Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: This is Ray's Rowdy Racing with.
[00:00:07] Speaker A: Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards.
What up, everybody? Welcome to an off season edition of Ray's Roddy Racing here with Dawson and Ike right now. Ike, how are you, sir?
[00:00:23] Speaker C: I'm good, I'm good. How are you?
[00:00:25] Speaker A: I'm good. Caleb. Caleb Conrad, he's going to be joining us here in about 15 minutes. He's running a little.
We're just going to kind of have like an off season little conversation about new drivers, our favorite moments of the year, some of the lawsuit stuff, probably just kind of whatever comes up. I feel like we might do a few of these in the off season and also think it'd be cool again this year to do a. We did a little preseason Thunder episode for this 24 season. We could probably do something like that, you know, before. Before Daytona rolls around for next season. So, yeah, I think it'll be. Y'all can look forward to, I don't know, a few of these throughout the year. If anything crazy pops up or anything like that, I think it'll give us something cool to talk about. I also think it'd be cool.
This is Burrell and Yalls idea, but like kind of an episode, like. I don't know if you call it like a history episode, but like our favorite moments ever. Maybe some of our, like, favorite Daytona moments, Talladega moment, you know, just stuff like that. Maybe some of our favorite moments of like going to races and stuff.
But yeah, just kind of keeping. I know most nascar. Most NASCAR podcasts kind of shut down, you know, in the off season. So kind of just having a couple little things to throw at y'all for the next, you know, we only got like two months. Really.
Yeah, not even two months, dude. We're already like halfway through now.
[00:01:53] Speaker C: We'll be at December Graham before we know it.
[00:01:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's crazy.
That's only. That's probably like the, what, the first. Last week of January, first week of February, something like that.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: I mean, did you see the pictures of them putting the safer barriers up there?
[00:02:06] Speaker A: I did. I did the same ones in the Coliseum. I saw the old people getting mad about it.
[00:02:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Leave it to the old people to get mad about driver safety.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I.
Have you ever been to Bowman Gray?
[00:02:20] Speaker C: I have not.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: It's. Have you been always. No, it's been on my bucket list even before this whole NASCAR stuff coming. It's just always been like, so popular, you know, it's been popular forever, but especially since, like, you know, in the last.
I'VE had. I feel like I've been pretty involved in the NASCAR Tour de World for a good like eight to 10 years, you know, and just like that's where I learned more about all these like awesome races that happen that, you know, I didn't necessarily know about, you know, before the Internet, I would really had no way to know about them because they happen, you know, all over the country.
But stuff like the Chili bowl, the, the Snowball Derby, the Snowflake, the. Obviously I've known about the All American 400 for a long time because that's the one that happens in Nashville.
But Bowman Gray is one of those things that I really learned a lot about from the Internet, you know, from Twitter and just like seeing all the videos from there like every single week and flow, I think they broadcast there like every single week. And then the fact that a local short Track can sell 17,000 tickets every single Saturday night is mind boggling to me.
[00:03:37] Speaker C: And if 17,000, like NASCAR declining for that to be able to hold strong, I know craz.
[00:03:45] Speaker A: So I feel like for that place to sell 17,000 tickets every single week, there's, it's something to be seen in person. So it's been on my list to go for a long time. So one of these days I'm going to make it out to Winston Salem and check that out.
[00:04:00] Speaker C: It looks super cool. I was looking at tickets for the Clash and everything, but they're expensive.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I figured it would have been.
[00:04:07] Speaker C: A cool trip though. I mean, I wish I'd gone to LA and seen it in the Coliseum just for the spectacle.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:13] Speaker C: But I think, I mean Bowman Gray is almost a similar track.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:17] Speaker C: To the track they had built in the Coliseum. So I don't think the racing is going to be that much different. But yeah, the atmosphere there and going on a night when they have, you know, an actual Bowman Gray short track race, you know, with the drivers there and the craziness, I think it would definitely be a sight to see.
[00:04:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
Do you think we see any of that craziness come out from the drivers just because it's, because it is Bowman Gray?
[00:04:39] Speaker C: I don't know, I think they'd be scared of getting penalized by NASCAR before the season starts.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:45] Speaker C: But I think we might see like some nods to it. A couple like fake outs or like, you know, some, some kind of tongue in cheek, but I don't know if we'll see anyone actually lose it on anybody.
[00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I kind of hope, you know, there's some crazy stuff that happens at Bowman Gray. But. Yeah, and I mean, we've seen.
[00:05:02] Speaker C: We've seen similar, you know, like with Denny and Kyle Larson, we've seen similar moments happen in nascar. I've seen helmet throws. We've seen.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:10] Speaker C: Or was it Bowman? Who was it when Denny drove his car into this?
[00:05:14] Speaker A: They're in the barn.
[00:05:16] Speaker C: That's a Bowman Gray kind of style moment.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:18] Speaker C: So it's definitely possible, but in the Clash, I don't think, you know, tempers aren't gonna flare. Probably.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: You know, they, you know, just to be honest, they didn't sell, you know, Bowman or the Coliseum is massive. I think the Buck Coliseum holds like 70 or 80,000 people, you know, for, for football and such, and NASCAR is just not going to sell 80,000 tickets in LA. And so me personally and I have this opinion about a lot of racetracks, not just the Bowman Gray situation, but having 17,000 people there right on top of each other. It's going to make. It's going to. The atmosphere, that's going to feel awesome. You know, that's the same at any other racetrack. You know, they've taken some stands out and really got the atmosphere kind of back in a way. Instead of having 250,000 seats with 100,000 people in them, just having 100,000 seats with 100,000 People in them is a lot cooler to me.
So the atmosphere, I really do think the Clash is going to be like, pretty lit having. And you're like, you're right there on top of, you know, it's. You're right there, so it's going to be pretty lit.
[00:06:28] Speaker C: I think that is such a big factor too, with how aggressively the drivers are going to race because they, you know, it's already hard to feel the crowd from inside the car. And then when everyone's spread throughout the Coliseum or spread throughout empty stands, you know, like you're saying Indy or wherever. It definitely, I'm sure, you know, like, obviously you're a competitor and you're going to be racing, but, like, when you have that extra level of motivation and you feel the people, that will, you know, hopefully lead to more aggressive racing and some more excitement.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it will. And like I said, you know, people are right there on top of them. So it's going to be.
Not necessarily people throwing stuff at them, but it's like, I feel like that'll be almost happen, you know, kind of great.
[00:07:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: I was at. Me and my dad were at Talladega when Jeff Gordon had all the beer cans thrown at Him.
[00:07:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Back in the day, I was like. I think that was like, 04. I was like 8 years old. My dad, he. It's at the end of the race, you know, and, like, no one left. Like, it wasn't. You know, how normally the race is over, people are. You know, they're starting to leave and, like, nobody left. And, you know, just hearing like a full. Just right by your head, dad. My dad turned around, looked at me. He was like. He was like, just sit down. He. And he kind of hovered over me. He's like, this is gonna get wild. And I was like. And it did. I mean, just seeing what you remember.
[00:07:41] Speaker C: Though, I mean, that's like, yeah, yeah, definitely. Great.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: Caleb just texted and said he'll be on in just a second. So we barely even got into this before.
[00:07:51] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: He's hopping on here.
[00:07:53] Speaker C: That's good news for all of our listeners who are sick of us already. They're like, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: But, yeah, so let's go in. Let's. So let's dive in here to some of these new drivers and new places. How about that?
[00:08:10] Speaker C: Yeah, we got a lot of changes coming up this year, driver wise and team wise.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Also, the Clash is on February 2nd. I was wondering. So it's close to the end of December, so they'll do February 2nd. The Super bowl will be February 9th, I assume, and then Daytona 500 to 16th, and they'll qualify and do all that duels and all that stuff the week of, you know, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th will be all of that stuff.
But, yes, let's talk about new faces and new places for 20, 25.
[00:08:44] Speaker C: Yeah, there is a lot of them.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: What is your. Before we go through the whole list, because I really do want to talk about some of this.
What's kind of your most surprising? Most excited, I guess I should say.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: I think the most surprising. Okay, well, most surprising for me now is riley hertz joining 2311 in a third car. Just because of all the lawsuit and everything, it seems like a weird time for Denny to try to add the third team. Yeah, like, I get it, and I get that's part of the reason the lawsuit's happening. But also, I don't know, I feel like for a guy who is, you know, supposedly so anti NASCAR right now and fighting them on trying to make it more team friendly, it seems weird that he would be investing to that third car and adding, you know, more money and more time and more, just more, I guess, momentum to the sport through that. I think it's cool. I Think it's great. Yeah. But I do think it's just. That surprises me just because of where he's at with NASCAR right now.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Yeah. It seems too like Denny. Denny's not afraid or like, doesn't hate investing in nascar. He wants. But he also wants, like, NASCAR to invest in him. Yeah. Like, the teams, you know, like, respect.
[00:09:59] Speaker C: To him for putting his money first and being like, I'm willing to go in on this and I'm willing to really grow with the sport. And, you know, I don't blame him for wanting to see it in return.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah, totally.
[00:10:10] Speaker C: I don't know. Herbst is a good driver. I don't know if that's who I would have thought they would pick for that car.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:18] Speaker C: But I do think he comes with some funding.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: That's the biggest thing.
[00:10:22] Speaker C: That's probably the biggest thing. And he's shown talent. You know, he's looked decent in Xfinity.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's his. When he started out in Xfinity, it was. It was brutal at first. And then it's, you know, gradually he's gotten better. He's got a couple wins. And then, like, you know, I give it to him. Those race. That race at Indianapolis, like, where he's like sliding and making the pass for the lead. Like all that's really cool. But I'm with you. I would. If you're going off of.
And I think everybody would agree with this. If you're going off, like, pure talent, I don't know if Riley Hearst gets that ride.
[00:10:59] Speaker C: No. But that's not where we're at with the sport right now.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: True. And I compare it, you know, when he.
I think it's going to be a major uphill battle for him in the cup series. Just because I saw the battle he had, you know, in the Xfinity series when he got started out, I think it's going to be obviously 10 times his worst. Just, you know, getting started in the cup series. The cup series is so much, you know, harder and just everything about it and like even a guy like who I. I'm not. I'm not a fan of by any means, but I think he's very talented. Ty Gibbs. To see someone as talented as him come into the cup series into a Joe Gibbs ride, you know, not a brand new ride, a really, you know, a great team, you know, obviously his name's on the door, but like, even he's had a big two year learning curve in this. And like, if someone like Elliot had.
[00:11:51] Speaker C: A big learning curve, you know, Everyone does.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: So I think that rally will definitely. He'll fall into that, as, you know, as well, 100.
[00:12:00] Speaker C: And I think we got to remember too, like, this team as a whole, obviously it's a new car. It's the first time they're running three cars, but this whole team is still relatively new.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:08] Speaker C: And they've shown a lot of speed, but they still have a long way to go before they're competing week in and week out, you know, with the big ones.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: That's a Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
What up, dog?
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Here I am, here I be repping homies with zips that start with three.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: We are. All we have talked about so far is the clash being at Bowman Gray and how we both want to go to Bowman Gray.
[00:12:34] Speaker B: Oh, dude, Absolutely. I want to see a fist fight and I want to see 15 wrecked cars in a 14 car field.
[00:12:40] Speaker C: We'll get a sponsor to go send us down there. We'll do some podcast content. At Bowman Gray, if there was a.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: Sensor button, this whole podcast would sound like beep.
After that.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: We talked about that and then we have a link in the group chat. We're going to kind of go through all the.
All the moves first and foremost here, like all the moves from the year, mainly cup series, and maybe throw in a couple of Xfinity and truck guys and maybe not any truck guys because I don't really know anything about those guys, to be honest.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And this cracks me up because this page just keeps going on and on because it's so ridiculous how much change this year.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: So we were kind of starting out here with like our most surprising move that we thought. I was saying rally Herfs, you know, coming into 2311 and with the lawsuit and, you know, all that stuff, seems.
