreck is behind you. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Behind, yes. Everything behind it. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Sorry you couldn't make no passes, but the leaders are racing to the finish. You're fucking three positions here. Sorry I can't help you there. But if there's no smoke in front of you, a car is not spun in front of you. If it happens in 16th, 15th on race, the checkered. See if it happens in third, third back, you're done. First and second. Go. [00:46:19] Speaker B: See that. [00:46:19] Speaker A: I think is, is there a way to do that? [00:46:22] Speaker B: We're attacking the wrong problem. We're worried more about what the driver should do in the situation. I think honestly, there needs to be a set of rules. That is the hard part about it is it's got to be kind of like Wiley Coyote rules. And I'm going to go, I don't. [00:46:40] Speaker A: Even know what that is on a. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Weird tangent here, but it's going to make sense when we come back around to it. [00:46:45] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:45] Speaker B: When they were riding the cartoon, you know, the coyote and the roadrunner, there was a set of like 10 something rules that you had to follow if you're riding that cartoon that like the roadrunner cannot hurt the coyote except to say meet, meet after it gets out of its. Out of the thing. And the coyote will always end up harming itself due to it trying to catch the roadrunner. And there was always. There was this like list of 10 rules that just made sure that the story of Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner always made sense and always followed the same guidelines. What I'm. What I think is a little bit more important to at least hit as a starting point. Because we can talk about where to call the caution. When we can talk about which cars should be allowed to race. We should. We can talk about how hard you should race after something's happened. We need a hard, fast rule for the person hitting the caution button, regardless of how it affects the race, regardless of anything going on on track. Because right now that's the problem we keep entering is we're always talking about it in context with a particular event. Oh, the Daytona wreck happened and they let them race back to the line, but then the Atlanta wreck happened and they didn't let them race back to the line. We just need a hard and fast rule of if any car on a track of a mile and a half goes more than 45 degrees sideways or 90 degrees sideways to the racing line, that in, that would, no matter the situation, the lap number, last lap, first lap, or any lap in between, that elicits a caution without question. So that way we at least know if you spin, there's a caution coming out. If a car turn sideways, a caution comes out immediately. There just needs to be a simple, let's strip back consistency. These stupid layers of the arguments that we can make. I just need to know the fact that the guy that's got his finger on the button knows exactly when he needs to push that button and when he does not need to push that button. And once we agree on that, then and only then will we be able to fix the entertainment portion of it. Because the entertainment needs to be framed by the hard and fast rules of the officiating body. We cannot determine entertainment or we cannot determine cautions based off of entertainment. We need to start determining entertainment based off of cautions. So that way, if there's just a rule that someone on the last lap has spun out, well, it doesn't matter that it's the last lap. We hit the caution button regardless. Now we know exactly when that caution will come out. Now we can start looking at. Okay, so when that caution does come out and it's the final lap, how are we going to handle that? But right now, the big issue we have is they spin out at Daytona and the dude with the button doesn't push it. They spin out at Atlanta, he does push it. Now we're talking about two completely different scenarios whether there is or is not a caution. And we're trying to figure out how to fix those individual moments. I say, screw that. Let's tell that dude with the finger on the button. This is the rule. And I don't care what's going on. I don't even want you to have a scoring monitor. I just want you to know that as soon as there's something going on, you hit that button. And the only question about it is your reaction time to the, to the situation. [00:50:18] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, but I. It's all. I just. We're so far from that because, like, all you got to do is go back to Atlanta. The first race in Atlanta last year when McDowell and Byron wrecked like hell on pit road, the entrance of pit road, and they just let them keep rolling. Oh, we can't mess up this or whatever. It's just like, they just, just keep on rocking. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's the stuff that I think is just absolutely stupid. [00:50:47] Speaker A: There's no consistency. That's what Graxon said. He just wants. Whether it's a caution or not a caution, we just, as drivers, there has to be some consistency. And also, like as fans, I mean, we've seen a million times, what was it? What race was it? Kyle Busch, like, got crooked. Like not even 45 degrees, but like the car like stepped out from under and boom, they caught a caution. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker A: What was it? This past weekend at Daytona, they called two debris cautions and they couldn't find it on tv. They've been doing all of these fake as Dell jr. Called them back in the day, the washer act caution, the dish rag caution. Yeah, they've been going on for fucking ever. And that's the entertainment part that you're talking about. The dish rag cautions were stag stage breaks before stage breaks. [00:51:34] Speaker B: They needed to get rid of that back in the day, but that should have been. [00:51:38] Speaker A: They're trying to. They're trying to fix last week this car fuel mileage issue. They want to be able to throw these cautions at the right time so they can get the guys to race full throttle. Not to worry about fuel. That's what they were. And there's multiple guys talked about it. [00:51:52] Speaker B: That's just dumb. That's just dumb. [00:51:54] Speaker A: But there's no consistency with a caution whatsoever. You let a race go green for too long and Kyle Busch's ass in steps out. Three degrees caution. [00:52:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. And that's the, that's the thing that I'm. That's the thing that I'm saying. They've got to fix that because on. [00:52:08] Speaker A: The last lap they wouldn't call that a caution. [00:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Officiating needs to be a black and white thing where when it comes just like the NFL, if somebody jumps on the offensive line. Yeah, it would have been a lot more entertaining for that quarterback to have actually completed that pass. He just. Or let's say an offsides call or something. Something where the play is allowed to continue on. Yeah, it'd be a, it'd be so entertaining to let the play play out. Say the defense has an offsides call and somebody intercepts the ball, runs it all the way back for a touchdown. 100% is more entertaining for that touchdown to stand than for the penalty to stand. But the penalty stands every damn time. They just have a black and white rule that if you are going to commit any kind of violation to the rules, the play is then stopped. That has got to be the standard in NASCAR too. We have to stop worrying about whether the fans are entertained 100% of the time because the fans are always going to be more interested in a race that actually played out according to the rules that they can understand than it is going to be for a race to be entertaining but controversial every single week. Because we're more worried about the entertainment of the week rather than the validity of the sport. You got to find the line between there and they have and they coexist and I guarantee you they coexist because every single sport in the world exists because there are rules to govern how it works and everybody agrees on how those rules are supposed to work. If we've got this one, we are the only sport that I know that makes emotional gut check calls every driver's. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Meeting before the race. And to top that off, NASCAR changes rules. NASCAR today updated the DVP rule again because of something that happened to Kyle Busch last week. They change rules so often that a die hard fan like me and you, I could not tell you the first what I thought about the DVP from what I was thought I was understanding before the season started to what has happened the last two weeks? [00:54:25] Speaker B: I have no idea. [00:54:27] Speaker A: No clue. They got people going. They have a designated spot in the garage to work on the car. Some people can be the pit road. You can come out. It makes no sense and I am as die hard of a NASCAR fan as you possibly could be. And I've been waiting to say because this is, this is what I want to wrap my whole thought about this whole aspect. And this came from me talking to Lindsey after the race Sunday. Lindsay was so confused. She's like, that's it, it's over. Like they're not like, that's the race. And I was like, yeah, that's the race. Nascar every single week wants to talk about, wants to talk about casual fans watching nascar. Nascar you cannot. And until they get the black and white rules of like how all of this works from top to bottom. Yeah, nascar, you cannot sit and enjoy a NASCAR race as a casual fan anymore because the die hard fans don't even know what's going on in some aspects. [00:55:35] Speaker B: And to be honest, I'm just so sick of hearing about casual fan. The die hard fan, the old school fan. We're all just fans. [00:55:43] Speaker A: But they want, they say casual fans, they want casual fans to watch the race and they can't because they have no clue what's going on. [00:55:51] Speaker B: That's what drives me crazy. [00:55:52] Speaker A: And it's their fault. [00:55:53] Speaker B: At the end of the day, I don't care what level of fan you are. What you care about is not who is watching, but how many who's are watching. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:04] Speaker B: So let's stop with this stupid. We gotta appeal to the casual fan if. Why the hell are, why are we so concerned with people that are wishy washy about it? Yeah, you want to convince them to become hardcore fans. But why would they ever want to be a hardcore fan when you're obviously more concerned with them when they don't know anything. [00:56:21] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Than you are when they do know. [00:56:23] Speaker A: Well, we told, we talked about this before Daytona. They have to pitch every race. It seems in the booth as that you've never watched a race in your whole entire life. Yeah, they don't do that in football. [00:56:34] Speaker B: And I'm so sick of that. Yeah, the only time that they like break down rules is happening. Yes. [00:56:40] Speaker A: And they bring in the old expert, whoever to come in and he like gives his thing, which is like what they try to do with Larry Mack, which is fine. But like we don't have to watch every race. And like you brought up, we don't have to hear about Darlington and the. [00:56:57] Speaker B: The Minnow Pond or whatever. [00:56:59] Speaker A: We don't have to hear about. Well, one duel's always easy and one duel's always crazy. I've been hearing that since 1996, since the day I was born. [00:57:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:09] Speaker A: Or I hear I could tell you how the broadcast. [00:57:12] Speaker B: So let me talk to you a little bit about how drafting works. And they pull up the two cards. It's a completely different animation every time, but it shows the same thing. It's like, dude, I understand how drafting works. What I Want you to tell me is how this drafting this year is different from last year because you keep changing the rules every year. [00:57:33] Speaker A: NASCAR has no consistency from cautions to cars to rules to literally anything. The DVP clock time. Did you know this is different at Atlanta than any other track? [00:57:47] Speaker B: No, I did not know. [00:57:48] Speaker A: It goes from seven minutes at all other 30 tracks, but Atlanta's eight. [00:57:54] Speaker B: What's a one more minute? Atlanta? [00:57:56] Speaker A: Because. Because that road is too long. Yes. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Oh, good God. But I hate that I was able to figure out why. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Even just like something as simple as that, like everything changes week to week to week. And then you know what we're going to hear about this week? Track limits. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:58:15] Speaker A: It's going to be. It's. There's no. There's no black and white calls on track limits because what did we see last year at the Roval? It was William Byron and Bubba Wallace. And one of them gets called, one of them doesn't. They were in each other's tire tracks. Yeah. Same thing's gonna happen this weekend. And someone's gonna get busted for it on, like lap three, they're gonna bust a lot of guys and try to make a point. And then the Miller race, no one will give two shits. And then at the end of the race when shit intensifies again, it'll be. It'll end their race. [00:58:48] Speaker B: If you're in top 10, I'm calling right now. [00:58:51] Speaker A: That's what's going to happen Sunday. They're running a new version of Coda. Like half the tracks cut off. Most of these got the layout they're running this weekend has never been run before by any race car ever in the history of Coda. They don't have it on. Denny Hamlin and Noah Gragson talked about. They don't have it on sim. So, like on sim, there's no reference points of anything of the turn number 6A that, like, you make this big left or right hand or whatever it is. They don't have any visuals on sim yet. They don't know what that is yet. They don't know what it looks like. Coda's been a disaster of a race. [00:59:27] Speaker B: Since they put it. [00:59:28] Speaker A: I feel like I'm just sitting on everything right now. But like Coda, okay, I used to love road courses as we all did, but like, even now of like road course racing and if this new outlet layout of Coda is different, that's fine. But like Dakota, they've ran since 2021, has been a brutal watch. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, brutal. I mean outside of the one rain race just because it was such a. [00:59:57] Speaker A: Everywhere people are just true. X is on top of cold Custer and you can't see it. It's like NASCAR wants to talk about safety. We can't throw a caution on the last lap but we're going to let them race in the pouring down rain at Cota where they got straightaways for. [01:00:12] Speaker B: The first as long as the first. [01:00:13] Speaker A: 5 times 24 west outbound in Nashville. It's like come on now. Like yeah, here again, no consistency. The title of this podcast should be called no consistency all the way around. But anyways, off of that I did want to talk about Coda for a second, make some picks like who we think is going. [01:00:33] Speaker B: Oh yeah, absolutely. What's the rain forecasting? Coda. That's going to be your number one thing because that's going to change everything. [01:00:41] Speaker A: Despite today is my mom's birthday and she told me like please y'all do a segment about pics for Coda. [01:00:48] Speaker B: Oh heck. [01:00:49] Speaker A: So that's what we're. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Happy birthday Brandy have texted you earlier but happy birthday again. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Me and mom talked on the phone for about 30 minutes on my way over here a while ago. [01:00:58] Speaker B: Oh dude. It's going to be 76 and sunny. It's going to be a perfect day for racing. [01:01:02] Speaker A: I still think my pics are about to the same as they would have been so I'm thinking so SVG lock. [01:01:11] Speaker B: Zillage, is he in the cup race? [01:01:14] Speaker A: First ever, 18 years old, top 10. I'm just saying he's going to run good unless he screws up. So svg SVG Zillage Almondinger. Going to be awesome seeing all those three race together. What would you say about that Colleague sucks. So yeah, dude, yes, yes. [01:01:35] Speaker B: That's, that's really it. I mean that's all I can base this off. That's why that noise came out of me when you said Almond because I want to agree with you so bad, dude. [01:01:45] Speaker A: I just wonder if I want to. [01:01:47] Speaker B: Be able to bet on him and feel good about it. But I don't even know if I can bet on him and feel good about it because I haven't seen. Let me tell you why regular racetrack. [01:01:56] Speaker A: Let me tell you who tough anytime these road course guys go to a new spot that other guy other cup guys haven't been to, they're always the ones that know how far they can push it and all this. And since half the track is brand new, I feel like Zillage that's svg all the dinger are going to be the first three to like, figure it out because they're going to know how deep and how hard and how fast to go in those situations. So that's my reasoning behind those three. Tyler Reddick is my fourth also. This is the first time I've ever drank a Monster Beast. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you broke out the Monster Beast. [01:02:36] Speaker A: Actually like kind of enjoyed it. Like Caleb said, I wouldn't drink like, you know, 12 of them, but I did enjoy the one I had. And I think my fifth pick is going to be Byron. [01:02:56] Speaker B: Just a tough one. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Almondinger, Reddick, Byron. Mom. Write those down. [01:03:02] Speaker B: I like it. [01:03:03] Speaker A: So Caleb, hit them with yours. [01:03:05] Speaker B: I'm trying to find one stat real quick. Give me one second. Because I really want to see about one driver in particular that I've been very impressed with this year so far. Far. But I want to see what his stats are at Coda. Josh Berry being who I'm talking about in that 21 car. [01:03:27] Speaker A: I would never bet on him on a road course. [01:03:29] Speaker B: That's. Well, that's the thing. [01:03:30] Speaker A: Your money to do it I that well. [01:03:32] Speaker B: I'm just thinking of like a top 10 met or something that's going to be like a bit of an outlier, but somebody that was worth like at least looking out for. Just in general, I guess, kind of the point I'm trying to make is just in general. I have loved watching Josh berry run that 21 car up front ever since he got in it. And I'm just gonna let that ride for just a moment. [01:03:53] Speaker A: That helps because we've been at two plate tracks and that plate tracks and flat short tracks are where Penske excels. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:01] Speaker A: So. And as soon as he gets in a Penske car, I'm not. I think Josh Berry is a great race car. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:04:06] Speaker A: But that's what I'm saying is car there. He's going to do great things. [01:04:09] Speaker B: How many times it done that outside of the one random time it did it last year? [01:04:14] Speaker A: Well, look at the drivers in the cars. [01:04:16] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying is I want to keep an eye out on him going forward. I would love to see him get 101 for him. [01:04:23] Speaker A: Me too. But I just think his road course racing ability and I've heard him say it. So that's only. That's another reason I'm saying I will agree with that. [01:04:33] Speaker B: That's why I wanted to look up the stats of how he's done at Coda. Just in general, before I'm assuming not good. He's got a top 10 in Xfinity, but that's all I was able to pull in this short amount of time. I was thinking about this, but to be honest, my picks kind of line up with yours, at least for, you know, your SVGs. Almond Dinger. I'm. I'm just on the fence because of the team he's driving for. I agree with you. It's a new layout. It's a new track. He's going to be one of the guys that's going to figure it out faster. Yeah, but figuring it out does not make your car go faster in a straight line. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Totally. [01:05:08] Speaker B: The two people I think I'm going to be watching out for is like a solid pick for someone I think you do well is one Kyle Larson. Honestly, I think he can go out here and nail that track because he has it figured out on all the other parts that he's already familiar with. [01:05:25] Speaker A: And he's a good. [01:05:26] Speaker B: And he's a good road racer, and he's got the talent to be able to figure it out fast enough that it will make sense for him by the end of the race. I think he's going to be somebody to watch out for. And the other one, this is going to be a real oddball thing that you never thought you'd ever hear on the Razorride racing podcast, but I really think you ought to watch out for Ty Gibbs. I think I think he could manage to come out here and do something crazy. Now, by crazy, do I mean I think he's going to get his first win at Coda on the new track? I don't think so. But Ty Gibbs has proven that he can enter into a road course that he's uncomfortable with and do well in it. And we saw that in Xfinity when in his very first outing at the Daytona road course. And he's got a couple other little wins, or really good runs specifically. He's done well. So I'm gonna say watch out for him. I'm not gonna call him as my winner favorite, but I will call him for like a top 10, top tie, top five kind of outlier bet that may be, like, some good value. But, man, if you're going to ask me to pick who's going to actually win this race, I think SVG is going to be my number one. [01:06:40] Speaker A: He all day long talking about Colleague. He can go out there like Chicago in these places. He ran last year when he ran in the cup series for Colleague, and his car is the fastest yeah. Which in general, he is the rawest, most talented road course guy that we have always had these road course ringers or whatever, and they've never just, like, lived up to the expectation he bust through those doors. And he is so fucking good. And if they would have had some new era hats, like, I like the best VGs this past weekend, I would have bought one. And I saw. I saw a few people wearing SVG shirts and SVG hats and Atlanta. I think he's very popular, and I think as he keeps racing, he is so, like, he's not. He's not. What's the. He's. He. He is very appreciative about how awesome this all is. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Absolutely. And he's the one person I think has a smile on his face even when he gets wrecked. [01:07:38] Speaker A: People love that. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:40] Speaker A: And he's never once, like, just. I just feel like he's such a straight shooter, like, in an interview. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:47] Speaker A: And I feel like people love that about him. And I just see, like, every year he races, his popularity, like, going up. I can say I'm a fan. I'm a big SVG guy. I've said that before on this podcast. If he goes out there Sunday and WINS in that 88 car, I also love how it's red, white, and blue. Like, I love everything about it. The chrome numbers, like, all the stuff. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Anything red, white, and blue looks great. Yeah, that's a good example. [01:08:13] Speaker A: This has really nothing to do with anything we were just talking about, except you bringing out Ty Gibbs. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker A: I wanted to bring this up, though. So in the last, like, couple years of going to these races, I have not noticed Ty Gibbs getting much. Any boos, any cheers? Just kind of been in the middle, Right. Atlanta driver intros happen. He gets booed like hell, and I'm like, okay, this is different. This hasn't happened before. He comes around, and when he wrecks the first time in the big wreck and the tow links broke, he drives the whole car around the track crooked like this. When he goes down pit road, there's some cheers. Like, people were cheering a little bit because he's wrecked, you know, whatever. So he wrecks again. When he blows the tire, hits the wall, his race is over. So he has to get hauled back on the. On the trail, on the. On the hook. Place went fucking nuts. And I was like, holy shit, dude. Like, I'm talking about up there with, like, Joey Logano booze. Like, Joey. If I was making, like, a list, Joey had number one. Me and Lindsey both agreed he had the biggest, loudest booze. Bubba, he's always up there. Ty Gibbs, big booze. The most noise, though, of the whole. I mean, all 38 drivers, 39 drivers. How many of the word. The most noise between booze and cheers. Kyle Busch not even chased being his hometown track. Larson, like a lot of the big guys that get a lot of cheers. Yeah, I mean, just loud between booze and cheers. When he won Saturday, no booze, just. I mean, the whole place was cheering. [01:09:46] Speaker B: That's awesome. [01:09:46] Speaker A: When he got introduced on Saturday for the truck race, it was hilarious. I don't think one person made a single noise for any driver in the whole field. He gets introduced, he gets introduced, cheers. The whole place cheered. [01:10:01] Speaker B: It's so true. It makes so much sense with the way that these truck drivers are just complete unknowns. They're nobody complete unknowns to everybody. And nobody watches half the time. I mean, I barely paid attention to the truck. [01:10:13] Speaker A: All the viewerships. All the viewership has went up this year a little bit from each race. Truck series just went down. Both races. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Wonder why. [01:10:21] Speaker A: Well, the broadcast were so sick. [01:10:23] Speaker B: Ferocious won the broadcast. Yeah, it's so. [01:10:26] Speaker A: They don't even know. Like, they don't even know. I don't even know if they know they're at a race, honestly. And then on top of that, there's just. Actually, I'm not the race. It had the racing at both races, Daytona and Atlanta. I watched Daytona race, pretty good race, watched Atlanta race, pretty solid race. And they didn't wreck like idiots. So, like, I'm gonna give them that. Even though their viewerships down. Whatever, yada, yada, yada. The viewerships down is because the broadcast is atrocious. [01:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [01:10:57] Speaker A: It's awful. [01:10:58] Speaker B: It's between the broadcast and the fact that the truck series just generally has a reputation of being Arcade Part two. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:11:05] Speaker B: But I'm just. [01:11:06] Speaker A: They've done well so far. [01:11:07] Speaker B: Booth, this is not helping. Yeah. [01:11:10] Speaker A: Oh, did you talk about casual fans? No. Casual bastard is listening to that broadcast. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Man. [01:11:17] Speaker A: If I didn't know what was going on, I just flipped through. I'd be like, there's not. I don't even know if they know. Yeah, I don't know if I would be listening. I'd be like, I don't know if the people that are telling me this stuff or know what's going on. So, like, I'm definitely out. I don't know what's going on either. So I'm out. [01:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I just. I feel so bad for all three of Them that are up there, is it two of them or three of them? I can't even remember. This race was, to be honest, Jamie. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Little Kevin Harvick, Joey Logano. [01:11:41] Speaker B: I mean, Harvick can do fine. Logano can do fine. [01:11:48] Speaker A: Or maybe that was the truck. I think, actually, I'm lying to you. That was the Daytona race and Atlanta was Logano Keselowski. So two guys that race for a living, that don't do tv, along with a woman who does great, phenomenal job at pit road, but her being the play by play person, that's just kind of like there's no jail. I don't know. It's just awful all the way around. [01:12:10] Speaker B: It is. I could. Couldn't agree more. But. [01:12:12] Speaker A: But anyways. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Dang. Well, I guess we're getting about to the end of this, so we're gonna need a hack of the week. [01:12:17] Speaker A: We're. [01:12:18] Speaker B: We gotta come up with a couple. I feel like we've. All we've done is to read about our hacks, so. [01:12:24] Speaker A: Oh, man. Hack of the week from Atlanta, I'd reckon. [01:12:34] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, maybe the. [01:12:35] Speaker A: Maybe the guy that blew the kitty litter into their cars. That was solid. Also, I'm this. I don't. I'm sorry. Both of these in the truck race. Second hack of the week, though, involves kitty. Later. Kitty litter. Okay. So apparently, and I went back and heard this on the broadcast, they call it immediately, Joey Logano is talking about Raja when he wrecked. He's like, when a car gets loose, it like gradually comes out from under him. He's like, something's going. Something's wrong with that car. Something's on the track. They talk about it just jumping out from under him. And that big wreck happened. So come to find out there was a car leaking oil around the whole track. And that's why, okay, I'm listening to the whole radio and everything. No one has any clue why there's. NASCAR doesn't like relay the message to anyone as to why there is. I mean, when I say the whole track is covered, I mean, I posted on Twitter, I sent it to you, everybody. I was like, I don't know what's going. I'm listening to the radio. I don't know what's going on. They don't know what's going on. But they have covered this whole entire track in speedy drop. I mean, the whole thing. And everyone's like, what's going on? And before it even happens, Kyle Busch sees all the speedy guy. I go down, he was like, can you please tell them not to blow this. In these cars we don't have our outside windows. Like please tell them before they do this, 10, 15 minutes go by. Just takes them out with it. And I mean they got those things are blowing how many miles like I. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Mean it's a jet engine. It's pushing. [01:14:12] Speaker A: When you're getting blasted with speedy drive that fast, I assume it feels like getting hit by rocks. [01:14:18] Speaker B: Well, I'm not sure they'd even feel it. I feel like they just have to breathe it more than anything. Well, they were all fire suit. [01:14:23] Speaker A: They had guys had their visors open and stuff. Guess guys in their drinks and their. Their eyes were burning like no, if you're gonna do it like one just don't do it. But if you're gonna do it like, hey, we're coming by like closure lid like. [01:14:38] Speaker B: Or tell the. Tell the guys running the damn jet dryers. We're gonna run them up turn one to turn two up until we get to the driver, let the cars around and we're gonna go out into the other. Yeah, but one way or another to let the cars get out of the way. Like call up momentary caution just to relocate the trucks. [01:14:56] Speaker A: All you gotta do is keep rolling. [01:14:57] Speaker B: Forward turn three and just let them stop in the corner just so that way they can get out of your damn way. That's so dumb. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Yeah, those are my like two. [01:15:06] Speaker B: I got my hack of the week. [01:15:08] Speaker A: Cool. [01:15:08] Speaker B: Justin Algier did not take the racing line away from the 21 car. And that was the dumbest non move I've ever seen. Made my entire. [01:15:16] Speaker A: He's been roasted for that too. [01:15:17] Speaker B: I believe it. [01:15:18] Speaker A: I want to know what Dale Jr. Said to him. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Well, behind closed doors all guy made the point of. I just thought I'd get a better push. I don't give a damn about your better push from your crappy teammate. Dude, you know what? I care about getting in front of the fastest car in the field. Because I'd rather have the fastest car in the field wreck me for the win or push me to the wind or try to outdo me for the win than to ever have the argument made that I did not make the move that could have won me the race. I would rather you have jumped up there nine times out of 10 because he was obvious that he was going to be your favorite. And it's been so prevalent they were talking about it the whole broadcast. So you don't need anybody on your outside. You've got to be on the inside or on the Outside of whoever it is. And you stayed down there. I mean, that's. My fingers were on fire texting you about that. The moment that it happened, I didn't even give it a second to get around to turn three. I was already like, that was dumb. He's gonna lose. He lost. It was over. That's hack of the wheat material right there. That is just making stupid moves. As a champion and the most experienced driver in the field, I don't know. I don't know how you don't make that move. Austin Hill just. He's got it figured out in a way that even Justin Allgaier doesn't have it figured out. And that just tells you everything you need to know about the future of both of those drivers. I love Justin, and I'm not the biggest Austin Hill fan. I love who Justin is as a person, but damn moves and non moves like that tell you everything you need to know. I mean, what are you supposed to do whenever the fastest car doesn't even get passed by the guy that has the best chance to beat him? That's hack of the week material. You win. [01:16:59] Speaker A: There you go. [01:16:59] Speaker B: The Rusty Crown. [01:17:02] Speaker A: Well, first podcast of the year. [01:17:06] Speaker B: I love it. [01:17:06] Speaker A: Hopefully we get another one done after code on Monday. [01:17:09] Speaker B: That's what I'm hoping for. My fingers are crossed. [01:17:12] Speaker A: It's officially dark in here. We love y'all. This will probably come out tomorrow, if I had to guess. Maybe tonight if we get it to Burrell quick enough. [01:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. Depending on if they're busy or not. [01:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah, y'all go follow Ray's Rowdy Racing. You can follow me on all the platforms. Dawson Edwards music. Got some new music coming out. Yeah. March 14th. [01:17:33] Speaker B: So let's go. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Let's go. Okay, let's get that. Well, I don't know. That's new, so I'm not gonna drop that for you. [01:17:38] Speaker B: No, I'll be. I'll be putting music here really soon. [01:17:42] Speaker A: He said it. [01:17:43] Speaker B: It's right around the corner and it's. We're announcing it to two people, so I'm fine. [01:17:48] Speaker A: My mom and Randy. [01:17:49] Speaker B: Randy and probably one of us when we re. Listen to this later. But. No, we appreciate y'all listening. You can find me on Instagram, Tick tock, all the places at Caleb Khan. Rowdy, if you want to find out when I'm drinking, just watch my Twitter to start firing off. That's how you know I've got a couple beers running through me. I may tweet later on today, but. Yeah, you can find us everywhere and go ahead and give us all a follow. We love to update you with new music, new NASCAR news, and we'll be going back to work for old Travis Tritt here in about a month, too, so we'll be posting some updates about that. But in the meantime, y'all go wish Dawson's mom a happy birthday. She deserves it. She's an awesome woman. Great family. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Love you, Mom. [01:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah, Everybody over there is some of my favorite people in the entire world, except for their son, Dawson Edwards. That guy just tolerate him for an hour a week on a Monday, and then I ignore him for six days out of the week outside of that. But other than that, thank y'all for listening. We appreciate y'all, and y'all have a good rest of yalls. Whatever day it is. Today, Tuesday. [01:18:50] Speaker A: See y'all. I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black it ain't got a big white number three turning left around a track but you, you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away these good years can't handle dirt don't need no curs with banks what I lack in horses I make up with 4x4 I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door Checker the record my rapid hammered on the gas I'm making my way to you, girl Earn hard fast.