[00:13:37] Speaker C: Like a weird time for them to add a third. Yeah, that's just the surprising part to me.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: Absolutely. That makes total sense. Well, it doesn't make any sense, but it makes sense why it's your most surprising move, for sure.
Golly.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: I have a couple. So the most surprising thing that came out of nowhere for me was like Justin Haley back to Spire and also doing it in the middle of the season. That was like. I think Spire was just like done with Corey Lajoie. He just. Just, you know, all the Corey Lajoie things that happened this year just kind of put that nail in the coffin, I think. Yeah, I know. He. He helped, like, get that team started, obviously, but, man, he just had a rough year and he. Every rough problem he had Was his own fault. And I think that was like a big part of why that switch happened. And I also think Justin Haley's a hell of a race car driver. And I think that we that out even more when he got put in Rick Ware cars and freaking ran Rick ware cars in the top 10. You know, for the first time ever. I feel like that's a very.
[00:14:40] Speaker C: Yeah. And he has a couple in. I mean, it was a rain win, but he. He does own a couple.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: Well, everybody praises bub Wallace's rain so much. So I think should be talked about. I think rainwind should be talked about more since they're so talked about nowadays.
But. So that was surprising, I guess. But let's see. One of the most.
I know we're going to go through this whole list, but here's my other one. I thought it was weird.
I thought it was weird. So into 23, when Track House makes this huge deal about signing Zane Smith, he's coming off of of truck series championships and being in the final four. I think three years straight. Like, he was just hot on the block. You know, they make all. They make this. It was a huge deal. You know, like, we were. He was. We were not. We were. But he was at all the. They had. They bid this big whole thing in the garage with all the track house stuff. You know, it's like a big deal. Big signing. And then he doesn't even ever make it into a. Never touches a trackhouse car in any series and he's already let go.
And supposedly he's going to front row. They don't have that.
That's not even for sure yet. Even at whatever today's date is, it's not even sure that he's going to front row. But I thought that was like, super weird.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Everything I just said I thought was super weird. To make like a huge deal about it. Get like the hottest kid on the block and then he never even touched your seat of your car. So that was like, pretty odd.
[00:16:15] Speaker C: That is really weird.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: I remember how big of a deal that was too, when it all got announced. I mean, it was on every podcast. Everybody was trying to disseminate the contract and how it all shake out. And I think everybody kind of knew it was going to be like one of three. One of these three guys will be our guy. But we're only. We only have room for two of them. So out of those three guys, the Shane, the Zane Smith, and the Suarez and whoever else was in that little circle. It was almost like y'all are trying for a third spot here, so keep your heads up. And I mean, I give it, I give it to you. It is surprising that they made such a big deal about it. But I mean, he definitely. He had moments where he looked good and then most of the season, I mean it was just kind of mid tier, mid lackluster kind of stuff. But I mean, when you're in a weird contract spot like that, it's like, obviously you should try to do good every week. So I'm not. It's no excuse, but it makes you wonder, like, how in was he ever. Or was this all just publicity just so that way they thought they looked like he was going to do something.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. His year started out horrible and then from Nashville on when he got that second place finish in Nashville through all the 18 overtimes, there's a stat out there. Like his average finish from Daytona 500 to Nashville was like awful. And then from Nashville to the end of the year was actually like pretty solid. So he. It was kind of a weird year all the way together for Zane. But man, just to be. Think you're going to track house and then go to front row, which I don't think front rows no slouch anymore. I'm not anymore. They did a lot this year. So I'm not like completely shitting on front. I'm not shitting on what happened or where he's going. If he's like. Even on this article it says he could head to front row. And I've seen articles on Twitter like, it's just not even for sure yet. So no one really knows where he's going. And supposedly Kevin Harvick, I believe, talked about this, but like, apparently he kind of pissed some people at Ford off going from the Ford to Chevrolet thing. And it was kind of like just, you know, forgot about the whole, you know, what got him here because he was a Ford developmental driver his whole career up until this season when this whole contract thing happened. And it kind of seems that Ford was like kind of apprehensive on even having him back. And I feel like that's still kind of like a. The roadblock in this situation.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Man, that's just such a shame.
OEMs get in the way of contract negotiations and plate racing being good.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think there's more money that OEMs have in NASCAR than we could ever imagine. And I think that's why they. There's more money in it now than ever. And I think that's why they have such a voice when back in the day there wasn't one.
[00:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: You never heard about that back in the day. Really.
[00:19:07] Speaker C: And now all these teams trying to be their primary, you know, the primary team of each manufacturer. And it's just like if you sign Zane Smith, who knows, maybe Ford's telling them they're like, you're not going to be our primary team if you got Zane.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:20] Speaker C: Not, not that front row would be. But, you know, it's that kind of vibe. Like, I don't know, it's hard to say.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: And you're right in the middle of a giant lawsuit and you're not even sure if you were able to get the charter or not. And the question marks just remaining up in the air around that entire organization. I mean, I totally behind him and I'm here for him doing all that. But it definitely doesn't make it any easier with them signing new drivers, trying to get her. Get them into a new ride, trying to put old drivers in new places. And I don't know, it's just such a mess right now. This is. I mean, we could talk about it 16 ways from Sunday, but it just doesn't stop being the weirdest season of all time. I mean, 2024 has been the biggest topsy turvy event in NASCAR history as far as I'm concerned.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah. I just, I do want to say I'm a big fan though, of Bob Jenkins who owns front Row because he is like he's your old school, just kind of put your money where your mouth is. Kind of NASCAR Cup Series owner, you know, like he didn't make his money. He's not a, he's a millionaire, but he's not loaded. He loves racing and he's put everything into this to be what I think here soon is going to be a really good Cup Series program. So like, props to him for sticking it out this long and kind of also kind of getting under the Denny Hamlin, Michael Jordan wing of all this and like, hey, we'll stand up with you and we'll fight this with you. Like I kind of like just the underdog, scrappy, do anything mentality that he's had like his whole entire career because front row's been a thing since I was like a kid, since we were all kids. It was, you know, like early 2000.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: And it wasn't until this year till Michael McDowell can put him on the front row every other damn race.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: It seemed like most polls in. The. Most polls in the, in nascar this.
[00:21:10] Speaker C: Year, which is, dude, how weird is it going to be to see someone else in that.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: Somebody else in the 34. I'm going to call them Michael McDowell for probably two years before I ever finally get it fully right.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Now, though, too, for like sticking with him, you know, all these years because he talked on, I think it was Junior's podcast or something. Like, he was never.
He could never sign more than a year deal, like, he stuck with, because, like, they just never knew what was going to happen. Like, all the things, like, they don't have the money to be like, yeah, we're going to just, you know, have you for five years and 20 million or whatever. It's just been a year by year deal with his whole, whole career. And props to him for sticking it out. And two, I heard a lot of people say, too. That's why he's like, Michael McDowell's older now and he wanted some stability, so he got a stability top contract at Spire. Yeah. So props to Michael McDowell for sticking it out, getting a couple wins, Daytona 500 and a shit ton of poles, and, you know, being there for the whole ride. You know, it's pretty cool story all the way around.
[00:22:16] Speaker C: Talk about one of the best guys in the garage, too. I mean, Ashlyn was saying when she was at NASCAR, like, media day, he brought his 500 ring in and let all the, you know, camera people, all the production people wear it, try it on and take pictures with him and his kids with it. Like, that's just cool. He just, he just seems like a great guy who just loves to.
[00:22:32] Speaker B: Yeah, super chill, dude. I mean, you just don't get any better than him winning the 500 and coming out being like, I don't even know how many more races I was going to have and I'd never won before. I was just starting to think that racing, like winning a race was never going to be in the cards for me. And then gets him that one, gets him another one same year, then his other win.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: He talk about a guy that's just.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: Going out with a bang right now. I mean, I know he's not anywhere. He's not trying to retire tomorrow, but, like, he's been around for a while, so I guess.
[00:23:03] Speaker C: He'S gonna have a chance to do something with fire.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he runs well. I think he does run well at Spire. And props to him for, you know, getting the retirement bag for whenever it happens and kind of like you said, just, you know, having a great nascar. Solid NASCAR career.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: All right, Caleb, what's your. What's your, like, most surprising one before we dive into, like, all of them?
You look very confused.
[00:23:32] Speaker C: He's surprised by a lot of them.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Caleb, can you hear us?
I think we've lost Caleb.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: I think so.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: He's.
[00:23:44] Speaker C: I bet you. I bet you.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Oh, my God. When I said, you look confused, I didn't realize he couldn't hear us.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: I bet you he's gonna say the 88 coming out of retirement as a track house number.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Oh, he said, I can't hear anything. One second.
Oh, God.
Okay. Right when we ask Caleb a question, he. He falls out.
[00:24:07] Speaker C: Typical. Typical.
[00:24:10] Speaker A: I'll tell you one. I'll tell you one that I'm really excited about that I didn't necessarily see coming, but I'm excited about it. Is chase Briscoe to the 19.
[00:24:19] Speaker C: Mm. I think he's gonna dominate. I don't know. Well, dominate dominates a strong word, but, yeah, I think he's gonna look really strong in that car.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Yes, me too. And I'm a big.
I'm a big fan of dirt racing. So him. Him being, you know, dirt guy and kind of changing Joe Gibbs mind on dirt racing, it seems. And because, you know, I don't. He, like, wouldn't let his guys race dirt and all that now.
Bell and Briscoe and Kurt Kyle, but, well, Cow Bush doesn't drive for him anymore. But all those guys are, you know, running the Chili bowl and dirt cars and stuff now.
[00:24:59] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it is pretty cool. And that's so. It's such an NFL coach mentality to not let them race dirt. Like, that's like, you know, they got the clause in their contracts. They can't go play pickup basketball or whatever.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: Yeah, totally.
[00:25:10] Speaker C: So typical. But it's cool to see him coming around on that because I think it helps the drivers. I mean, they're having fun. They're learning out there on the dirt track. It's different.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: Like, dude, you nowadays, they. They don't have. Since you cannot practice and test and stuff as much as you could, how are these guys going to stay sharp? I've said it on this podcast before, but iron Sharp is iron. I think a race car driver being behind the wheel of a race car is like the.
It doesn't matter what race car to me. I don't care. But being behind the wheel of a race car is going to help no matter what. And especially in today's time when they can't, they get what will before this year. It's like some tracks don't even get practice on, like, iracing can only do so much. Like, you got to be behind the wheel of some of these cars. And I think that's why now you see guys like Kyle Busch, who's literally did not race dirt and going back and, like, racing all these dirt races every single weekend all across the country, because he's like, he needs to stay up on his game. You know, it's just. Is what it is. And I think that's the case with. I mean, you got more guys doing other types of racing now than there's ever been in NASCAR history, and it's because they can't race NASCARs all the time. So you got to go do something to practice up and.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: Can y'all hear me?
[00:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: That's weird.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: I asked you a question, and you just look confused, and I was like, damn, you look confused. Then you, like, didn't. You're still looking confused. You weren't talking to us. I was like, I don't think.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: I couldn't hear y'all for a second. Now I can't hear me. Now I'm back. All right, cool. We fix it. We figured it out. Fix it all up. But, no, I've always been of the opinion, like, I get where the teams have been coming from, and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried to make some sort of attempt at trying to control their driver. And I get that you're making a huge investment in this person to go out there and drive your race cars, but at the end of the day, I just can never get behind somebody telling somebody you can't do something because I'm already paying you to do this. Like, I just. I would not want to sign that contract if I was in a driver's shoes. I get where they're coming from, but if it's your only option, it's one thing, but, man, I just cannot get behind them saying, you're not allowed to go out and race dirt. You're not allowed to go and do this because we're afraid you might get hurt or injured. It's like, well, damn, I could get hurt or injured in a NASCAR race, too. Let's not forget about that. So, like, if it's me risking my life, I think it should be my prerogative. And if you want to put it into my contract, if I get injured doing something else that I forfeit any guaranteed money I was supposed to make, then whatever, so be it. But I've just never been about the teams trying to control the drivers because that just kind of gets in the way of entertainment for the fan. Like, this is all about drivers and fans to me. At the end of the day, yes, teams are important. We get behind teams, but I'm not going out there and cheering like a Blaney win when Logano wins just because they're teammates.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: Totally. And another thing, like, everybody talks about keeping grassroots racing alive. Like these owners that don't let their drivers go do that. That's part of what helps it keep it alive. And when these drivers show up, they double their ticket sales and make way more money. And nowadays, I don't know if y'all are following it on Twitter, but, like, Kyle Busch is literally racing, like, four nights a week, Kyle Larson style, right now.
Him and his son, they got their. They have their midgets. And, you know, Kyle's been racing a sprint car and, you know, doing pretty decent with it. And he. He raced his first midget race the other night and was freaking leading in his first ever midget race and blew it.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Damn.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: But, like, he, they. He posted a video which I thought was pretty cool. Like, he didn't even know how to get in and out of.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Oh, I saw that. He's trying to pull himself out. He's like pulling up from the top, and he looks like, get out of here. Yeah.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: And he literally posts like, you know, I got. I can't get my fat ass in here. Something like that.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: My fat ass out of the car.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: One just seeing that side of the personality. But to, like, Kyle Busch, dude, like, going fucking Kyle Busch, like, going to racing these midget cars and like, racing all over the country is, like, cool as shit to me. I just. I love it. And then Kyle always talked about, back in the day, he was one of the drivers. He was like, I didn't have to race other stuff because he literally used to run the full truck series schedule and the full bush series schedule and obviously the full cup schedule.
Kyle Busch used to get more seat time than anybody. I think that's one of the main reasons Kyle Busch was freaking incredible. The only driver literally that I can think of that was absolutely dominant, obviously one of the best ever, but did not do anything else, was Jimmy Johnson. Every other bat, you name him, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, every other badass race car driver, Dale Earnhardt, all these guys, they all raced other stuff.
And I just. That feel like that's just Jimmy Johnson, just a generational guy. And he, He. His opinion was like, racing a dirt car doesn't help me in nascar. But he also Is in the time when you check now had him testing six days of the week and racing on Sunday. So, like, he didn't need to go race anything else or try anything else. They're literally turning 500 to a thousand laps a week in those race cars. So, like, why did Jimmy Johnson need to go do anything else?
[00:30:29] Speaker C: Right? And even him, he tried it after he retired.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And he did. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, you gotta think about it.
[00:30:37] Speaker C: Like, if you're doing that every single week, at some point you need to switch it up just to get your mind right. You know, you can't. Whatever it is you're doing, you know, music or racing or baseball or anything, like, you can't do the same thing every single day and expect that you're not gonna get.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: So, you know, it's important to let them race dirt or do whatever they need to do. Like, that's a. That's another factor.
[00:30:59] Speaker A: Like I said, iron. Sharp is iron. And it'll be that way forever.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: Absolutely. Now, I loved your point about the grassroots part of it too, how it's helping out with so much of that. I mean, that's where the newest talent's going to be coming from. So give them a good place to race and let them race against professionals. Get them out there. And for once, we have to complain about the teams doing something we don't like instead of nascar. So it's kind of a nice change, really, coming from.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: This is like a personal standpoint. They got to see with my own eyes.
So Dixie Speedway is about 45 minutes north of Atlanta. And every single year, both Atlanta races, NASCAR drivers would be out and race at Dixie on Saturday nights. They'd bring a dirt track car out, and we went and saw Bill Elliott and Tony Stewart and all them race back in the day, and it won. Like I said, sell stick it. But two, all those guys that are racing, like, they get to go out and be like, dude, I beat Bill Elliot. You know, and I'm not talking about nowadays Bill. I'm talking about 20 years ago, you know, oh, two, Bill Elliott still winning.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: Race height of his prime. Million dollar Bill.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: Exactly. So it's like those guys, like, it's just a big deal all the way around to get to go race those guys. And then there's a. There's a super viral picture that comes up about once a year, and Davey Allison and Dale Earnhardt were race. They're. They're at the Atlanta race and they land a helicopter in the infield of Dixie Motor Speedway. They hot. Their cars are already there, and they hop out of the. They hot in their cup suits. They hop out of the helicopter and walk to their car. Sitting on the grid, getting ready for a race, and I'm like, yeah. And it was like, 19, like, 88 or 89 or something like that. I'm like, holy shit. I would have just. Fuck, I would have loved to been there.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Our lives would have been better if we were born in about 79.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: Yes, I agree.
But, yeah, all the way around. These guys doing all this racing, I love it. It gives me something else to watch, too, because they're all just going crazy right now in the off season. Like, obviously, y'all know Kyle Larson races six nights a week, so get to keep up with him and all the stuff he does all across the country, too.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Love it. Love it.
[00:33:08] Speaker C: Super cool.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: All right, Caleb, what's your most surprising. Oh, sorry, I didn't hear you.
[00:33:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I was gonna say.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Yeah. What's your most surprising era that caught.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: You the most about the silly season switches?
[00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah. New. New cars. And then, like, when we get done with this, I know we're kind of everywhere, but, like, we'll kind of go down and kind of say what we think maybe about each one or something.
[00:33:30] Speaker B: So I've got two that are surprising, one more so than the other.
My first one is something that didn't happen. I don't know if y'all have already talked about this one, so stop me short if I. If y'all have Corey Heim not getting a ride and anything, do we even know where he's going at all? Is he sticking in trucks?
[00:33:50] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's signed. He signed the same truck. Next year, he'll win about.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: Exactly. So that's. That was one of my. That was easily my most surprising thing. I mean, he ended the damn year talking about how he's probably gonna have to go back and work for construction because he just doesn't know what to do anymore.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: No, that was Smith. That was Smith.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: Damn. It's been a while since I saw that race. Either way, Corey Heim not getting selected, though, has been just something that surprises me all the way around. I know it's been kind of talked about all around, but when you got some kid that's out here winning practically every single truck race and the only reason he doesn't win it is because of the other guys that have already started to get rides over him. I mean, it was the only people that he's lost to, and he still beats them week after week after week. You've got him out here performing like he is. You've got Toyota rides opening up for him all across the board that he could jump into. And it just amazes me that out of all the different moves, we got a Riley Herps to go up to cup before we had a Corey Heim even get an Xfinity ride. And I mean, he's kind of the hardest part for him is that he's in a Toyota and there's the least number of options of places for you to go.
But why is he not one of the people that's more in the conversation. There may be a reason that I don't know about, but that one surprises me a lot that I would expect to have seen him get moved up into a new ride rather than become a truck series regular that he obviously doesn't want to be. He wants to move up. Who doesn't?
[00:35:17] Speaker C: But yeah, he doesn't want to be the next.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: I mean, who does? Geez. God.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: Nobody wants to be the next Macraft.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: Go out and beating up on 19 year old kids when they got their back turned on them.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: This is stupid, but this is the only thing that I've heard is it's like him and Ty Gibbs had a big issue back in the day and that issue has carried over since they've been racing each other since they were kids. And that issue has always been an issue. And I hear that is. That's what they say on Twitter is why he's not in a Joe Gibbs.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: That's why Gibbs put him into an Xfinity car so he'd never have to be around him in the truck.
Yeah.
[00:35:58] Speaker C: Can you imagine like one little fight you have when you're like 9 years old, like.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: Out of a huge.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: That was my lolly though.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: That's. That's tied to a key that is sometimes right there. Dude. Freaking Joe Gibbs. Xfinity series line up next year. I can't even tell you who the drivers are because they are so no name guys. Golly, they're just nobodies.
And you got guys like Corey Hamm sitting there ready to go and they just got like William Salowich and just all these guys who just don't even have anything on their resume compared to whatever funding.
[00:36:35] Speaker C: You know, we talked about it with her. Like it doesn't rule everything anymore.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: Oh my God. If we could get. I mean there's never going to be getting money out of nascar, but if we can get NASCAR to not be all about the freaking money every five minutes and just put some talented people in some positions. We probably have twice the amount of money to work with because people would be watching.
[00:36:55] Speaker A: Just go back to 1985 to 2005.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Like, I get. Money's always going to be a thing and funding is always going to be important. But damn, there's a reason you're getting sued right now. Like, let's be honest, dude.
[00:37:09] Speaker C: If Bud Light. If Bud Light really wants to, like, get their image back, they just should start a NASCAR team and hire just the most. Dude.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: That'd be phenomenal.
[00:37:18] Speaker C: Just, like, get Corey Hy and like, get. Like, there'd be people. People would be back on Bud Light.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: I don't care if I'd be through a screen door. I would drink Bud Light. If they started a racing team like that.
Yeah, it would be awesome.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: If you're have. If you're ever constipated, drink 12 Bud Lights and eat some domino's pizza, dude. And you won't be constipated.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: You'll have headache, you'll have heartburn, and you'll have indigestion, but you will no longer have diarrhea. You will now have diarrhea.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:46] Speaker B: Oh.
So my second one that I had here was Chase Briscoe making the move over to Toyota into the 19 for Joe Gibbs racing next year. Him getting out of a.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: That's what we were.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Did y'all bring this one up earlier?
[00:38:05] Speaker A: That's how the whole dirt track racing, like, people letting them come into the car. Not that you go ahead and say what you say, but that's. I agree that.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that is one of mine for sure.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: I'm excited.
[00:38:15] Speaker B: I mean, he was racing like the Ford racing program. I can't remember the exact name of the sponsor. I probably have the die cast, but it's probably black and on fire somewhere.
We. I had that die cast of that car because I loved it. That 98 that he drove in xfinity and I love the paint scheme on it. But I mean, it was like a Ford program that sponsored him. Like, he was all in on Ford.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: It was like Ford racing performance. Like, they. They funded the whole deal.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So they were just pushing him through and pushing him through, and he gets the ride over at Stewart Haas racing and it's like, hell, yeah. This is awesome. He's working for his hero, driving his hero's number. Grew up watching this dude race and goes out there and makes a bunch of wild moves as a Ford driver. And you can Just tell that. They are all about him as a driver from the very beginning. And now he makes the switch over to Toyota with all of the crazy amount of stuff that's going on. I know obviously his team shutting down, but there was front row he could have gone to. There was. I don't know what other opportunities he could have possibly taken, but maybe that's. That's all it came down to is like there's this offer from Toyota or this.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: But here's what he said in his interview. He said there was only one team who did not ask him how much money he could bring. And it was a 19.
[00:39:31] Speaker B: There you go. Look at that.
[00:39:33] Speaker A: That car is completely funded, completely through Joe from Johnny Morris. Johnny Morris has that car. He's going to keep that car. And that just is what it is. So he doesn't have to. One, you're going to be in one of the best four cars in the. On the track. And two, you don't have to worry about bringing. And I'm sure High Point is big on him. They are big on him. So I'm sure they do sponsor some cars, but secondary cars already funded. Yeah. What's it. I mean, yeah, absolutely. It's a lifetime opportunity.
[00:39:59] Speaker B: I would take it as well. It just was amazing to me to see that Ford let him go. And I mean, you had so many people talking before that deal got announced, like, there's no way they're going to let Chase Briscoe go. But he is in the talks for the 19.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. Kevin Harvick also said that Ford got really mad at him for taking the pictures with. When the deal got announced and they had no problem with him taking the pictures with the team and the car and everything. But he had the big Toyota logo on his shirt and that was. That was a big ordeal for having. For having the Toyota logo while he's so sensitive.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: I swear.
[00:40:36] Speaker A: Good Lord, they are something.
I wouldn't want to burn the bridge either, though. I mean, me personally, I wouldn't want to burn the bridge of a team, you know, oem. That got me.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: I mean, you don't have to burn the bridge, but when a guy in a suit comes walking down telling me how mad he is about what's on my shirt, like, dude, what? Who are you?
You are not Ford. Ford is a company. You are a human being. Like, what do you have that you're going to tell me? Chase Briscoe probably makes more than some of those guys getting mad at him anyway.
But either way, that was My second surprising move of the year that I was most. Most like, impressed by that he ended up making that move over.
[00:41:20] Speaker A: I'm excited for it. Like I said, that's how the conversation got started. I said I was excited that it. It finally broke down. Joe Gibbs to let his drivers go race dirt and other race cars and not just. Just there. So now we get freaking. We get Christopher Bell back into a sprint car. We get Christopher Bell back at the Chili Bowl. You're going to have Briscoe and Bell at the Chili bowl, race each other against Larson. There's. There's like, seven cup guys doing the Chili Bowl. Ricky Stenhouse, Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Christopher Bell, Briscoe.
There's like, seven guys doing it, you know, and that goes back. I know we just had that whole conversation. I'm not going back to that. But I'm just saying, like, I think he probably did like Larson. You know, Rick Hendrick had that same clause before. You know, my guys aren't racing dirt cars. And Larson was like, well, I'm not signing a deal here. I can't race a dirt car.
I guarantee you Briscoe had other options. So he was like, look, I want to keep racing. My. He owns a team. It's like, I want to keep racing. I want to keep racing. You know, so then it's like, well, Gibbs weren't him bad enough. And that opens the door right back for Christopher Bell, and he can bring his guys back out and all that, too. It helps the economy of racing because all these guys own their own cars and they have their own team means.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: You know, the economy of racing. I love that term.
[00:42:35] Speaker C: Nah, that's huge. Let's talk about the 88 being back on track full time this year, too. It's been a while since I've seen that.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: I love it.
And it's a Kiwi.
[00:42:47] Speaker A: I'm a huge SVG fan, so I'm all in. I love SVG. I love the 88.
Track House is awesome. I've said it on here before. I think track working at Track House nowadays is probably like working at DEI in the early 2000s thousand. It's like the place that, like, everybody wanted to be and work with and party with and all that. I just thought they have that.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: Hell, yeah.
[00:43:08] Speaker A: And they.
[00:43:08] Speaker C: I wonder, have they dropped paint schemes? I don't know if. I wonder if they dropped the weather.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: The weathertech one? Yeah.
[00:43:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Did he have the same font on the 88 or is it a new phone?
[00:43:17] Speaker A: It's different. It's a little more bubbled.
[00:43:19] Speaker C: That's probably smart.
[00:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not the straight edges, you know, like it was. It's like a bubble. Ish looking 88. But the.
The Weathertech paint scheme looks just like the 97 WeatherTech paint scheme that he had. Very similar. The whole red, white and blue thing.
[00:43:35] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: Which is also funny that he's. He's like the Australian guy that's rocking the red, white and blue car, which is like. It's hilarious.
[00:43:48] Speaker C: It is pretty funny. I mean, I guess Australia, their flag is kind of bluish with some red and white on there.
[00:43:53] Speaker A: Yeah, close enough.
[00:43:56] Speaker C: I think he's gonna do well, though. I mean, I think he's shown a lot of potential in the races. He's done.
[00:44:01] Speaker A: He's a lock in the playoffs.
I guarantee you. He's a lock in the playoff.
[00:44:05] Speaker C: But I think he'll look good on the ovals too.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: Yeah, he. This is the thing. I've told Caleb this exact thing before. So, you know, we've had these. We've had ringer road course ringers, these special specialty guys that come into racing nascar. I mean, and they always run good. You know, they run well, you know, whatever, but. And they'll. They'll sneak a win out every now and again. AJ Almendinger, Marcus Ambrose a Boris said, you know, whatever. They'll sneak a win out. There has not been a guy that is so dominant like SVG is that's like come out and done this like. Yeah.
[00:44:40] Speaker C: Over full time, in the prime of his career, crazy up and coming team. I mean. Yeah, it's a big investment by track house.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: It's crazy. And he just proves it every single week. And they. Somebody did a stat.
They did a whole recap of his whole entire season, stage by stage. If you look at like his first stage in Atlanta to the second stage, the third stage, it gets better. And then if you look at like Atlanta, the second time they get there, the third stage was better than that first stage. And that's. It goes up. And his whole entire season literally, other than like some wrecks, his whole season literally went up like this on every racetrack. And it just proves like, dude is a racer, a racer's racer. And it's. It's.
Yeah, I'm pumped for it. I. He's a lock in the playoffs because I promise he wins one, if not multiple road course races next year. I promise.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: And I think if he just goes in there and if they can just put the mentality around them that even Though he's like a grown man. If they could just put the mentality he's still a rookie in the cup series. So we still have to treat it like this is all a learning process and give him two to three solid years behind that car. I guarantee you he makes it to the round of eight every time because he's going to get those exactly like you're talking about. He already is a deadlock on these road courses and the rest of the garage has got to elevate their ability if they're going to beat him every single week.
[00:45:58] Speaker A: And Justin Mark. Justin Marks talks about too.
On a guy like him who is. I'm with you. Who I think one is a lock. Two with that other with the Roval and Watkins Glenn and all that's in the playoffs. Like he's locked in at least probably around or two. Every single round you get more sponsorship money. So they can sell sponsorship on SVG like a mug. Yeah, like he can. He's gonna be able to.
I don't know. He's gonna be able to be in victory lane. He's gonna be all over all the big media things, you know, whatever. It's just a big deal all the way around. They're gonna be able to sell sponsorship. And with him selling sponsorship and having Anheuser Busch, they're gonna be in good shape.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: And he's such a good personality on top of it too. Like you put him out there, you get him more publicity. You keep on having him there for cup races when more people are watching, man. Bold prediction. But could this dude be a most popular driver candidate in the years to come?
[00:46:59] Speaker A: I think it's possible.
[00:47:00] Speaker C: I don't. Listen, here's a good question. I don't understand. We talked about it a bit on the other episode, but I don't understand how Chase Elliott keeps winning that award.
I mean, obviously as is there. But I don't. I don't know, man. I think it's definitely time for some.
[00:47:15] Speaker B: I just. It's like he's got a fan base that's so dedicated to him and it's almost impossible to outvote him for at least the now. But definitely as some of these older fans and their drivers start going away, a lot of these older fans really hung on to him, I feel like. And he's got a lot of like younger and older. He's got a good mix. But I feel like a lot of his fans come from the fact that his dad was who he was. So as the Harvicks and The bushes and everybody else starts getting older and starting to move out of the sport. You have a little bit of a recycle in both the fan base and the driver base, and you start adding in Kyle Larson, you start adding in svg, all these other people that are coming in. There's more personalities coming into the sport that can go out there and compete every single week for a win and for a championship.
[00:48:04] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:48:04] Speaker B: I just. I really think you start seeing the shakeup at some time in the next, like, two to three years.
[00:48:10] Speaker C: I hope so.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: I mean, if you go to a race, he's not the most, like, worn shirt that's at a race. It's. It's Kyle Larson, and I feel like Kyle Larson, Ryan Blaney kind of dominate the. The merchandise.
[00:48:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I see a lot of Joey Logano.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I see that, too.
[00:48:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Logano. I. I've seen something that blows me away.
And this has happened just over the last, like, three years. But you go to a racetrack now, there's so much rfk.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: And we've. I know, me and Caleb, we've talked about this, but, like, when I went to Atlanta this year, bro, there's so many, like, RFK shirts and then Keselowski and Buscher shirts, and I think they're like the blue collar team. And, like, they have the blue collar guys just, like, they're just normal, all American, like, not flashy. Just, you know, the guys that, like, go to the party and wear boots and jeans guys. And I feel like that's where they're fan base comes from. And then on top of going in the last two years winning, what, like, seven, six. Seven races between the two years? You know, it's like that, obviously, and.
[00:49:10] Speaker B: Having one of the best social media accounts of all time on Twitter.
[00:49:15] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. So, like, theirs has been went from, like, seeing no Roushed RFK stuff to, like, boom, you go. I went, like I said, going to Atlanta this year. There's freaking RFK stuff everywhere, which is cool, because I love them.
[00:49:27] Speaker C: So, yeah, they're doing a great job.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: All right, let's kind of go down the list here. We kind of talked about Rally Hurst. We all agree he's going to have a, like, a big learning curve in the Cup. That's kind of where we're at with that.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: It's going to have a big learning curve in life.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: Yes. Todd Gillen. Stan with the 30. He's going to go to the 34 car. We. We didn't say that while ago. He's going to be in the loves 34 car next year.
Todd Gillen's a good little race car driver, man. He's going to be. Like I said, I've. I, I think nothing's going to be wrong with front row and having what, Gragson and then possibly Zane Smith. That's some young blood. Gonna be like some pretty, pretty cool little young race team all the way around.
[00:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah. They should try to get Corey home. That would be.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. I feel like Corey's probably a half a step away from wanting to leave Toyota at this point.
[00:50:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: If not, if nothing happens after this year and he has another 12 win season, like he's got to do. He's got to make a move like he will. He'll make a move like a business.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: No doubt. You got to. At some point, you just got to realize when you're being undervalued.
[00:50:36] Speaker A: Todd Dillon coming back to full time with colleagues, he just.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: His career won't die. Dude.
[00:50:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I apologize for all the coughing and hacking. I got some kind of sinus stuff going on here.
Colleagues, you know, their slogan is chasing trophies and they're just not going to chase any trophies. With Todd Dillon and Daniel Hemrich and the guys they've had in those cars recently. It's just not.
They went from being like one of the hottest teams in the garage to just hiring guys that are just. That have money but literally cannot do anything and have not ever done anything in any car they've ever.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: That's the wild part of it. It's almost like I think we talked about this when they first made the move into cup. I don't know if we talked about this on the pod ever, but it's almost like when they made the move to have permanent cup teams, colleague money ran dry. Like he only had enough money to field that xfinity team every single week with multiple cars. And as soon as he went up into the cup series, it became the exact same problem we see all around nascar where he has to fight and plead and beg to get money to be able to fund these cars. And now all of a sudden, he's having to do what we've been complaining about for years. Put the worst drivers in the best positions because they are the only ones that can fund the car. And I just, I miss xfinity exclusive colleague so much because they were just. They walked with their heads held high. Matt colleague walks out and he's just an electric figure. And I feel like you hardly ever see him anymore. I feel like you hardly ever hear about colleague racing unless it's something going on with their team or a wreck. And it just, it's disappointing to see the fact that they've almost it from an outsider's perspective. Looks like they spread themselves so thin that Ty Dillon is the answer.
[00:52:28] Speaker A: That's what I was going to say.
[00:52:29] Speaker B: Like golly.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: And they said on door bumper clear Ty Dillon is the answer because that helps them out more with getting RCR engineers engines. So not if I'm. If RCR is the top of my list for engines and I'm in a bad spot anyway. So I don't know.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: Oh man.
[00:52:49] Speaker A: Next on the list, Justin Haley. We all agree. I think that that's going to be pretty awesome to watch next year. Having full time. Yes, he's getting.
I believe he's getting Chase Elliott spotter. Eddie Dehante is going to be his full time spotter. They are going to have Rodney Childers on the box. Like they literally have like the all star lineup on all aspects on that 7 car. So like if it doesn't perform, I'm going to be very many wins.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Do y'all think they'll be able to snook her out of that little group there?
[00:53:19] Speaker A: Out of all three?
[00:53:20] Speaker B: Out of.
[00:53:21] Speaker A: I think spire wins.
[00:53:22] Speaker B: No, I'm just talking about specifically Justin Haley in the seven with that crew behind him. How many wins do we think Justin Haley will get in the number seven?
[00:53:31] Speaker A: I can't go crazy high because they're all brand new and only because I heard Rodney Childers in his interview talk about how there is still going to be like learning curves and stuff. But like their expectation is running top 15, top 10 every single week. And if you do that, some wins are going to happen. So like I think they wind up in victory lane. I do. And I do think they make playoffs. Not obviously. Not just because I think they're going to win but because I do think they're going to average like about a 12th place and be in the top 10 regularly.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: I wouldn't be surprised by a win, but I'd be surprised by more than two.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I would be.
[00:54:07] Speaker C: Yeah, they will be.
[00:54:09] Speaker A: I think Carson Hosabar gets a win this year.
[00:54:12] Speaker C: I hope so.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: As long as he doesn't get his. I mean, twisted off by some other driver at some point in the season.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: Yes, it's the most, just like it's like the most raw talent in a cup car that I've seen in a minute and that's a huge.
[00:54:26] Speaker B: That is a huge. I know But I stay. I. But, like, where you're coming from.
[00:54:29] Speaker A: He's fast, man. He is fast. And, like, once you start hearing, like, I know we've all had that opinion, but then these guys on these podcasts that, like, really, like older guys. I even mean, like, Mark Martin and guys talking about these guys that are, like, having just raw speed, they just got to, like, tone it down once they get, like, the raw speed under control.
And I feel like, I don't know. Spire has so much money. They have more money.
And I see people get on arguments on Twitter about this, but, like, they don't realize, like, this how much money Spire has. Like, they have Andretti money that is more money than anyone. So, like, it takes a minute to put all the right people in the right places. I understand. But, like, Spire is. Is going to be. When they say Mini Hendrik, I. They mean Mini Hendrik. Like, it's going to be. They are going to be right there competing with wins, like the Hendrick Chevrolets are, and I believe that. And they're very vocal about it. So I don't know. When you go hiring all the best crew chiefs and the best spotters and some of the best drivers, young drivers you can get right now, and then you got an old head like Michael McDowell who can kind of level everybody out, just seems like a really good mix, in my opinion.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: That's great. Point.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: Next. Shane Van Gisbergen. We had a whole segment on him. He's making the playoffs.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: 100.
[00:55:51] Speaker A: If I could put 100 bucks on that, I would do it.
[00:55:53] Speaker B: Right.
[00:55:56] Speaker A: Zane Smith. No one knows if he's for sure going to front row. It just says that's, like, the most likely landing spot.
Even as up to date as of right now. Like, no one knows where Zane Smith is going. I don't. I don't know. That's. Like we already said, that's just kind of a weird situation all the way around, how all that unfolded from top.
[00:56:18] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:56:20] Speaker A: Corey Lajoy is not going to be in the Rick Ware car. I don't.
[00:56:27] Speaker B: If you were surprised by this. You stopped watching at last year's Atlanta race.
[00:56:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't.
I don't know what Corey Lajoy does. I don't know if he goes to.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: Hi, welcome to Chili's.
[00:56:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know if he's flipping burgers now or what. He's. He said something the other day on his podcast, and he was like, I have so many great opportunities inside the car and outside the car. So I don't know what that means.
[00:56:55] Speaker C: Maybe it'll be a spotter. I don't know.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: I died. I died laughing. It was before all this got announced, obviously. I know Door Bumper Clear has all. They know everything, obviously, because they're in the garage.
But the guy that is on his podcast is the. I think front tire changer for Blaney is who it is. And they were kind of on spotters, and they were like. They said they were joking about spotters on their podcast. And Doorborn Clears response was like, well, y'all both might be spotters next year, so you better keep your mouth shut. And I was like, oh. And then all this comes out, and I'm like, oh. It's even like a double.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: Oh, man, can you imagine?
[00:57:36] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what happens to Corey Lajoy. Like I said, you just. You can't step on your own dick as many times as he did this year and expect good things to happen.
[00:57:47] Speaker B: I mean, I like the guy. His personality is great. I don't mind him at all. I've always been a Corey Lajoy. Like, as a person, I've been a fan of his, but, man, it's. It's been. I wanted to cheer for him so bad, and I did for a while. Like I said after that Atlanta race where he did all that stuff, I was here for it. I was like, man, this dude's gonna get a win. He's gonna do something big here. He's finally in a great position to make it happen. And, you know, some people, sometimes. I'm not even going to say some people, because some people do it both ways.
Sometimes you just find yourself in a position that you really need to perform and you don't. And that's as simple as you can put it. He needed to perform and he didn't, so.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: And like I said, I think just not performing it doubles down on it because all the mistakes he made this year were his fault. That, like, double downs on the double down situation, when you have more memes.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: Than commercials, you got a problem.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: Yes.
They just announced. I knew he was going there, but they just announced this week Graxon's gonna be in the four car for front row. So pretty cool. It kind of looks like Harvick's old font, kind of more blocky style looking. But they're gonna have, like, the 31. I think they're gonna have, like, the 38, 34, and 4 car, I believe, next year.
[00:59:01] Speaker C: A lot of these Car numbers switching around is gonna be really.
[00:59:05] Speaker B: Oh, you are not wrong, man. You are not wrong. This is going to be like whenever Penske did that whole, like, driver and crew chief flop where all three drivers and all three crew chiefs moved in some way shape like, you know how it was weird. I remember that because I was so confused every time they would show either Logano or Blaney's spot crew chief. And then Paul Wolf is now no longer with Brad Keselowski. I was thrown off. Yeah, that forever about that. And I feel like this is that just like magnified.
[00:59:36] Speaker C: You're gonna see the four race in the 88. And it's gonna be like.
[00:59:40] Speaker B: And it's gonna be Noah Gragson and a freaking Australian between.
[00:59:45] Speaker C: And it's gonna be between Trackhouse and.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
That is just crazy. It is gonna be completely weird. I can't wait because you know at the beginning of the year how they always have like the crazy graphic that they roll through to explain all the changes for the year. I cannot wait to see how long that has to go to explain everything that happened.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to be wild. Josh Berry to Wood Brothers. I feel like that's a perfect fit. Just a bunch of blue collar boys racing race cars.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: I want them to do well so bad too. I want Wood Brothers to be back up front.
[01:00:21] Speaker A: I think they will. They're not going to win every race, but I think they run way better than 34th in points. Well, I know he made the playoffs, but way better than 34 points.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:00:31] Speaker A: We talked about Chase Briscoe multiple Times. Martin Truex Jr. Is retiring.
He's going to do some races with either 2311 Joe Gibbs mix, most likely the 500 from what they say we talked about. McDowell gave him his flowers.
Ryan Priest to the third RFK car with Kroger as a sponsor. Bringing that KRoger Money in RFK is going to be balling next year. They're all. They're going to have branding across all three cars. I saw they're losing Kings Hawaiian because there is a conflict of like Kroger Kings Hawaiian. I think they have their own bread, something involved in their sponsorship. So King Sawai is leaving, which doesn't matter because Kroger is bringing in way more money than King Swine could ever think about bringing in. So it does not matter.
[01:01:21] Speaker B: We will forever remember the outhouse.
[01:01:24] Speaker A: Yes, that's pretty much. That's pretty much it for cup on here. I told Ike I wanted to talk about Connor Zillage Though I think.
I think Connor Zillage and I posted this on Twitter. Connor Zillage has a Noah Gragson top season and wins 10 races.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: Where is he going to junior motorsports.
[01:01:50] Speaker A: Fully funded, ready to go. One of the best prospects in all of racing. Won his first ever race. He stepped into just crazy. They were like, we don't know how he's going to perform on ovals. Goes to homestead runs, top five. Like dude's gonna win a ton of races.
[01:02:08] Speaker B: I'm excited for it. I don't know as much about him.
[01:02:10] Speaker C: So he'll be fun to watch. He'll be going up against Matt the.
[01:02:15] Speaker A: Benedetto now full time, moving to the 99.
I forgot who their alliance is it RCR.
[01:02:24] Speaker C: Maybe it was RCR, but I think they said that they're gonna go independent.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: Actually they are changing the Chevrolet. I saw that. The 99 Chevrolet car. I did see that. Yeah.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: Another Chevy in the Xfinity.
[01:02:36] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the whole field.
I just gotta say, Hoss factory team with Sheldon Creed and Sam Mayer is just gotta be the lamest team in racing, dude.
[01:02:47] Speaker B: For real.
[01:02:48] Speaker A: Honestly, brutal.
[01:02:50] Speaker B: Brutal. That is beyond brutal.
So that is my God.
[01:02:57] Speaker A: Now that we've spent an hour talking about that, we can move on to kind of what our favorite moments of this racing season was. It can be anything. I guess it can be.
[01:03:09] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, I'm gonna. I'm gonna say mine. Then I gotta hop. Then y'all can talk about the lawsuit.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: Okay, cool.
[01:03:15] Speaker C: I know Caleb, I love.
[01:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I told him.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: I love talking crap about people in suits.
[01:03:22] Speaker A: Tell us.
[01:03:23] Speaker C: I'm sure we'll have more off season episodes. I can say more fair moments. But my top favorite moment was that first Atlanta race. The finish of that looked just like cars. I literally got to Live Oak and I was watching on my phone before around and I was like, matt, look at this. Like Matt Burrell. I was like, watch this finish. And then like sure enough, it was like, you know that three way, like just three wide across the line finish that one. I was like, we're so back. Like NASCAR so bad.
[01:03:49] Speaker B: And the whole beginning of that was gonna be just like that too. I mean it never quit.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
Overall this season was great. There were some really, really, really dumb low points of the season for sure. But overall, like some of the finishes, I mean what we saw like three of the closest finishes ever or some shit. Like it was like a pretty solid season. Yeah.
[01:04:10] Speaker C: I mean that Atlanta one got beat later on. It was like.
[01:04:12] Speaker B: Was it the Kansas one that Beat Atlanta. Okay.
[01:04:15] Speaker A: Yeah, that beat. That. Got closest ever. Like, I think it was like three of the top five closest ever finishes happened this year. It was Atlanta, Kansas, Atlanta, Kansas.
The race at Texas with Mayer and Ryan see was like, tied with the Crave. I know that's not cut, but they count that as, like a NASCAR finish. That was one of them.
They posted a bunch of like, crazy close finishes across all the series this year.
[01:04:44] Speaker C: Crazy. But, yeah, I gotta. But I'll let y'all finish.
[01:04:46] Speaker B: All right. Good talking with you, man.
[01:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, be good, brother.
[01:04:50] Speaker C: I'm excited to listen here.
[01:04:51] Speaker B: I gotta go back and relisten what y'all started it off with.
[01:04:55] Speaker A: Love it. We haven't spoke about the lawsuit yet, so we were saving.
[01:04:58] Speaker B: Hell, yeah.
[01:05:00] Speaker A: But. So what were your two or however many favorites?
[01:05:05] Speaker B: That's the thing is, it's funny that we kind of just mentioned it because I was gonna say that my favor hard about this season was how it started. I mean, the whole beginning of this year just being close finish after close finish, and it wasn't interrupted by all the nonsense stupidity about charters. It wasn't interrupted by all this nonsense stupidity about who gets penalized here and there.
But as a fan watching the races every Sunday, not going into Twitter, not going into anything else, as a fan watching, I mean, the beginning half of this season was so unbelievably good that. That I just cannot say how much. That was the best string of races that I have seen as a fan, personally. And I would love it if we could have stuff like that every single year.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: Totally.
Like I said, my. I think, you know, the whole season was just like I said. There were some down points for sure, but some of the races were just really were great. You know, now that mile and a half's are kind of back or really back, it just.
I don't know. That really helps. You know, you can, like, be excited about, you know, like, the biggest, I guess, part of the schedule, you know. You know, almost the biggest part of the schedule. Like being excited about mile and a half. Like, that's. That's pretty exciting. And we've said all along that Martinsville race at the end of the year, it helps out that it's playoffs. Like, if they can just. All the drivers talk so much about that tire, if they can kind of start off that that can be the starting point for this next season. And then, like, a lot of the guys said you can go even softer. So, like, we got it soft now, and that can be the starting point now. Let's try even softer and softer.
[01:06:50] Speaker B: I love that you brought that up.
[01:06:51] Speaker A: Short track, I love that you brought.
[01:06:53] Speaker B: That up, because I was gonna say my second favorite thing was the amount of times we with the tire to try to get it right. I know that's not necessarily a moment. That's a thing that happened all the way throughout the season. But starting from the Bristol race in the spring, when that tire literally fell to pieces by the time the run was over, I. I have not heard someone talk about chords in four years. And finally somebody's talking about chords again. I mean, it just wasn't happening. And I love that we're finally doing what the fans have been asking for for a year and a half now. Just make the damn tire soft.
[01:07:29] Speaker A: Softer.
[01:07:30] Speaker B: That's all we're asking for. And if that doesn't work, then you can show it to us, and you can say, here, we made the tire softer. But I feel like sometimes NASCAR is a little more worried about creating a consistent race than they are with creating a good race. They don't want controversy. They just want the race to start and end and that be it. And as much as they want that by not taking chances, they don't get it by making dumb decisions. So it's like, if you're gonna have a bad race anyway, why not have a bad race where you tried to do something to placate the fan? And I love that they finally really started taking chances on that. And I completely agree with you. I cannot wait to see what the short tracks next year look like if they can keep messing with that.
[01:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think they can't go back on it now because I think the proof is in the pudding. Like, it's. It's gradually gotten better each. Every time that they've softened the tire. So it's like, the proof's there now. So, like I said, if that could be the starting point for next year, then we probably be, you know, in pretty good shape.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:08:34] Speaker A: So my two favorite moments of the year were.
And so first one is Larson winning the brick. Like, after all the stuff that went down with the Indies and missing the Coke 600 in the rain and all this, like, coming out and freaking dominating the Brickyard 400 was, like, pretty sick.
Anytime Kyle Larson has to race when he's, like, has something to prove, that's the best version of Kyle Larson. We've seen that since 2020. But, like, when he has something to prove or feels like he's the underdog or has, like, a chip on his shoulder, I feel like that's when he shines the most for sure.
[01:09:12] Speaker B: He's definitely. He's the guy that pressure. I. I know you have the tattoo because it's a Chase Elliott quote, but your tattoo pressure is a privilege. I feel like applies really well to Kyle Larson too, because he into those pressured situations, and he looks at it like, all right, here we go. It's time to show him what I am.
[01:09:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I didn't know I was a Chase Elliot.
[01:09:31] Speaker B: I thought that you said it was a Chase Elliott quote. Maybe I had it wrong.
[01:09:34] Speaker A: I don't know. I heard. I heard Kirby Scrotum.
[01:09:36] Speaker B: Well, there you go.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: But I'm here either way.
[01:09:38] Speaker B: I could have sworn you said it was Chase Elliot quote back in the day. Maybe I was.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: I think Chase Elliot m. Does say that poss. Damn.
[01:09:44] Speaker B: We don't have to look it up.
[01:09:49] Speaker A: And my second moment was the same thing Ox said, unfortunately. But I was at Atlanta getting to watch that race. So, like, getting to take Megan to her first race, her first whole experience being on the start finish line, like, watching three cars come off three wide for the finish and like, literally no one knowing who won was, like, pretty lit. That was pretty badass all the time.
[01:10:14] Speaker B: Oh, it was awesome. I will never forget watching that finish go down and just.
Just absolutely being mind blown and confused for that long about what was even happening. I mean, my God.
[01:10:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:30] Speaker B: Another one that you just have to throw in here because it was one of the most talked about things all year for, like, a good, solid couple weeks. But the Ricky Stenhouse Kyle Busch fight at North Wilkesboro, I mean, how could you not include that on a list of favorite moments. Talk about, like, just a driver that everyone wants to hate and a driver that everyone loves to shit on, go together and get into a damn fight about one of them being mad at the other for doing the thing that they're known for doing. It was amazing. It was incredible. I loved every second of it and the build up to it, everything. Like, I hope, I wish, like they said back on the podcast at the time, we could just close down the end the exits to the interior entry or the interior of the track. So that way if you get wrecked out, you have to stay there. You cannot leave until that other driver can come up and talk to you.
[01:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It was, like, even cooler that it was at Northwest. Like, that made it, like, topped it off.
[01:11:29] Speaker B: It was even better.
But then the other thing that I think I was really loving was the fact that we got Rockingham back.
[01:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm excited for that. I'm just ready for a cup race there now.
[01:11:45] Speaker B: I'll take what I can get.
[01:11:46] Speaker A: I mean we haven't. Yeah, I'll take what I can get too.
It's going to be really cool to see those cars race there again. And I haven't seen any. I don't even know what Rockingham looks like anymore. I haven't seen any pictures of it. I haven't seen the catchment, nothing like what they got going on.
But it'll be like seeing Wilkesboro, you know, on pictures like holy shit. Like it's back. Yeah.
But I think if, if that if the, the. The cup or Xfinity and truck race, they race their goes well and does well and is awesome and everybody shows up and all the things are great.
I guarantee you there's a Cup race there next year.
[01:12:27] Speaker B: Absolutely. And maybe that's part of the reasoning why it didn't get a cup race this year was just we want to make sure that the facility can even work before we commit to having a full on cup crowd show back up there. Because you know that if the cup series was going there this year they'd have to do like a full on North Wilkesboro and completely remodel the track. But it's. I don't. You're going to have to tell me more about Rockingham because I never got to see it. But it is bigger than North Wilkesboro. I can only imagine Rockingham's like Darlington, there you go. So they probably have more facility and more things that they'd have to do to make it work.
[01:13:04] Speaker A: Rockingham is like that's the most.
That's the best like sister track to compare it to.
[01:13:12] Speaker B: I need to go back and watch an old race of Rockingham. Now that you say that, if anybody is listening and wants to tell me a good race to watch on Rockingham, let me know.
[01:13:22] Speaker A: I just watched the last 10 laps of the. When they went there right after Dale died and Steve Parker won, it was a big deal. Like, like somebody just posted, you know.
[01:13:30] Speaker B: That'D probably be the best one to watch then.
[01:13:33] Speaker A: And I don't. I was so young I couldn't tell you what even happened in the. In the whole race. I just remember, I remember that race. I remember Steve part winning like that was a huge deal and Steve park qualified second in that race and dominated the whole race. But at the end him and Bobby Lonnie are racing their ass off and they're like side by side and I think it was either coming to two laps ago or coming to the white flag. They're side by side and they're both like black marks on the asphalt wrecking. And Bobby, like, pops the wall with the outside of the car. Steve has to drive way down low, and they're just like, literally driving all over the place on those. I mean, the last 10 laps of that race are, like, crazy. And if Bobby wouldn't have popped the wall, they would have been probably too wide the whole last lap and they'd have been on top of each other coming to the flag. Golly. And I didn't realize this.
People kind of talked about this too, but, like, for Earnhardt's last championship, he, like, beat Bobby Lobani and they, you know, Bobby the Bonnie. And Earnhardt had that really close side by side finish at Atlanta. So there's just like, just all that crazy stuff that was going on at that point in racing. But something else that was cool that happened. Jeff Gordon qualified on the poll. Steve park qualified second. But to start the race, Jeff Gordon scooted back a row. So, like Earnhard. Yeah, so like, that was like a honorary thing for Earnhardt. They did, you know, just stuff like that. I just saw that.
[01:15:01] Speaker B: Cool stuff.
[01:15:02] Speaker A: There was like a post, it was like. It's like 10 minutes long, but there's a video kind of like recapping that Rockingham race. And then they quit racing there in. Oh, yeah.
[01:15:11] Speaker B: It's been a while. So I love the fact that that's been something that's. I mean, there's a whole Twitter page dedicated to bring the rock back.
So I'm here for it. So that was another really cool thing that happened this year that I was excited for.
[01:15:26] Speaker A: Yes, I'm also excited.
[01:15:27] Speaker B: How about yourself? What was your favorite? What was your next favorite one?
[01:15:31] Speaker A: Those are my two. Larson, Brickyard and Atlanta. Three wide. Being there for the three wide finish. Those were like my.
[01:15:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, shoot. I gotta. I gotta say, at least Ryan Blaney walk off win at Martinsville again to get into the final four. Like doing it two years in a row, you can't top that kind of stuff. But I mean, overall, I. I easily can say this was my favorite season of Cup Series NASCAR in terms of product on the track.
Not necessarily every single race. I obviously have a couple here and there that I would prefer. But there was definitely a lot of youthful zeal as being a NASCAR fan. That's kind of new to it where I really enjoyed a lot of races back in the day that I Probably shouldn't have, but now that I'm. Now that I've seen enough of them go by and I've seen the good, I've seen the bad, and I've seen the in between. This series of racing this year definitely produced some of the closest, funnest finishes that I've ever personally seen. And then it also had a little bit of off track drama and I'm not even going, I'm not even talking about the NASCAR drama. I'm just talking about off track driver drama that just added to a little spice here and there, there.
So I just am excited about 2025. If we can just pull the short tracks in together a little bit.
I couldn't tell you what the solution to the road courses is other than to like demolish a couple of them. But outside of that, I'm not really sure what else we can do to have a better product on track and maybe take Richmond down like to half a date. That'd be cool, man.
[01:17:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I hate that about Richmond. I just, golly, I don't understand.
So I have nothing problem, no problem with going and racing internationally. And we've talked about it on here. I just think if we do it, we take Brad Keselowski's idea and we have oval racing internationally. So it's like the NASCAR product that we take around, not. So you're telling me we're going to take a shitty race at Richmond and then trade it for a shitty road course and just in Mexico. So I don't, that doesn't really make sense to me if we're going to take a race away because like they say the whole Richmond thing is weird because Richmond is literally in the top five market every single week of like tuning in. People like Richmond, Virginia, that market is top five every single week. They can't sell tickets there.
So obviously the people in Richmond are race fans but even they know they're.
[01:18:02] Speaker B: Racist and it just sucks.
[01:18:03] Speaker A: It's not, it's not Richmond's fault the racing shitty. Like Richmond was awesome with the cars back in the day. Like there's so many awesome videos of hardcore ass badass racing from back in the day. But when I say back in the day, I'm literally talking like 20 years ago. So it's been a minute. They just, Richmond needed that like really high horsepower, really slick tire thing to.
[01:18:28] Speaker B: Happen because of all the banking.
[01:18:31] Speaker A: Yes. And so once that got took away even a little bit 20 years ago, it just kind of ever since a little bit more gets chipped off, it Just kind of made it worse, you know, over 20 years. So it's not. It's not Richmond. No, I think that's a car problem. But if that's the problem, you know, we want to take a shitty race and bring a new race, why not bring a damn cool race to. Yeah, you're not. Not a fucking. Another road course.
[01:18:57] Speaker B: Oh, I'm so sick of. I used to ask for more road courses back when there was only two.
[01:19:02] Speaker A: Because it was awesome. When you first started, when in your. In your era of coming in the NASCAR road course racing was top of the.
[01:19:10] Speaker B: Oh, it was awesome. And I wanted more. You know what? I didn't want seven of them. I didn't want all these damn road courses. I don't need, well, even four or five or six or seven. I just needed, like three or four. That's all I was asking for. And now all of a sudden, we're in this era where a third of the races are road courses, a third or short tracks, and the rest, we figure it out.
[01:19:34] Speaker A: And that's the thing. Like, we got more of them as they became worse.
[01:19:37] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. But like you said, it's a car. It's a car problem. I mean, every. Every car that's good at one thing is bad at another. Unless you're in 04 to 07.
[01:19:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Somehow they just had it nailed there.
[01:19:51] Speaker B: Where it was just awesome, but we messed with it. But so we've gone over our favorite moments. What was your to, like, biggest. Oh, my God, I can't believe that just happens. Like, you're. You're like, oh, my God, I can't believe that we had this happen in the season.
[01:20:11] Speaker A: One of my biggest, like, oh, my God, I can't believe that's happening. Was watching fucking Tyler Redick on older tires at Homestead just rip the fence on the last lap. Like, I literally. That was a moment I was sitting there, I was like, what the hell? Like, how I thought he had no shot on older tire, even though it was only like two laps or whatever it was two laps at Homestead, as everybody knows, this might as well be 200.
And to see him do that and just to see Ryan Blaney how shocked he was that it happened, and also to see Tyler Reddick how shocked he was that it happened for two opposite reasons. But that's the first thing that comes to mind where I was just like, that is. That's when you see those guys and you're like, damn, dude, you are talented. Like, that's something that.
That's like, where the. You know, a big football player, something that happens, and you're like, the average person couldn't do that.
[01:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:21:10] Speaker A: The average person could not put that car between the wall and Ryan Blaney and just be hammered ass all the way through the corner and hold it and win that race. Yeah. So that was. That was definitely one of my. Like, I just. I remember watching it and just being like, oh, my God.
[01:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:21:25] Speaker A: I can't believe that just happened.
[01:21:26] Speaker B: Absolutely. Mine was definitely the. The moment they called the 600 this year, brutal. That was my big one where I was just like, man, y'all have been building this up for weeks about the double, and it's the biggest race of our entire year. And when they called it for rain, I find I just threw my hands up in there. I was like, I cannot believe we just called this race. I can't believe that Kyle Larson never even got a chance to sit in his own race car. Like, I know it's a tough situation, and I know NASCAR was put in a tough place, but when they called that race for rain, I was just. My. My brain fell out. I was like, I cannot believe what I just heard. There's no way this is true.
[01:22:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And the way it happened with guys like Joe Gibbs and Denny Hamlin, everybody's like, they told us to get our suits on, put our stuff on, and get ready to go. And then after they said that, they were like, we're calling it.
[01:22:20] Speaker B: It's like, like, what is going on here?
[01:22:22] Speaker A: I think there's more to that story than the public will ever know.
[01:22:25] Speaker B: I almost guarantee it.
I almost guarantee it.
[01:22:31] Speaker A: Another. Another holy shit moment from this year was Josh Berry being upside down and hitting the wall head on and not being able to put the brakes on. Oh, yeah.
[01:22:42] Speaker B: That was a. That was a wild one.
[01:22:44] Speaker A: I remember watching that one and being like, holy shit. And then he's like, oh, it looked. He's grinning and smiling like, oh, it looked way worse than it really was. But it, like, damn. He was. I mean, he hit the wall upside down. Dude. That's his bat. I mean, that's. Yeah. Hitting the. I mean, you can't put the brakes on. You're just. You're just sliding.
[01:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Total, total wild situation. That was definitely scary. I mean, that was just. That was probably the most, like, frightened I've been for a driver after.
God help me out here. Guy that caught on fire and got pinned into the car there like, Jordan. Jordan Anderson. Thank you.
That was about the scariest wreck I've seen since that. It's like that wreck you just talked about, the Jordan Anderson wreck and then the Ryan Priest. Kyle Larson hit Dega or Daytona, whichever one. That was bad.
[01:23:35] Speaker A: Ryan Priest flipping last year.
[01:23:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that was.
[01:23:38] Speaker A: Was really.
[01:23:38] Speaker B: That was bad.
[01:23:40] Speaker A: Ryan Newman in 2020 was bad.
We were together for that.
[01:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was definitely, like, those are the moments that you remember forever and you never forget about them. Like, they're just ingrained into your mind. I'll never forget the Ryan Newman moment when we were quiet for 15 minutes waiting on word on that one.
[01:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And we didn't get word for a long time after.
[01:24:02] Speaker B: My other. Holy crap, I can't believe this has happened. In moment is when Austin Dillon got penalized for his finish and wasn't allowed to enter the playoffs due to a win.
A first of its kind call by NASCAR to take away a win for playoff eligibility due to absolute reckless driving. Just going out there and wrecking everybody. And it's so funny because when you first start talking to people about nascar, it's like, no, these guys go out there and beat and bang. They do crazy stuff and like anything goes. But we finally. We finally got told by NASCAR what the edge of anything goes is, and we found it right there.
A right hook and an absolute send into the wall.
[01:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And the whole right hook thing is that's probably where the line got crossed, honestly.
[01:24:51] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: That's because since, you know, the last couple years, we've already seen multiple guys get suspended for the right hook thing. So it's like if that wreck, you know, he pile drives Logano and then maybe he, I don't know, hit someone else in a different way. I feel like if he did it and it wasn't a right hook.
[01:25:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:25:14] Speaker A: Win probably sticks. It's all because it was a rock. Yeah.
[01:25:17] Speaker B: It wouldn't have been popular, but it would have. It would have still been a good win.
[01:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And they. They ended up saying that GS on that force were the hardest GS for a Joe Gibbs car since the next gen. Wow. I don't know if you.
[01:25:28] Speaker B: I remember hearing it. It's just so wild to hear that. And it was at Rich.
[01:25:33] Speaker A: It's because when Denny's car hit the wall, it stopped.
[01:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:25:35] Speaker A: Like, it didn't. It didn't. Like it didn't get to keep going or absorb anything. The way the car hit it just made the.
[01:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Because it hit it at a dirt. That's where all the G's head on 90°, nothing about it angle.
[01:25:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think that's where there was no.
Yeah, there was no sliding or nothing. He just hit the wall and stopped dead. So that's, like where that.
Yeah, that. That was bad. If it. But if it wasn't a left hook, it would have. It would. The. The call would have stand. I think, as they say in football. It would have.
[01:26:05] Speaker B: I think so. I think I agree with you on that one. Now. It's all right.
[01:26:08] Speaker A: Let's. Let's get to the last. Let's do it here because we. We got the news today.
[01:26:13] Speaker B: Yes. I've got to reread that tweet. If you want to go ahead and read it out, I gotta find it.
[01:26:19] Speaker A: So. So there's. What they're saying is this whole fight they were gonna basically, NASCAR wanted to make all those cars run as open cars.
[01:26:27] Speaker B: Yes, all the cars and all the cars for front row.
[01:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So they were going to be. And they weren't going to grant them yet. The charter.
Their extra charter. Because both of these teams are buying charters from shr. Both of them are. Yeah, they're both going from two cars to three cars.
So NASCAR was fighting that while this lawsuit goes on, they would have to run as open cars, and the teams were fighting that that would be detrimental and cause harm to our, you know, know, financials and whatever. It would just cause major harm.
[01:27:07] Speaker B: Absolutely. Because there's a possibility you may miss races due to that.
[01:27:11] Speaker A: Yes. And there's a clause, and it's not a clause in every single driver's thing because it keeps being brought up as Tyler Reddick, but the sponsors that are with Reddick and Reddick as a driver, if he's not in a chartered car, he can leave to go to another chartered car. It's not saying that he will or would have, but it's definitely something that's just in his claws contract because, like, Bubba's. They said Bubba is. He's in. He was in. He's locked in to 23:11. He doesn't have enough charter be able.
[01:27:41] Speaker B: To pull to make something like that.
[01:27:42] Speaker A: Happen, which is probably correct. Same thing with some of those other guys that are going to be with Front, you know, the younger guys at Row. But a guy like Redick, he. In his contract, and it's like I said, you only know this because it's been brought up every single week. He could leave if he wanted. Yeah, he could leave.
So anyway, that's what they were fighting for. And I got something else I want to bring up to you after I say this, because this came out just last week.
So they granted that while the lawsuit goes on, they will be chartered.
[01:28:17] Speaker B: I love that.
[01:28:18] Speaker A: And they have to. They have to nascar. The judge said NASCAR has to approve the sale because in the rules, NASCAR has to approve the sale of a charter going somewhere else. Like if someone wants to buy a charter and NASCAR says no, supposedly it can't. If NASCAR says no, it doesn't have to happen.
But the judge said that NASCAR has to approve it. They will all have all six charters next year and there will be 36 chartered race cars, not 30.
[01:28:43] Speaker B: See, I love that. I think, I think that was the right decision from the very get go. And I absolutely cannot stand that the first judge that was looking over this case decided against the teams because that.
[01:28:55] Speaker A: Okay, you have to. That was what I wanted to tell you. There's some insight about.
[01:28:59] Speaker B: Oh, is there?
[01:29:00] Speaker A: So, you know, they changed. They changed judges.
[01:29:01] Speaker B: I did not know about that.
[01:29:03] Speaker A: They changed judges in the middle of this last week. And it got handed to a different judge. And this different judge, his first weekend changes the ruling. Okay, I read. And it was a big viral tweet on Twitter. But supposedly there was some sort of conflict of interest because the first judge's wife works for nascar.
[01:29:26] Speaker B: Ooh.
[01:29:28] Speaker A: So there's a whole ordeal. I don't know how true that is, but it was all it was on one of the main people's things.
[01:29:34] Speaker B: Let's get our keyboard warriors on this right now.
[01:29:38] Speaker A: But super weird thing in there. He gets taken off the case. They get put this other guy on the case and the first thing he.
[01:29:46] Speaker B: Does is this ruling, which is amazing. Like this is how it should have turned out from the very beginning. And if you disagree with that, you either work for NASCAR or you're blind. Because at the end of the day, it just makes sense that we have a major contract issue when it comes to these charters. And there's no need at all for the entire season to have to stop for two teams to be able to fight this out. Because that is the very definition of the exact thing they are trying to sue NASCAR for. As it stands, they're suing NASCAR for being a monopoly and taking advantage of the amount of power that they have. And the very first thing that NASCAR does in response to this is get them denied for a ability to be able to race as normal because they're suing nascar. I mean, it just, it's a story that literally just feeds into itself. I mean, you're, you're getting sued from monopolistic practices and Your first response to the lawsuit is to do something monopolistic. And I know that was a judge's ruling, but I mean, that's just, it's, it just if it's a self fulfilling prophecy, like we're telling you what you're doing wrong and you're continuing to do it in our face while we're trying to solve this problem. So I could not have been more happy when you sent that tweet earlier today when it said that they could race this chartered team because that nothing would be worse than bringing in one of the biggest sports idols of all time in the NASCAR and Michael Jordan and running him out within three or four seasons because you cannot have it in you to change your business practices to make it fairer.
[01:31:24] Speaker A: They, they, they can't own him. They want to own him. Yeah. Or not own him. You know what I mean?
[01:31:28] Speaker B: They want to like, they want to.
[01:31:29] Speaker A: Be in control him.
[01:31:30] Speaker B: And he's just going over there like, nah, you finally found a dog big enough that he can bite back.
[01:31:35] Speaker A: That's, that's the thing. And I can't remember if I've said this on the podcast, but I've said it to you.
Okay, so NASCAR is worth.
No one knows what NASCAR is worth because it's all private. It's a private business. So you don't know. But Brett Griffin says if Michael Jordan's got 15 billion, the NASCAR's got 40. Yeah, he, you know, just saying and you know, worth or whatever, Whatever.
You know, the only person that's really ever fought NASCAR was Jeremy Mayfield. Jeremy Mayfield's a driver. He's a millionaire. Yeah. Millionaires can't fight billionaires, much less 40 times billionaires. Okay. And you got a guy no matter what these guys that, like I've said it on here before, even with a billion, a one billionaire is not going to fight a 40 times billionaire. It just physically cannot happen. But you get a guy like Michael Jordan who has ungodly amounts of money and continues to make that money every single year outside of racing.
[01:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:32:43] Speaker A: His, his net worth does not depend on what racing is.
He can fight this fight and not give a fuck.
[01:32:50] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:32:51] Speaker A: And he's never had anyone.
Yes. NASCAR's never had anyone that was big enough to be able to stand up to them because there's rich people in racing. But being rich and being a, you know, being worth 40 billion is two different things. Yeah.
So that's, that's where they just found it. Like you said, found a dog. There's a dog big enough to hunt in this fight. Yeah.
[01:33:16] Speaker B: And this is just the best thing that could have happened is having this appeal granted because we're not. They're not even asking for damages to be paid. They're just asking to be treated fairly as a member of the sport for the ongoing proceedings. Because this isn't a bad faith lawsuit. This is the teams just approaching NASCAR and saying, we need more. We cannot continue to operate under the way that we have it right now. And you need to know that because you're going to start losing fans, teams, drivers, and talent the longer that this keeps going on. And that's what they're trying to do right now. Denny's not coming onto his podcast every day and cussing NASCAR out. There's a mutual respect there. They understand where they're coming from, but they need to understand what the drivers are coming from. And this appeal being granted just lets them know that, hey, at least in the meantime, you don't have to worry about being completely undersold. And even if you lose this lawsuit, it is what it is. You spend a lot of money on legal fees, but at least give these teams the chance to operate in the same way they would have normally, while also pointing out that the new contract they wanted them to sign is just completely unfair and completely biased towards nascar.
[01:34:31] Speaker A: Okay, here's my question. Is this all. Do we have to deal with all this bullshit again in 7 years?
[01:34:36] Speaker B: I have a feeling that whenever they do come out with the ruling on this case, it's going to completely shake up the way that charter agreements are even ranked, because I feel like there's going to. Either because they're suing them for monopolistic practices. And typically what happens when you lose a case where someone calls you a monopoly? They, for the sec, will force you to sell off pieces or parts of your organization, so that way there's more.
[01:35:02] Speaker A: Copies, whether it be tracks or other.
[01:35:05] Speaker B: It could be a lot of different things, but it seems like this entire case is centered around the charter agreement. So I think the fairest and most honest way for NASCAR to divest themselves a little bit to give the teams more power, because that's what this lawsuit's all about. I think you see the teams permanently own charters and it become more of a franchise kind of situation like they've always been talking about. But that's the. That's my 2 cents from a podcast listener guy just coming in on it. But that's typically what they'd make you do is like divest in some way in your business. To allow other people to come in and compete with you. So that way there's more money across the board for everybody and the consumer's not hurt.
[01:35:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing about this whole ordeal. I think this was explained to. It seems that this was explained to them as a franchise seven years ago when this all became a thing.
And that's like what everybody almost like took it as.
And then seven years comes up and it's like, no, we, nascar, we still own these. Like, we're.
We own these, you know, or whatever. And it's like, no, I, I paid, you know, 50 million or whatever. Some of these guys have paid for these 25 to 50 million. And it's like, you don't own that. That's not yours. I, I paid for that and I paid. Not just paid, but paid a lot of money.
[01:36:24] Speaker B: And that's.
[01:36:25] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[01:36:25] Speaker B: That's like a very solid point of why. I think that they could definitely tell them, like, whoever has a charter right now needs to own those charters outright. There needs to be no ability for NASCAR to take one away unless it's something absolutely fucking egregious down the road. I mean, and even at that point, I think it would still be something that NASCAR itself could not re own by any way. But I think that would change the way the negotiations happen, because now you're talking to entities that own pieces of your sport rather than entities that pay a lot of money to other people to lease a chance to be in your sport. But, yeah, it more than likely will. I'm sure it'll have a lot to do with the ownership of the charters. But I also wonder if there's going to be a way in which the courts can force NASCAR to allot more money to the teams through media broadcast deals or something like that. Or they could. This is like the most extreme example of what could happen. They could force NASCAR to sell or become public or something. I don't, I don't know that that is possible, that they can make them become public, but they can definitely make them divest a little bit. So it'll just be interesting to see how this all plays out. It's a lot more complicated than I know enough about.
[01:37:40] Speaker A: But here's one last thing that I want to talk about, and I feel like this could go.
People could look at this two ways.
So it just got. It was talked about earlier this year that this could happen, but it is. This is now for sure going to happen this coming year, and it's on it's recently posted on Adam Stern's account.
NASCAR is going to pay drivers to promote the sport upwards from the scales. Like 100 grand to a million dollars, really. Highest of a million.
So is that saying that like NASCAR is going to pay these guys basically.
So there's never ever. There's never been a time where NASCAR has paid the driver ever. So this is a first for that. Does this mean now they're gonna have like contracts with NASCAR for an extra million a year and. And the drivers can't be vocal anymore? Or can a driver say, you know, I got plenty of money, I'm not doing that, I'm gonna keep doing my own thing. Or does this mean that they're gonna do appearances or they're gonna do promote the sport, you know, like appearances, go do stuff, you know, at the local Walmart and stuff like that back in the day, but it was all sponsor driven, not NASCAR driven. So like, so you know how there's like the owners and the like Coca Cola. What is it? Coca Cola Bush and it was Geico. I know they're leaving and oh, like your major. Whatever.
[01:39:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, Expensive, exactly.
[01:39:16] Speaker A: All that. So yeah. So like they're involved in nascar. Does that mean they. And like when they go to these things, instead of it being like Ryan Priest or Brad Keselowski going to Kroger and doing like a Kroger promotion thing, like, like a random driver, you know, whoever is going to go do a Coca Cola thing or something?
[01:39:35] Speaker B: I just don't know.
[01:39:35] Speaker A: That's me talking. I don't know how this works. So like, is it because they're going to post on social media and be like nascar so awesome and all this, like, what is that? What is all does that entail? And does that mean the drivers can't talk shit basically about NASCAR and Goodyear and the tires and all that. Does it like limit their voice even more?
[01:39:53] Speaker B: That's a great question. And I mean great way to look at it too, because I haven't even heard about that yet myself.
[01:39:59] Speaker A: I will find right now and send it to you.
[01:40:01] Speaker B: No, I.
[01:40:02] Speaker A: It was semi recent.
[01:40:03] Speaker B: Man. That makes me wonder because you'd think that as a driver they would want to have that kind of term pre negotiated. They would want to know what they were getting into because they have busy lives, as it already stands.
But that's so strange. I mean there's a thousand different ways that could get implemented. But I'm sure it has something to do with drivers in NASCAR talking specifically and saying, okay, what are you willing to do. And we'll tell you how much we're willing to pay you for it.
Man, that's wild. That's a wild thing to even hear about. But I totally get where you're coming from too, with the fact that if they tell you that you're out here promoting nascar, but you can't be going out here and promoting NASCAR in a negative light. And since we're paying you to promote us, you're not allowed to talk down on us, which, I mean, talk about having a monopoly. That's a great way to do it. Well, we'll pay you extra money to talk really nice things about us, but we'll take it all away if you'd say anything back.
[01:40:55] Speaker A: Okay, so here's the tweet. NASCAR plans to have a decidedly driver centric marketing focus in 2025 as the series starts an incentive program that will pay drivers anywhere from tens of thousands to up to a million dollars for their efforts to promote the store each season.
[01:41:13] Speaker B: Me just hearing that, my first initial reaction to that is we really want to have more drivers in our commercials talking directly to the fans, and we'll pay the drivers based off the number of. Of appearances that they have.
[01:41:27] Speaker A: NASCAR thinks there have been a lot, perhaps too many different marketing messages in the industry recently. And getting a different. And getting different stakeholders all signing from the same hymn book is going to be a big goal. Sorry, Singing from the same hymn book is going to be a big goal for 2025.
[01:41:44] Speaker B: I hear that, as per Steve O'Donagh, NASCAR really wants to be in control of the media when it comes to marketing for nascar. So they want to bring it in house, which is a wild move to be making when you're already getting sued for being a monopoly. But that is beyond the scope of that argument. But I just, I look at that as NASCAR really wants there to be one voice for NASCAR and they want it to be NASCAR's voice. So they don't want, they don't want a bunch of different people, a bunch of different places talking about NASCAR if they don't have control over it. Because they want there to only be one way that you hear about nascar and it's the only way they want you to hear about it.
[01:42:28] Speaker A: Yep, that's.
[01:42:28] Speaker B: That's how I interpret that, at least.
[01:42:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it's weird. It's like got to come from them or, or something.
[01:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's over.
I. It also, you know what, it also makes me wonder, could they put a asterisk on the incentive program saying yeah, you can come and be in our commercials and do our media availabilities and do our media things for PR purposes as nascar, but if you go and do it for somebody else, we can void all payments to you or something crazy like that. I mean, it just, it puts them in a weird spot, honestly, like limiting it like that. Which it would be one thing if it was like the NFL where there was complete ownership disparity and everybody could have their own opinion about things. Like all the teams have to agree on something, all the players as a union have to agree on something. But when it's just NASCAR and nobody else's opinion matters, that's, that's tough.
[01:43:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the problem. So that's, that's Monopoly.
[01:43:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean it, it just seems like every other day we're hearing about some other way in which NASCAR's trying to take possession of the sport, which I get. But on the other hand, like, you just have to understand that you're bigger than a private company used to. That you used to be. There's a lot more going on here now. I don't know, I just think that's more of the same that we've been getting in 2024 where it's just like, oh, they're going to try to put a positive spin on this. But the more that you read into it, I'm right there with you. Like the more you read into it, the more you really don't know exactly what's going to come out of that.
[01:44:00] Speaker A: Yeah, all interesting stuff. Yeah, I feel like we covered, covered a lot here today on this hour, almost two hour podcast of the.
[01:44:10] Speaker B: I don't even know how long it was because I can only see when I last dropped out and came back in. So I've only seen an hour, but yeah, that's a good word.
[01:44:17] Speaker A: An hour and 45.
[01:44:18] Speaker B: Love it. Well, if you want to know how much we love nascar, we pulled up longer podcast off season than we did on season.
[01:44:26] Speaker A: Yes. So thank you all for listening. Like I said, we're going to do a couple more of these this off season. A couple more like history, I think things like our favorite moments, all time stuff like that. There's going to be plenty to talk about throughout the off season with more of the stuff coming in. But I'm Dawson Edwards, you can find me on Dawson Edwards music all across the board.
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[01:44:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. Caleb and yo, what up? My name is Caleb Conrady and You can find me at Caleb Conrady, across the board, everywhere you find your fine and lovely NASCAR news.
And yes, thank you all for listening. We really appreciate it. I know we don't get around as much during the off season, and we've been a little sporadic lately, but we love doing this, and we love having everybody listen to it. Honestly, it's the only thing that keeps Dawson waking up every morning is knowing that he's a part of this Raised Dragon Racing podcast. So if it wasn't for this, he really wouldn't have much to much to be excited about throughout his day.
[01:45:30] Speaker A: So, yeah, I wouldn't have much going on.
[01:45:32] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. Thanks for giving him something to do every day.
I mean, we love the guy. It's. It's. It's tough being Dawson. It's a pretty boring life, you know? But either way, we appreciate y'all listening. And, dude, I can't wait to do another one. We'll have to come around with our season 20, 25 predictions here soon, because.
[01:45:51] Speaker A: Before we know it, 500 season thunder.
[01:45:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Another preseason Thunder.
[01:45:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:45:58] Speaker B: I love it.
[01:46:00] Speaker A: All right, thank y'all very much.
[01:46:01] Speaker B: Yeah, we love y'all. We'll see y'all later. Adio.
[01:46:07] Speaker A: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black it ain't got a big white number three turning left around a track but you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away these good years can't handle dirt don't need no curves with banks what I lacking horses I make up with four by four I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door Checkers, wreckers, my ride foot taming on the gas I'm making my way to you, girl Earn hard fast.
