S1: Episode 18: The Room 310 Sessions

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is raise rowdy racing with Caleb. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Conrady and Dawson Edwards. Good morning, beautiful people from Pueblo, Colorado. [00:00:19] Speaker A: Heck yeah. Good old Pueblo, Colorado. The land of a thousand people, parking. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Lot drug addicts and no plastic bags at Walmart. [00:00:28] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. But they did have diecasts so there was at least something going on there. [00:00:32] Speaker B: They had the old Kimmy rocket in a bunch of blaney diecasts. [00:00:38] Speaker A: This is either a huge blaney town because they get them a lot or is not a huge blaney town because nobody buys them. [00:00:42] Speaker B: They hate blaney in Colorado. [00:00:44] Speaker A: They must something's going on with that. [00:00:46] Speaker B: I think it's funny. [00:00:46] Speaker A: I think it's wild. He's a fine gentleman. I don't know what's up with everybody around here. [00:00:50] Speaker B: I don't know. He pushed Bob Pockerus yesterday. It was pretty weird. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Bob was asking for it. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Damn. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Heck yeah. Well, it's a little bit of a weird one today. We're having to record in our hotel room in Pueblo up here. We're still out on the road with Travis Strit. We left last Monday night. Had our first show in Knoxville, Tennessee, for the Tennessee Valley Fair last Tuesday. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Really big show. It was really big. [00:01:18] Speaker A: We went walking around the fair and honestly the fair was was they had. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Some of the biggest roosters I've ever seen in my whole entire life. For real. [00:01:26] Speaker A: And they had like really long ass legs. Like they were some tall roosters too. Like skinny bird legs, man. They had what they call them? [00:01:33] Speaker B: They had a name for those. I can't remember. We saw them outside. They were like what did it say? Like 31 inches tall or something crazy like that. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah, like aggressive too. They said they were aggressive chickens. And it was hilarious because if I saw a chicken with three foot long legs running at me at 90 miles an hour, I'd be pretty fucking afraid. [00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't even remember the name of that breed of bird. But yeah, big fair. We went from there. We had a day off. Went from there to Shipshawana, Indiana, which is a little Amish town. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And we've been there one time before. Long, long time ago. And I never knew about what you're about to talk about. When we were there the first time. [00:02:12] Speaker B: We were probably because we were there on a weekend. But a buddy not a buddy. Derek, the lighting guy. Well, he is a budy. Sorry. He's a budy and also a coworker. He told us he's from Michigan. And Ship Shawana is on the Michigan Indiana border. And he had told us the night before that the Midwest largest flea market is in this place. So we go to the flea market. They also have like a livestock thing there where they've got cows and horses and they're having an auction with that. And we spent like 6 hours at this flea market. My phone said we walked over 5 miles. [00:02:51] Speaker A: I believe every bit of it too. [00:02:52] Speaker B: And I had a backpack on, and my back was hurting. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Yeah, we woke up and went ate pizza, and then I was carrying a pizza box my leftovers, because I got a big Chicago style and didn't expect a medium sized pizza to be as big as it freaking was. It was unbelievable. And I was carrying that thing around for all 5 miles of our walk, buying stuff for the dog, buying stuff for Allison, some stuff for me. It was a great day, but, man, I told everybody, worst idea you can have when you work our jobs we're already walking like 10 miles a day is to take your off day and go walk another 5 miles. Because by the time we were done with day three of the next three shows in a row, I was so wore out and dead. My knees hurt, my back hurt, my pride hurt. Gave myself a concussion halfway through it all. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Tell the people about your concussion. [00:03:44] Speaker A: Caleb. Caleb. [00:03:46] Speaker B: He's been concussed, like, for real, I think. [00:03:50] Speaker A: We we did our show in Shipshawana, and it went pretty good. Really like that place. I like going back there, and we left there and went to Columbia, Illinois. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Is this where the concussion came? [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yes, it was, which was right outside of St. Louis. We were playing at a big event called Songs for Soldiers, and it was a really cool event all for veterans. They had a really neat, like, big boom cherry picker display with all these different flags of every branch of the military, big American flag and the POW flag flying in there. So it was a really cool event. I really enjoyed the heck out of it. But in the middle of the show, I take pictures for Travis. If you see any of his Instagram posts of shows going on, more than likely the pictures you're seeing are the ones that I'm taking during the show with my phone. And I was trying to cross into the crowd, but there was a large semi truck that went and extended from the stage out to stage left. And instead of wanting to walk all the way around this 53 foot semi trailer, I decided that it would be a great idea to just try to cross underneath it and just duck down low enough to where I could get over there without having to walk all the way around. And I was rewarded for my laziness by hitting the support beam that was on that truck. But it's so dark, I didn't even see it. And I ducked down low enough, I get halfway through it, and I'm scooting at a pretty good rate of speed, and I've been over double, and next thing I know, I feel my back right where my neck connects to my back. Just hit this support beam as hard as I possibly could. Like, I was trying to like I was a lineman trying to tackle somebody and when I hit that, it caused my head to bounce back up. Like the force of it caused my head to go straight up. And I knocked my head into the bottom of this semi trailer and it was like I just got hit by a 350 pound lineman because I just stopped dead on my tracks and fell right back onto my ass. And I had to sit there for about 10 seconds and regroup before I was able to get up and move again. And I've still got the mark across my back. Showers are still burning right now. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Caleb's back the first day he does this, so he tells me about it and he shows me his back. His back is purple. I'm not shitting you. I mean purple. His back is purple. And I was like, dude, holy shit. Well, then we get to loading the truck and you forget a couple things. And then you forget a couple more things. And then I was like, dude, do you got a concussion? And then the next day comes and Caleb forgets a couple more things. He tells the people his wrong room number. His little brain wasn't clicking on all cylinders. And I was like, this man is concussed. He's got a concussion. [00:06:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been rough. [00:06:39] Speaker C: It's been a rough last couple of days. [00:06:41] Speaker A: I really got beat up. [00:06:42] Speaker B: He's getting back at it. [00:06:43] Speaker A: I don't know what to tell you. It's been a rough couple days for your boy. [00:06:48] Speaker B: He's has all the symptoms of a concussion. He can't look at light. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Damn it's. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Bad headaches. We're going to take him to a doctor. Probably needs to here in Colorado. [00:06:57] Speaker A: I don't know if I would trust a doctor here in Colorado. They're just going to give me a big pack of gummies and call it. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, they're definitely all high here. [00:07:03] Speaker A: Yeah, no doubt about it. But anyway, we left the concussion behind and we did another show at the Kansas City Ameristar Casino. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Our third time there. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah, the venue we've been to the most so far. I've been to the House of Blues and Myrtle Beach twice. Now for this particular tour, I know we went once with you back in the day, but for this particular tour, we've only been to places twice. And this was our third time for this. It's it's become every nine month tradition with Travis Tripp playing this casino. We do it every year. Towards the end of the year, it's always a good time. Get the hotel rooms right there on site. [00:07:42] Speaker B: The hotel rooms are nice. Yeah, they really are. They got to work on the stage and the PA at the Maristar. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah, they could use a bit of an upgrade. And I think they got it yesterday because when we started out the PA, it was making this weird flutter sound just as they were trying to tune it. It was a very strange noise, but I think they're going to work on it. I think they're going to get something new. Hopefully by the time we're there again, they have more staff, and they have a newer PA and maybe a newer stage deck, because that'd be awesome, because it's starting. [00:08:14] Speaker B: It's, like, put together in its little, like, four x eight spots, and then when one four x eight spot meets another one, it dips about two inches. It's great for tripping hazards. [00:08:25] Speaker A: Heck, yeah. Which is exactly what you want when it's dark and your artist is up there trying to dance around and entertain a crowd, have a whole bunch of places you could trip. It's just the best. [00:08:33] Speaker B: It's incredible. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Yeah. It just makes everything give a little element of danger that you just really want to have during a show. It's extremely important to the vibe up there to be in danger the whole time you're doing it. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we drove from Long Drive from there, Kansas City to here in Pueblo. And it took, what, like 10 hours? [00:08:56] Speaker A: It took us, I think, every minute of Chuck's ten hour clock. I think we used almost every one of them. [00:09:01] Speaker B: We went to Walmart and saw So we're just south I say just south. It's like 2 hours south of Denver, about an hour south of Colorado Springs. So naturally, everybody here is Denver Broncos fan. So we go into the Walmart, me and Caleb buy some summer sausage, some know, stuff to we're going to watch the games and everything, just have a couple snacks. And everyone in this place is wearing a Denver Broncos jersey or Russell Wilson thing. And then they got this very impressed by this, but they had a huge sporting section in this sporting, like, merchandise. [00:09:36] Speaker A: Might have been the biggest Walmart I've ever been to. So they had room to do this. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah, this walmart was massive. And they don't have plastic sacks at the Walmart here in Colorado. I just want to say that again. I think I already said that once. [00:09:48] Speaker A: You did? But it was where we learned, because we were idiots. And we walked into this Walmart thing, and we're just with no buggy, we didn't grab a cart, and we just started walking around. We started picking up stuff. [00:09:58] Speaker B: First. [00:09:58] Speaker A: We stopped at the diecast. I got a couple you got one or two. You got one for Bud? [00:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I bought a badass Melly yellow 69 Camaro funny car. It was badass. It really was. [00:10:10] Speaker A: It was. And we grabbed a couple of those, and we found that sporting section, and it was impressive. [00:10:14] Speaker B: I mean, biggest one I've ever seen. It looked like you were in. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Like, a Broncos fanatic. All Koozies shirts. They even had packets of clothes hangers you could buy in the team colors. [00:10:27] Speaker B: They had black. They were selling eye black at Walmart. Like, had the Broncos logo. [00:10:31] Speaker A: And we should have done that for the podcast. [00:10:35] Speaker B: We should have got it. [00:10:36] Speaker A: I didn't pick it up. [00:10:36] Speaker B: We look like idiots. [00:10:38] Speaker A: I did grab a Broncos, a little tiny football that we've been playing. [00:10:41] Speaker B: We played with it last night, threw it around with the hotel room. [00:10:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:47] Speaker B: And then we come back to the hotel. We turned Caleb's hotel room into a straight party pad. I mean, there's just beer and food and salsa and footballs and just kind of like a college dorm room. Just like kind of the party pad we turned into that fast. [00:11:05] Speaker A: And I'm going to put a sign on the outside of it before Monday Night Football tonight that says the party pad. Everybody's invited. [00:11:13] Speaker B: All shooters welcome. That can be the tattoo you get. It says all shooters welcome. Colorado. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Man, we should. [00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Me and Caleb are also there's a tattoo shop, literally like a football slow away from the hotel. So we're thinking about getting tattoos. We just don't know what to get. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Something Colorado esque. I was thinking of the flag. Problem is, the flag looks so much cooler in color. And I don't know if I want to pay for that color extra. [00:11:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not definitely not paying for it. [00:11:40] Speaker A: I just want color work. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but yesterday we watched all the football games. We consumed as much football as, like, humanly possible. [00:11:50] Speaker A: We watched I had one on the computer and one on the TV at all times, one on the bus. [00:11:54] Speaker B: I watched the Falcons game in my room. Somehow in Colorado, they had the Falcons and Green Bay game playing, which blew my mind, but cool. And watch the Chiefs game. Chiefs and Jaguars. [00:12:08] Speaker A: Then we came in here and watched the Broncos give up a huge lead to the Commanders. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah. That was what I wanted to get to, watching Denver screw one over. While we were in Colorado. While we were in Denver. Right south of Denver. So we're not the biggest Russell Wilson fans. Not for any particular reason. He's just kind of dorky lame. I don't know. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Let's ride. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Let's ride. Broncos country. So it's just kind of funny to watch to watch Denver lose. They talk so much shit. Sean Payton talks so much shit about the head coach that coached him last year. So it's just funny that they're starting to give him shit. And he's owing two now. So that whole deal is kind of funny to me. And then tonight we have Carolina and the Saints and Steelers. Browns. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:01] Speaker B: And we're going to do it again. Consume some beers and get a tattoo. [00:13:05] Speaker A: And watch some football. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:07] Speaker A: It's going to be great. It's what we do on these off days because we have today off as Lowell we had yesterday and today. And then we also have the next two days off in these hotel rooms. So it's basically a challenge of finding something to entertain yourself with. And thank God for NFL football starting up right before we did this. So we have something to do for the first two days. The last two, I don't know what we're going to do with ourselves, but I don't know. [00:13:29] Speaker B: We get there and we're also colorado is in the mountain time zone, so we're like 2 hours behind Eastern time. So it's super weird. The football games and everything are starting at like 11:00 a.m.. The games are over, I feel like about the times the games normally start on Central and Eastern time zone, so that was pretty funny. We were in bed, everybody's in bed last night by like eleven. There was just nothing else going on. All right. [00:13:56] Speaker A: And we had already drank a 30 rack of beer and thrown this football around. We watched some goofy dude on an outdoors show. [00:14:03] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:14:05] Speaker A: He kept calling it Zimbabwe. [00:14:08] Speaker B: That was top tier. [00:14:09] Speaker A: He was just doing a bunch of canned hunts. [00:14:11] Speaker B: I tried to find it back in my room and I got here and I couldn't find it. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Buck McNeely, dude, that was awesome. [00:14:15] Speaker B: This dude was coked out. His face was as red as my truck. [00:14:20] Speaker A: It was. And he's just staring at this safari hunter guide. And you can tell the hunter guide's a little uncomfortable with everything and just getting his soul stared out of him the whole time he's doing this show and they're just taking shots at animals that are maybe 15ft away. And it was just weird. [00:14:38] Speaker B: It was super odd. It was a super OD show and it was so fake looking. It looked like something that was filmed in like the 90s. [00:14:43] Speaker A: It did. It was just wild. [00:14:45] Speaker B: For all we know, it could have been filmed in the really have no idea. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but weird, weird, weird. End of the day and I enjoyed every second of it. We were laughing our tails off. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it was me, Derek, and Caleb. And we are literally laughing so hard we couldn't even see straight because this dude on there, I was just cracking the fuck up. [00:15:03] Speaker A: It was it was funny. And I would totally do it again. We'll probably do it again tonight. I have to see if anybody else wants to join in on the party pad. We'll just have seven people up in the hotel room. [00:15:12] Speaker B: NFL football start about 05:00 p.m.. So about time people get off work. I guess they just come home from work, watch football. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Dang, is it that early here? That's just crazy. That's just way early for football to be that's crazy. [00:15:23] Speaker B: The game will be over by like 09:00 and then on the East Coast, the game starts like 830. [00:15:28] Speaker A: Dang, we're going to have to go get this tattoo quick. Yeah, we were running late for the game anyways. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Talk a little racing. Why not? I'm here for it. [00:15:37] Speaker A: It's a hard week for us to watch. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah, we got screwed, man. All three races was Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We had shows Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Right when the races were coming on. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I tried to watch as much as I could in and off the bus, but there's only so much you can do when you got to be on stage or taking pictures out in the crowd. [00:15:54] Speaker B: If there wouldn't have been the rain delays in the cup race, we would have got to see a fat chunk of it. And we saw up until the last, like, 20 laps, I should take that back. We got to watch most of the bush race. [00:16:06] Speaker A: We did get to see most as. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Soon as Junior pulled in pit road, though, everybody's like, oh, fuck this. We're going to work over as soon as Junior Pitt. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah, we had about ten minutes left to go before the show started, the whole bus. And we were just like, well, Augar is going to win this. We're going back. [00:16:20] Speaker B: The whole bus here again. We always talk about it. The whole bus is in the front lounge watching Dell Jr. Try to run down. They're running like the top five is literally he cover them with a blanket like they're running right there on top. [00:16:30] Speaker A: Of each other, which is phenomenal racing. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Way better than the cup race. We'll put that out there. Go ahead and put that out there. Yeah, but yeah, literally the whole bus is just like, okay, wait and wait and wait and see what Junior does. Pulls down pit road. Boom. Off the bus. [00:16:45] Speaker A: We as immediately. It was funny, but that was a lot of fun. And I just enjoyed the hell I mean, I know we're skipping over the cup race right now, but there's a reason, because Dale Jr's. Just got a magnetism about him when he gets on the racetrack. It's so funny to watch how NBC knows that there's a battle for the lead going on and they're just telling you about that. But they have the cameras absolutely focused on that 88 Helman's car going around the track, because no one cares about anything going on except for when Dale Jr. Is running in the top five where he's at, because he was leading. [00:17:18] Speaker B: Laps, leading laps, leading laps, and looking great. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Easily one of the fastest cars on the race. It was between him and the seven, really. And if it wasn't for the seven going back and taking that pit stop and having fresher tires, if there was no fire in Dale's car, it would have probably still been man, what an what an awesome battle it would have been to see him battling one of his own cars for the win at Bristol, of all places. For Dale Jr. Who coined the Bristol baby term. [00:17:43] Speaker B: He did. Let's also let's also talk about how good it is to see an earnhardt in a blue and yellow Chevrolet. [00:17:52] Speaker A: That is really neat. I always enjoy the hell. [00:17:54] Speaker B: It just makes my little heart happy. Little bitty heart, little bitty heart, little bitty brain. [00:17:59] Speaker A: But don't tell your heart your achy breaky heart. Dale Jr's car caught on fire. [00:18:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that was sad. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Might as well get to it now. It may be an early hack of the week, but I feel like we. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Should let's just lay into it right now. Hack of the week coming within the first 18 minutes of the show. That's a new record. [00:18:18] Speaker A: It was. It is. But the hack of the week, the award you don't want, but you got to earn it the hard way. Dale Jr's. Car catching on fire. [00:18:30] Speaker B: We were so sad. It was a sad thing to watch. [00:18:34] Speaker A: It really was, man. I still can't believe it. I still haven't heard the official diagnosis. I thought you might have, but I. [00:18:42] Speaker B: Haven'T seen one thing on Twitter. He said the only you guys saw he said he smelled some fire on one lap. The next lap, he saw some fire down in his feet. And then the third lap, he started filling the fire. And that's when he was like, I got to get out of here. At this point, that's a rough three laps for your boy, especially, man, when you're that fast and you led that. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Many laps, it's like and the one race you're going to run this year, he's running Homestead. Or the one race he normally runs a year. I mean, he doesn't run a lot. [00:19:09] Speaker B: He does not. [00:19:10] Speaker A: And for him to go out there and have such a good performance and then for it to end in such a disappointing just it took the wind out of our sails. That's the reason why the bus evacuated after that was done. We just went. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Kayla's rocking the shirt, though. I am. [00:19:23] Speaker A: Just because found this at the vintage market they have in this Fifth and Broadway thing they have down in Nashville downtown now, which your thing of you. [00:19:32] Speaker B: To wear for Fifth and Broadway. [00:19:34] Speaker A: I had no idea that they would have old NASCAR shit in there, but they did. They had another shirt, too, but I can't remember what it was now. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, we always talk about bets at the end. And we will talk about bets. But since we're talking about the Xfinity race, I just wanted to say know, I never sports bet up until this year. And so getting to bet on Dell Jr. I was like, holy shit. So I put money on Dell Jr. To win as a joke, really, just to say I did it. And then he's leading all these laps and I'm like, holy shit. He's like, plus 3600 to win the race. I'm like, holy shit. [00:20:06] Speaker A: And he might just do it. [00:20:07] Speaker B: And he might just do it, which I was confident in this bet, I put him to beat the nine car of Brandon Jones. And then if you watch the race, we can talk about that. If you watch the race. So Jones, Berry, and the one car, they're all running beside each other in the one and the eight make contact and on TV. And if you know Josh Berry, I feel like you would automatically not think this, but on TV it looks like Josh Berry just, I mean, says fuck you, and knock the shit out of him. But won their teammates that's definitely not in Josh Berry's manner. And they go and when they hit and blew the tire right front on the eight car and that took out the one, the eight and the nine. Yeah. So Junior had five cars in the race. Boom. Three of them going right there. [00:20:53] Speaker A: And I just can't believe the it's been the way Junior Motorsports has operated all season long. Part of it is because it shows you how consistent they are, team to team to team. All of them are always running around each other. Is the reason why this is even possible that it could happen. But on top of that, you have them constantly ending up in the same wrecks. I mean, every time Dale Jr. Loses one car, he loses two. And sometimes if he's really lucky, he loses three all at the same time. I just don't understand how one team can cause themselves so many problems all year long. It just seems like they constantly are hitting each other, beating and banging. It's like, good Lord, guys, let's get it together, man. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. They've costed themselves more races on their own than other people have costed them. [00:21:40] Speaker A: It's true. [00:21:40] Speaker B: They have wrecked themselves that many times this season. [00:21:43] Speaker A: And that's not to say I think anybody's at fault for any of these things. I mean, it's just sometimes just bad luck. It just seems to be a lot of bad luck going on for Junior this year. They're just not having the same years if they've been having lately. And they definitely even he says it. I don't know what we need to change. Maybe my attitude needs to change, who knows? But something's got to be a little different because we can't keep going out here and having these mistakes and we can't keep running this way. And honestly, Dale, you need to get Brandon Jones out of that nine car. [00:22:12] Speaker B: They just resigned him, though. Oh, God. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Dang, man. I just don't understand the obsession with Brandon Jones. Even Benny Hamlin just talked about how he feels like he's regressed this year. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I do not get Brandon Jones at all. It is weird, though. He was fighting for the top four last year and then, boom, hasn't even been relevant. He's probably had like I don't want to say, but not he hadn't finished. [00:22:33] Speaker A: In the top ten much and missed the playoffs in a car that is playoff won the championship how many times? Two, three? [00:22:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that car won ten races last year with Noah Graxon driving it. I mean, damn. [00:22:45] Speaker A: So I don't know what's going on over there with Junior, but knowing him, that team will have a better year next year. I wouldn't be surprised for them to come out and be vying for way more championship spots, but this just hasn't been the year for them, which kind of sucks. But you'll have that. You can't be on top every year. It just isn't going to happen. And it just hurts. When you're a fan of the team owner, it's hard to watch them have a bad year, but I think they'll get there. It showed with the speed that they had at Bristol this week. They're still there, they're still relevant, they're. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Still going to run sevens, won some races. Like I said, Junior ran great. [00:23:19] Speaker A: It just sucks whenever there's only one junior car out of five left at the end of the race. Yeah, that's just wild. [00:23:25] Speaker B: Hard to believe. Really hard to believe. But anyways, we'll move on to the cup race. Mr. Big Bad Villain. Lindsay's favorite driver, denny Hamlin. [00:23:36] Speaker A: I love that Lindsay's favorite driver is Denny Hamlin. And he posted that post on Twitter after he did, after he won the race. I just beat your favorite driver. [00:23:44] Speaker B: He said that on TV, too, which is incredible. Yeah. Lindsay we were somewhere, maybe it was coming back from Florida. I can't remember after I was rear ended listening to Denny's podcast, or maybe we were on the beach, whatever it was, and she's like, Denny's kind of an asshole. I was like, yeah. She's like, I kind of like that he's an asshole. And her exact words were, he's an asshole. But he can back it up. [00:24:06] Speaker A: That's a good point. I mean, he's been backing it up. Here he is advancing to the next round with a win. Coming in there with five extra playoff points in the next round of the playoffs. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah, man, I do love him embracing the villain thing. Like he is hardcore embracing it, which I can totally get into that. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Oh, me too. No reason to go in there and say all the crap you're going to say and talk all the smack you're going to talk and not go out there and win races and back it up. And he doesn't. He just did it again yesterday. He's not winning. He's in second. If he's not in second, he's in third. I mean, he's doing great this year, but he ran the most last pull on Rick Allen him right now. [00:24:44] Speaker B: But Rick Allen was stroking the eleven car during the race. Man, Rick Allen, he is very talented at his job, but he starts stroking them sometimes. [00:24:54] Speaker A: He does. [00:24:54] Speaker B: And it just gets a little weird. He gets a stroking a little too much. [00:25:00] Speaker A: It's part of his job. [00:25:02] Speaker B: Overdo it sometimes and he gets a little weird. To your point, though, he's ran the most laps of any driver in the top 15 this season. Damn, Denny has that's impressive. You know who is up at the front with best average finish of the year? Did you know? [00:25:23] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:25:24] Speaker B: It's true. X Hamlin. And Chris Busher, they all have a 12.4. Damn, that is awesome. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Old 17 car. Just show what he's awesome. You know how he's doing that? He's finishing the damn race in the. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Top five every week. [00:25:37] Speaker A: And if he's not in the top five, at least he didn't wreck or he's in 10th. Yeah, he's still in the race by the end of it. That's what gets you those average finishes. Average finishes. Part of it is success on the racetrack and part of it is just being at the end of the race. [00:25:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Congrats to Denny. But, man, it's still so cool to see RFK running top ten the whole race. Both cars steadily in the top ten the whole race. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. They have found everything that they need other than a tiny little smidge of raw speed is left to go. But other than that, they have the whole pack. [00:26:11] Speaker B: They are great drivers, 100% assistant drivers. [00:26:14] Speaker A: They finish around each other, they're finishing up front. They have great speed at Alt. I think that's one thing that helps them out is you don't matter what type of racetrack they're going to, they have good speed there where it seems like a lot of teams will have really good types of tracks. RFK is definitely going to be in the top ten of any type of track at all. If they're fighting for the win, that's another thing. But running up front in the top ten constantly, that's how you advance to these playoffs. And that's exactly what they're doing. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Wasn't it cool to kind of see how RFK did it, too? How it was kind of like plate tracks? Like plate tracks and short tracks and then road courses. You kind of see those come along with Busher getting all those top tens in a row and then mile and a half, you saw it steadily come up. Like they knew what tracks they could capitalize on and they did it. Yeah, and they did it. And they talk about circling those tracks now. It's like, fuck. Every track is probably circling their calendar. [00:27:05] Speaker A: We are fighting for top fives now. The goal is to get a top five. Top tens are acceptable. Top fives are the goal. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's so cool from a team that probably originally this year, like, top 15 was the goal. But, man, they are the number one fort team out there. SHR. We talk about it every week. They just ran like piss poor dog shit. [00:27:24] Speaker A: They did. [00:27:25] Speaker B: And then Pinsky ran like piss poor dog shit. Had like, a 34th, a 32nd and a 22nd. [00:27:33] Speaker A: Or struggling. [00:27:34] Speaker B: What is going on? [00:27:34] Speaker A: I can't wait to see RFK on a year when Ford's not struggling. Maybe every week Ford comes out and they have something fixed and they're doing a little bit better. Imagine how good RFK is going to run because they've been out running penske and SHR every single week. [00:27:47] Speaker B: Every week, man. [00:27:47] Speaker A: And you know the other Ford that's doing a phenomenal job. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Michael McDowell. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Michael McDowell coming out there and having. [00:27:54] Speaker A: One of the best races he's ever career. [00:27:56] Speaker B: Yes. Best average running spot for him ever on oval. It was like a top five. It was like a four point something like, let's go. Yeah. We've been on the McDowell and RFK train now for a minute. I know you all probably get tired of us talking about it, but that's like three of our favorite people to talk about and cheer for. Honestly, during the races, it's a lot of fun. [00:28:15] Speaker A: It's like cheering for the underdogs, but the underdogs actually have a chance. It's amazing. It's like it really is, right? That you cannot write the sports movie that people would believe of what's going on right now with the amount of huge teams struggling and these small teams figuring it. And I saw somebody tell me once on one of our Instagram posts that we said something about RFK being a small team, and he argued with the point. It's like RFK is not a small team. Well, by God, I think they are. I think I would qualify compared to. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Up and coming team Hendrix. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Compared to a Hendrix. [00:28:49] Speaker B: That guy still stuck in 2005 and six at one point, they had five of the ten Chase drivers, literally 50% of them. And that was where they had the rule where you can only run four cars. RFK Roush used to have he's still stuck in those days. Yeah, they were, but they went down. If you listen to Go, listen to Greg Biffle and some of those guys that were at Roush back in the day, they will tell you they let the engineering and technology they kept wanting to do it the old school way. And they got so far behind and it's taken this long to get back. [00:29:25] Speaker A: To the top for sure. And that's what we mean by small team. It's two car team that's putting their hearts out there, that the owner is driving for them, doing everything he possibly can to try to put this team back on the map. And you can tell that the hard work is paying off, but it's a ground up operation. In a way, it still feels old school because they came out there and they didn't just pour shitloads of money at it and immediately find speed, because they all of a sudden invested a shitload of capital in it. They went out there and every single week improved what they were doing. I don't know if they even have any kind of alliance with anyone. I don't know of any. [00:30:03] Speaker B: No, they don't. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Any other team that's gone out there and succeeded really well at the very beginning. I mean, like 20 311 coming out. They had that alliance with Joe Gibbs. They were getting a lot of outside information. Rfks had to do this on their own, build it up from the ground up, going from finishing 14th and 17th, whatever it was, at Kansas in the spring, just like we said, finishing in. [00:30:21] Speaker B: The advancing it by ten spots the. [00:30:23] Speaker A: Whole way through Kansas. So it just shows you what they're doing over there that is improving day after day after day after day and week after week and race after race. They are going to be fighting for championships, and they still are fighting for a championship right now. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Two cars in there. [00:30:38] Speaker A: Yeah, both 100% hit rate right now with their cars going into the playoffs. [00:30:42] Speaker B: 20, 311 are 100 percenters. It's awesome to see, but we are talking about Bristol, man, I love Bristol, but, dude, the racing at Bristol is just not what it used to be with this new car. My exact quote was, hopping up this Bristol race the way they do, and the way they're hopping it up and hopped it up this weekend is like NASCAR pissing on me, but telling me it's raining. [00:31:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like quote of the week right there. [00:31:12] Speaker B: It's just like, dude, how many races are we going to have to see before no one shows up at a short track? [00:31:21] Speaker A: What are they going to do? They got to make changes. I think it's going to take a lot before you're going to not have people showing up. But, man, there's not going to be an increase in the amount of people in the stands for sure, because of what they're doing right now. You look at the onboard cameras, they go down into these corners and they're fast. I know they're flying. They are going so fast in these corners, and it just seems like they're so smooth on the throttle. The one thing that you're missing a whole lot of is back in the day when those tails would wag as they went through that corner horsepower trying to keep the car underneath them and flutter the throttle and work. The wheel and use a shit ton. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Of brakes and use a shit ton. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Of brakes and have to manhandle these cars through those corners. Nowadays, you're basically just running nose to tail. Everybody's got the same slot car. You can't get up next to anybody, and if you do, it's because they're a lap car that's going way slower than you. But for the most part, the spread of speed is so small that all you're doing is waiting on somebody to go down in there and make some kind of mistake that washes them up the racetrack. And then you just fill in their spot and they find a hole to fill in and they're back in line and whoopty, who. There you are. Yeah, I mean, we have it in the notes here. The whole last 126 laps of this race was just like the road courses have been. Nobody passed each other in the top five. It was the same top five from the green flag to the checkered flag. For that last run for 126 laps. [00:32:49] Speaker B: That's not Bristol. That is not Bristol. [00:32:51] Speaker A: No, that's not Bristol. There's no chance for anybody to make a mistake out there. And these drivers are good damn drivers. So you make it easier on them. They're not going to make a mistake. One of them out of the 40 in that 126 lap run is going to make a mistake. And that's just going to be a complete mental lapse in judgment because these cars have gotten to the point where these guys are so good that these cars are so easy to drive for them. There's just nothing else to do. And I just don't know what else to say about it. [00:33:18] Speaker B: I remember when they were building this new car, matt Weaver, which if y'all or anybody's on Twitter, you know who that said he made a writes, he owns the short track scene. He made a post and he was like he talking about how much he loved, loved, loved road course racing because it was these gnarly, big, heavy oval cars that they had to manhandle around a road course. And he's like, that's what makes NASCAR road course racing awesome. He wrote this whole thing about the car, this car they're building, talking about the next gen is going to be built for road courses. He was like, that's going to take away that badassery of slinging around that big, heavy car. He was like, It's going to happen. That dude hit the nail on the head, man. That same thing can be applied to short tracks as well. What I'm talking about with the manhandling, that big car, all that horsepower, all that stuff, they ruined it. They have ruined it and they got to fix it. And they got to fix it fast. [00:34:23] Speaker A: They do. They got to make some kind of change. And they tried to take a big swing at it earlier in the year. And you hear everybody saying, like, did it make a difference? Yes. Did it matter? No. Just two different sides of the same coin. They just are running the same way. And that's the reason why these road course guys have always done really well at places like Martinsville, because they translate really well. And that's why you're seeing so much struggle between both of those types of racetracks. And that's the thing, is they tried to make a car that you could take to Talladega on one Sunday and you could take it to Bristol on the next Sunday and you could run the exact same car. And that's all fine and dandy, but you do got to make some sort of heavy modification to these cars. So that way there is a difference between the short track and the oval, or the short track and the mile and a half oval setups. Because translating one to the next, you can see how it does extremely well now in the mile and a half and how it really struggles with these other types of racetracks. There's a reason we had different cars back in the day. And this is your reason why? [00:35:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, they say it's a money saving thing, but it's like Denny Hamlin is preaching it on his podcast. It's like money saving thing, but it's coming at the cost of terrible racing. And if you listen to Dell Jr. And Denny Hammond talk about this new car, I mean, they're both saying we need a next gen 2.0 now to fix all these problems. They are not fans. And those are probably the two biggest racing podcasts, I would say. And I just couldn't agree more. Every single short track and road course that passes is just terrible. I voted, I think, for the first time ever. No on give it. I give Jeff Gluck in most of the time, the benefit of the doubt, because I love racing so much. Having a race on TV is better. Not having a race on TV. But we got to start voting no so they can see that these are not good. It was the third lowest Bristol race ever polled out of like, the 18 or 21, however many there are. It was the third lowest. [00:36:34] Speaker A: And I'm just going to guess all those low race results were all in the last, like, four years. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Yes, in the last couple of years. That makes sense. Dude, Bristol and Martinsville, which used to be like, some of the most highlights in the 90% club, as they call it, have had some of the lowest dude, there was a Bristol race with a 17%. Yes. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Gross. [00:36:55] Speaker B: I mean Martinsville. Sorry, Martinsville. Yeah, a Martinsville race. Martinsville race might have been spring race. It was one of them had a 17%. Yes. [00:37:04] Speaker A: Which is unbelievable. [00:37:06] Speaker B: And Jeff Gluck has like 20 plus thousand people vote on his polls every single week. So you're getting a big spread of like, sample size, huge sample size. And he ranks them all this. Everybody knows all that. I don't even got to talk about it, but like, wow, 17% on a short track. [00:37:23] Speaker A: That's what the hell the heart of NASCAR just not pulling through right now. And it's rough to see and it's really rough when there's seven road courses and so many short tracks. All these races, I mean, that's over half the schedule at this point. That is just not performing. [00:37:42] Speaker B: We actually talked about this, me and Caleb did, before anybody had brought it up, which I thought was pretty cool, but I've seen Brad and now Denny Hammond talk about it, but they have wanted to go so heavy on road courses, which, like we talked about a couple years ago was fine. People was loving that because of the way the car was. But if you're going to race this car and leave it the same, you better put mile and a house on the schedule and next year better have a bunch of them. Because if you're going to do this, why not capitalize on it right now? If this is what we got, if this is the car we have, why not capitalize on it right now? And that's what they're saying too. [00:38:17] Speaker A: And that's what I was telling you on the stage the other day, is the way that the NASCAR schedule changes nowadays, it's a great opportunity to just keep going with it. Change the schedule again. Let's get back more mile and a half. Thank God we got rid of Bristol dirt. I love that. But if we're going to go to Bristol twice this year, then we need to then we need to fix something in the offseason. [00:38:38] Speaker B: There ain't going to be many people in those stands. I'm putting it out to the public right now. I do not think spring Bristol. There will many people there. [00:38:45] Speaker A: But I want you to go because it's awesome. And it was the first race. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Bristol is awesome. [00:38:49] Speaker A: It is awesome. It doesn't matter how good or bad the racing is, if you go to Bristol, you will have a good time. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:53] Speaker A: It just sucks that the racing product hasn't been living up to that hype. And thank goodness it's not the first short track on the schedule. There's a Martinsville race coming right before it. We need to see a new short track package. And that Martinsville race is going to be a great place for it to just go to the test. Because everybody wants to say Phoenix is a short track. Technically, yes. No race like a short. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Phoenix is awful. Phoenix is awful in the old car. Phoenix is awful in this car. And we run the championship race there and everyone hates on that, too. I don't get it. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Money got to come down to money. It always comes down to money. [00:39:32] Speaker B: I know it's cold as hell, probably in Kansas in November, but man, imagine the freaking championship race that takes place. Like Kansas. [00:39:40] Speaker A: That would be unbelievable. [00:39:42] Speaker B: Or in this car back at Homestead. Yeah. Where they can race their ass off the last couple. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Homestead. I can't wait for homestead. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Homestead has been awesome in this that's I will give this car props on things like that. Like Kyle Larson even said he was like, this is the first time I've had a cup car because of the composite body. He was like where you can run the high line and hit the wall and bounce off the wall like he does in his dirt cars and stuff. And he's like still continue to race. So there are pros to this car. The mile and a half racing, man, is just peak NASCAR right now. It is awesome. [00:40:18] Speaker A: It is. [00:40:19] Speaker B: And what they've done to Atlanta and the last couple of restricted plate races have been awesome. But they're just, like you just said, the heart of NASCAR. Some of the heart of NASCAR. Things are just not awesome right now with this car, and you got drivers that are getting vocal about it on podcasts, on Twitter, dell Jr. Just rips it every single week. It's like something's going to happen. [00:40:43] Speaker A: All these drivers getting podcasts is the greatest thing to happen to NASCAR in years. I agree, because finally we're getting to hear from the mouth of the horse. Just straight up, the guy who's out there handling the cars every week, who knows way more than we do about what the heck's going on out there, can give us an idea of what can we do to improve this and put the fans sick the fans on NASCAR and make them say, hey, he's got a great idea here. Why aren't we listening to him? Why are the suits and ties making the decisions that the fire suit should be making? [00:41:16] Speaker B: What a great quote. That's a quote. [00:41:18] Speaker A: I'm going to write that on my that's probably gonna be the tattoo I get. [00:41:20] Speaker B: That is awesome. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Why are the suits and ties making the decisions the fire suit should be? [00:41:24] Speaker B: That is top tier NASCAR quote right there. [00:41:27] Speaker A: I just wish that was the case. But nowadays, these podcasts have been coming out with I mean, Dale Jr. Has already been on it, but he's not riding in that cup car, so you can get great information from him. But once Denny started doing his podcast, you got Blaney and LaJoy and all these other guys that are going out there, the door bumper clear guys, and. [00:41:47] Speaker B: Brad Kazzlowski being super vocal on social media. He doesn't have a podcast, but he's very vocal on social media. [00:41:52] Speaker A: All these guys are taking advantage of their platforms, finally, and using their personalities to come out here and say, hey, we're not fans of this either. We're ready for a change, too. NASCAR, catch the fuck up. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Come on. And NASCAR has to understand, if the guys that are doing it aren't fans, how are you going to persuade fan fans to show up and be there no doubt. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Nobody wants to be jealous of the guy that hates his life. If he's out there miserable on the racetrack, then why does anybody care either? You can't sell that. [00:42:22] Speaker B: You can't sell these cars at these certain racetracks that are just literally if you're telling me for 126 laps the top five doesn't change, why the fuck why would I watch that? [00:42:30] Speaker A: Why'd we even run the last 126. Yeah, let's just call it a race. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Give Denny his shorter racetracks that he wants or races that he wants. That's the one thing I don't agree with him on. But that's fine. [00:42:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Now I guess we can go ahead and get off that soapbox. I needed to say all that. So did Caleb. He needed to say all that, too. I wanted to hit on a couple high notes there. We talked about McDowell best average finish running position on his career at oval. Incredible. We love that and also hit on Corey LeJoy with a career high lap sled. The sponsor for that car is super cool. The NEG never ever give up that's. That's a super cool thing. Look into that. They give like little bags and baskets of toys and stuff to little kids. [00:43:17] Speaker A: Great charity organization. [00:43:22] Speaker B: Dude Spire making big moves. Dude Spire's making big moves. We're going to see who is it? [00:43:29] Speaker A: Zane Smith going there next year. [00:43:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you're going to see LaJoy, host of Our and Smith running there full time next year going to be great. [00:43:37] Speaker A: I'm excited. [00:43:37] Speaker B: I'm calling host of Our right now on this podcast. It hasn't been announced, but that's where hey, you're calling him, that's where he's going. [00:43:42] Speaker A: Dang it's a big, bold state. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Host of Our is going to the 77 and they are getting that Track House money now. And Track House has the money. And I love the business model. I love everything that they're doing over there. I've said it before, working at Track House in 2023 has to be comparable to working at Dei back in the late 90s. That's where everybody wants to be, I. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Feel like, oh, yeah, I love that. And it's just fun to see people before they're even anything. Driver and team both believing in each other so well that they're willing to make these long term commitments to each other. Did Corey make the playoffs? No. Were they a top 15 team? No. Does he still believe the hell out of them? Hell yeah. Did they believe like hell in him? [00:44:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:28] Speaker A: And that's a great relationship to see back and forth. That's how you build something. And it's not just this whole merry go round of, hey, I have got a great team. If you can't get me into the top eight cars at the end of the playoffs, then you're out and I'm going to put somebody else in. No. There is no patience for development anymore. And that's true. [00:44:49] Speaker B: We literally just talked about that the other day about think of a guy comes from Bush and then he goes to cup and then he's just like a badass Bush series driver. Well, you take Noah Graxon, for example. He comes in, noah Graxon wins ten races last year, fighting for the championship, and then he comes to cup and sucks it's like, just because the cup is the best of the best, that does not mean Noah Graxon is just complete shitty dog shit racer. That is not what that means. There are guys that made great livings and careers out of racing in the Bush series. Like, it's okay to race in the Bush series and get your bearings and learn how to be a race car driver, a NASCAR driver. [00:45:30] Speaker A: I mean, a great example of that right now is Riley Herbst. He's in xfinity. He's not one of the best Xfinity drivers. He's learning. He's doing better than he was. I still think he's got a long way to go. But if you took him out of that car and put him into a cup car, what do you expect him to do? If he's running mid in Xfinity, he's not going to go up there and run great. So what is he doing? He's sticking around. All of his buddies that he grew up racing with are moving on into the cup series. They're moving up and they're moving over, and he's sticking around. He's staying where he's at because he knows that this is the best opportunity I have right now, and I could move up and absolutely ruin my career. [00:46:02] Speaker B: Because you're right, a lot of guys. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Get up into the cup series, don't run great, and that is now a blemish on their career for the rest of their lives. That they went up there and they kind of struggled a little bit racing against the best of the best in mid tier equipment, and that loses a whole bunch of chance and opportunity for them going forward. [00:46:20] Speaker B: I don't know about you, but I'd rather be in victory Lane in a bush car than 34th in a cup car. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Oh, hell yeah, man. Trophies look good no matter what series. [00:46:28] Speaker B: You are damn right. Winning cures all problems. I don't give a damn if you're in a truck or you're in bush or obviously cup is great, but, man. [00:46:38] Speaker A: I just wish that is a lost. [00:46:40] Speaker B: Cause between the bush and the truck series. That used to be a thing. Even up until the mid 2000s, it was really a thing where guys did that. Now it's like, you got a couple of years go to cup. If you suck, it's like, well, we'll see you later, bud. Have a good time working at Walmart. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Lots of the races on the couch. [00:46:58] Speaker B: It's like, Jesus Christ. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it is crazy. [00:47:01] Speaker B: But all that said, 24 or 22. [00:47:05] Speaker A: And the four talk about the playoffs. Yeah, absolutely. We can talk about our predictions that we made a couple of weeks back. [00:47:12] Speaker B: We did not see this one coming. [00:47:16] Speaker A: We hit 50%, which was expected, because I think everybody and their mother thought the 34 and the 47 were doing great for what they were doing, and it's awesome, and I love to see their success, but getting out of that round to 16 was always going to be tough for them with the tracks that they were racing. Michael McDowell, a little bit self inflicted a couple of times, making some mistakes, getting into wrecks that he didn't really need to be a part of, and then running like hell at Bristol. I mean, just giving her all sorts of giving her all she's got, that was a career race for him. [00:47:47] Speaker B: It was. [00:47:49] Speaker A: He still ends up, what was it, like eleven points out or something? Eleven or 19 points out of the out of the playoffs. That's just the hard part about these playoffs formats. You got three races, it's a three race season, and he unfortunately made a couple of mistakes that ended up costing him a chance at that Bristol run, putting him into the round of twelve. But I think with the way that he's running right now, watch out for Michael McDowell to earn his way into the playoffs again. I could totally see him coming back next year, winning another race, ending up in the playoffs, and making it to the top twelve with the performance increase that they had in one year to this year. [00:48:22] Speaker B: And this goes back to what you just said about these teams and drivers, like, making long term commitments, him as well. They just signed him to a long extension. He said normally he has to wait until the end of the year to know what he's been doing his whole career. He's had one year deals. How can you perform when you're that nervous about what's going on? So now having a couple of year deal, dude, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a career year better than this year. Next year. Yeah. [00:48:46] Speaker A: He's no longer fighting for his career. He is fighting for a playoff spot that's better than 16th. His goal next year is to be at minimum, twelveTH. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Yes, I agree with you. [00:48:59] Speaker A: And then Stenhouse, I mean, that cut story kind of wrote itself. Great drive, but there's just no ran. [00:49:04] Speaker B: 10Th at Bristol, right? Ran 10th, 11th yesterday or Saturday, ended. [00:49:10] Speaker A: Up doing another great job. I mean, that playoff momentum is a real thing, and it proves by how well everybody runs once they get in it, no matter what kind of car they're driving. He ended up in 10th. [00:49:19] Speaker B: 10Th? Yeah. On the lead lap. Finished on the lead lap. [00:49:22] Speaker A: Like stuff Harvick didn't do. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Shoe. Dude, what is that was Rodney Childers and SHR were talking about they've never had a car run that bad at Bristol before, and I don't know what happened. Rodney Childers brought the same car, same setup. He posted this on Twitter. We love Rodney Childers Twitter because he's so transparent. Same setup, same car, same everything that they almost won there with last year. [00:49:45] Speaker A: And then just didn't. [00:49:46] Speaker B: He said, I have never been so confused. I don't know why. I don't understand how I don't know what happened, man. [00:49:52] Speaker A: I don't know either. It's sad to see the four drop. [00:49:55] Speaker B: Out five laps down. We said last week, which, if he would have done this, that he would be in, but we were like, he'll run top ten. He'll run average top ten on Saturday night. Yeah. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Just mind blowing. There not even reconflicted. There was nothing to do with just ran terrible. And that's just tough for Harvick. For Harvick's retirement year to finish in the playoffs in 14th position because of him. [00:50:20] Speaker B: Did you see his interview? [00:50:20] Speaker A: No. [00:50:21] Speaker B: He's like, I'm just ready to be done. I'm ready for Phoenix. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Dang. [00:50:24] Speaker B: It was sad. [00:50:25] Speaker A: That is sad. [00:50:26] Speaker B: He said, I. Am so frustrated. I'm just ready to be done and be at Phoenix. [00:50:30] Speaker A: I feel like this year was just not the year he saw coming. [00:50:33] Speaker B: It was not. [00:50:34] Speaker A: I think every week he's having a hard time accepting the fact that this is how he's going to have to go out. [00:50:38] Speaker B: What do you think Josh Berry thinks about this? [00:50:40] Speaker A: I think Josh Berry is a little nervous that he signed this huge deal. [00:50:43] Speaker B: I think he is very nervous. Little fella. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Even the best SHR car, the only one in the playoffs, ended up in 14th place. That's the 14th best car on the track right now is the four car. And that's what he just signed. [00:50:55] Speaker B: A huge harvick finished 14th. [00:50:57] Speaker A: Well, I mean in the playoffs. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Oh, 14th playoffs. Yeah. [00:51:00] Speaker A: I just mean he was an average over the course of the year. He is the 14th best car. If you just look at it simply. [00:51:06] Speaker B: By was one of the greatest of all times in the seat right now. I would just be nervous if I was Josh Berry. Yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker A: And even in the driver's championship points, never mind those get inflated on the NASCAR app. NASCAR, I would love it if you all would just give me drivers points and playoff points separately. It would be awesome so I could see exactly where people are running regardless of playoffs. [00:51:26] Speaker B: The NASCAR app, we talked about it before. It is so confusing to know what is going on in those fucking Coca Cola ads. Pop up every 2 seconds. It's like, Jesus Christ, Coca Cola. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Anyway. And then the 22 gets knocked out due to a wreck. Corey LaJoy spinning off the front stretch and ended up rear ended unto him. [00:51:45] Speaker B: He didn't have a great year this year. He had what, one win and it was an ad. Atlanta is the race. [00:51:49] Speaker A: I went to Penske, dude, penske is struggling. When you have a Joe Logano that can only win one race in a year, that's not Joe Logano's fault. That's a penske problem. [00:51:56] Speaker B: Yeah, Joe Logano is like he's an elite any given Sunday kind of driver. But he wasn't this year. And that was OD. Dude, we talked about last week. They ran like dog shit last week. [00:52:07] Speaker A: They did. [00:52:08] Speaker B: Great call at the end of the race to get a top five. But they ran like dog shit. [00:52:11] Speaker A: They did. And that's the thing is you can put Joey Logano into a terrible car and he will do what Harvick does. Go out there and find a way to milk a top five or a top ten out of it at least. Where I mean, you got Cindric back there. He's running ass into the pack every week. [00:52:28] Speaker B: Cindric is one of those guys talking about grading Xfinity, coming to cup. Dude, he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing. [00:52:34] Speaker A: And I feel like a lot of it has to do with the fact that the cars are slow. You get a real idea of how good the car is. Whenever you put a rookie in it or a young driver that's in their first couple years see where they run. And that kind of tells you where the team's at. Look where Cindric's running? I mean, it's part of it. Cindric. Yeah, absolutely. It's an inexperienced driver trying to come up as trying to claw his way up. But that two car just runs terrible every week. It's the lowest Pencey car every week. [00:52:59] Speaker B: You know, Brad Kazlowski loves that. Yeah. You know, he just loves that. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Leaving the two and going to the six and just building that team up. [00:53:05] Speaker B: It'S just outrunning them every single week. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Makes me wonder how much Brad Kazlowski was really doing for that team. [00:53:11] Speaker B: Yeah, man, he's a smart man. He's a very smart man. He is. [00:53:14] Speaker A: He made a great career move doing what he did. And it just shows with the fact that he's out running Penske and placing above him. It's wild. [00:53:22] Speaker B: It is wild. [00:53:23] Speaker A: But both of those cars getting out and Joey ligando getting missing it by four points. When he gets rear ended by that and that whole left rear tire just explodes. The whole suspension package on that thing. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Just it was flopping like a fish out of water. [00:53:36] Speaker A: It blew up and ends up missing the playoffs, missing advancing. Last year's champion is no longer going to have a factor to play into the season. It's just over looking at it, too. I mean, we got Kazlowski, Bush, Larson and Truex. Those are the only drivers left that have championships under them in the playoffs right now. So only four out of the remaining twelve have won a championship previously. Pretty wild stat. We got a lot of young guys right now championship lists that have a chance to win their first one this year. [00:54:12] Speaker B: I have a question. This is kind of off topic, but I noticed that Kezelowski is back down at the bottom. Okay. I feel like I understand most every single thing there is to know about NASCAR except this one thing. Why and how do the points reset each round? What is the purpose of that and why do they do it? Why do they not just like, let them roll from what they just were? Knock the final four out and keep them going? I thought that's how it was. [00:54:35] Speaker A: No, because the way I did not know that till this that's what I'm saying with the driver's points, that's so frustrating to me is they add that 1000 points onto your total or whatever it takes to get you to the next thousand, plus the amount of playoff points you have. They just award those to you at the end of every round. So right now, you see like, Ty Gibbs has 648 points. He's the first car that was outside the playoffs when it started. So they added 1000 points or 2000 points to Michael McDowell's total to where he ended up with 2059. But since they got eliminated with Joey Logano being the best example, he's sitting. [00:55:11] Speaker B: Here, they reset him at 3000. [00:55:13] Speaker A: They reset him at 3000 for Bubba, who has no playoff points, and the next person above him is Blaney. They gave him enough points to get to 3008 because he has eight playoff points. So that's what they're doing is just basically adding 1000 points to your total. So that way nobody below you that already got eliminated could outrun you and get more points than you by the end of the season. [00:55:33] Speaker B: It's just wild to me. [00:55:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just weird. It's like you get 1000 points for making it through every round until I. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Ever knew this till this season, I'm not kidding you. I don't think I knew this till this year. [00:55:43] Speaker A: I think it's just so that way when they set up the playoff standings in the app and on the computers and everything, it's just easy for the computer to read, okay, that's the 2000 is more than 1000. So that guy's placed above them, there's no possible way that that driver below you is going to get 1000 points to get above you. And it also resets it to a nice even number that shows you playoff points. With Bubba having 3000. Blaney has eight playoff points, so he's 3008 and all the way up to Willie, B and True X back in the top two seeds with 3036 with their 36 playoff points. So it's basically that 3000 and eliminate it everybody's at 36 or lower. [00:56:18] Speaker B: So with Blaney or not Blaney, Hamlin and Larson, because they won races in this round was Blaney, Larson and who else? Hamlin, larson. [00:56:28] Speaker A: Larson. And good luck. I can't remember. Reddick. [00:56:33] Speaker B: Reddick did those points, those five playoff points as they carry over to this next round. Yeah, okay, sorry about that, y'all, I just needed to clear up some of my NASCAR knowledge. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Hell yeah. Getting a little better with it every day. Technology is tough, especially when NASCAR is running it. But anyway, so when the playoffs started, we made predictions. We each had picked the 34 and the 47 to get out, so we each hit it 50%. Both of us called Bubba to be out in this round. And then I had picked the 20 and you had picked the one to get eliminated. [00:57:11] Speaker B: And if the one wouldn't have had those finagled those finishes at Darlington in Kansas, then I would have been right? [00:57:17] Speaker A: You would have been. And honestly, I was impressed with Christopher Bell's performance at Bristol because a lot of times he gets the pole and then just sucks hind tit way back there in like 14th did surprise me. Still didn't wins both stages, so that helped him out a ton. That gave him tons of points to advance through. I mean, that's 22 points right there added onto his total before the race. [00:57:38] Speaker B: He came in third yeah. [00:57:40] Speaker A: And what, three races of races? [00:57:41] Speaker B: Three points away from running a perfect race. Yeah, exactly. [00:57:44] Speaker A: So he came out and just had a stunner at Bristol, which I didn't see necessarily coming. But playoff Christopher Bell is just weird. [00:57:52] Speaker B: And I don't get it. [00:57:54] Speaker A: If he doesn't make the playoffs, that dude is screwed. He goes out there and runs like this in the last twelve races of the year and runs like Ass. The first, like 25. I say runs like Ass runs kind of just mid the rest of the races. If it wasn't for the playoffs, I don't know if Christopher Bell would continue to be relevant. But hell, he knows what to do when he gets in those moments. [00:58:16] Speaker B: He does. [00:58:16] Speaker A: So I'll give him credit. He's out there outrunning my expectations, which I know he cares a lot about that he does. But I do. [00:58:24] Speaker B: He wakes up in the morning to. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Please Caleb Conrady, as should everyone. My life would be so much need. [00:58:31] Speaker B: Before I can make any good predictions, I need to take a look. I will do this next week. For the Next week's podcast, I need to look at the points. I need a good look at the points to figure out what I think for next week. [00:58:46] Speaker A: It's a weird round. You got Texas, which has been a terrible mile and a half, that maybe somehow this next gen mile and a half package will just blow our minds. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Hadn't they been blowing tires still, though, at Texas? [00:58:57] Speaker C: Real bad? [00:58:58] Speaker A: Dude, Kansas and Texas a great place to blow tires. [00:59:01] Speaker B: I got a feeling that's going to be just kind of the same. [00:59:03] Speaker A: I hate that so much. I don't mind tire wear and I don't mind tires courting, and I don't mind tires wearing down, but when tires just spontaneously explode in the middle of a run, unpredictably that's hogwash to me. I don't understand that. That's just dumb. Then we got Talladega and then we got the roval. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Two big wild cards in there. [00:59:24] Speaker A: This is a tough round to predict. Honestly, if you told me any set of four drivers you assumed would not make it into the next round, I guarantee you, you could come up with an argument good enough for me to believe you. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Yeah, this is a tough wild round here. [00:59:40] Speaker A: If I was going to just go out on a limb and make some kind of predictions, I'm going to say the biggest issue that some of these drivers are going to have is that they're really good at talladega. Blaney being one of them. [00:59:51] Speaker B: He's won at the roval before, but being the other. [00:59:54] Speaker A: Yeah, Bubba being the other. That's a good point. I know Blaney's won the Roval before, but Fluke went well. He was still running in third, so he was running good that day, so it wasn't like he was running terrible. But he hasn't run that well at the Roval since then. And road courses in general with this next gen car, it's hard. So unless you are up front, track position is going to matter like hell. So whoever can qualify best at the road course is going to be the one that does the best there, in my opinion. But Blaney, Buba, those are two guys that are really good at Talladega. The problem is Talladega is a freaking meat grinder wild card. You've got to be at the end of the race to make it. And a lot of times being at the end of that race has nothing to do with you. Just look at Daytona with Blaney and getting spun out by Ty Gibbs and nearly freaking dying. He was going for the lead and he got wrecked by someone else's mistake. If that shows you everything that you need to know about Talladega, being good there matters, but being good there is not a guaranteed I'm going to make it to the next round of the playoffs kind of. [01:00:57] Speaker B: If, if something like that happens to a Blaney or a Bubba, they have a big wreck at Talladega or anywhere but like a race like True X and Chastain have been having something like that. If they go out there and have that, man, then those are where they don't have those bonus points like Byron and Truex did to fall back on. So if they have a big wreck or something, that's really going to put them in a huge hole. And I wanted to throw this out there, have this written down, it's kind of out of nowhere, but talking about True X, four races in a row, he's finished 18th or worst for the first time since 2014. That's almost ten years ago. [01:01:36] Speaker A: And what car was he in in 2014? Was that back in his that might. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Have been the 70, right? When he went to the 78, when. [01:01:42] Speaker A: It was terrible, it was still not good. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Yeah, he had one or two seasons in the 70. Eigth. That were not great. [01:01:49] Speaker A: Man, that's a rough last four races. And for it to happen in the playoffs, man, he better be thanking his lucky stars for those 36 points he walked in with because if it wasn't. [01:01:59] Speaker B: For that, he just better thank God for the summertime. They kicked ass in the summer and that's what they literally raked up. All those points in the summertime. Good for them. [01:02:08] Speaker A: Good for them. [01:02:09] Speaker B: But they ain't got it right now. They ain't got it right now. Something is a little miss. Something is off. And if I'm going off just straight oval tracks, he has not been running good and I don't know if I see him running good at Texas. [01:02:21] Speaker A: Absolutely not. And I mean, you've got some real the point spread is narrowing fast. The more these playoff drivers run up front and win races and win stages, that cushion you had with 36 points, which already wasn't much, is just going to get whittled away and whittled away as other people earn those stage points, they've got to come out here and run more damn consistently. [01:02:44] Speaker B: So Ross is still under. I don't see Ross making this. [01:02:49] Speaker A: I don't either. [01:02:50] Speaker B: I don't see Ross making this. [01:02:52] Speaker A: I hate to be this way, but I don't know if I see my own guy making it out of here in Blaney. I don't know if I do. [01:02:58] Speaker B: He hasn't been running good enough. [01:02:59] Speaker A: I think he could obviously with a talladega win. That'd be awesome. But, man, he's going to need to get some sage points along the way. And Texas is just it's a tracks that they used to run well at, but Pinsky is struggling at right now. [01:03:11] Speaker B: You know who I see out of. [01:03:12] Speaker A: This top eight, though? [01:03:13] Speaker B: That could fall out? Kyle Bush. Kyle Bush, christopher Bell. And then I don't see Blaney doing anything crazy. I see this man right here who runs 10th or better every week, being. [01:03:24] Speaker A: Up there, being Brad Kezlowski. [01:03:25] Speaker B: Being Brad Kezelowski. And then Bubba and Blaney are still I'll put Asterisks beside them because they could go out and win talladega, but so could Brad Kezelowski and so could fucking BJ. McLeod. They are just statistically really good there. But Bush hasn't been running great. He had a great season, but they're just kind of running like not top eight. They're not running top eight to me. And Christopher Bell, not consistently is not consistent either. So out of your top eight guys that I see falling out would be the eight and the 20. But the 20, 419. Eleven, 517, 45, even though the 45 is eigth, I see him making it out of this. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just going to be who stays hot. Yeah, really, it's who stays hot. [01:04:12] Speaker B: He has a chance to run balls to the walls at the roval. Yeah. So I could totally see Reddick going out and ballsing it up at the roval and just kicking absolute ass. [01:04:21] Speaker A: I can definitely agree with you on Kyle Bush, too. They started the year out so strong and they have lost so much. Whatever RFK found it came from, RCR is basically where it is. [01:04:31] Speaker B: That's funny. [01:04:32] Speaker A: That's exactly what happened. And so I could definitely agree with you and Kyle Bush at plate tracks. Not the greatest. [01:04:38] Speaker B: He won one, though, this year. [01:04:40] Speaker A: He won one this year, and that was a surprise win. But in general, he's just not a fan of them. And I think that translates into his performance a lot. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:49] Speaker A: Either way, this is going to be a really tough one. I can't really say. I can hard call it either. But if I was going to ballpark it, I would say the four guys that I think are most likely to miss the playoffs, miss the playoff cut by the end of these three. Blaney buba bell bush. [01:05:04] Speaker B: That's exactly my four. That is my exact four. [01:05:08] Speaker A: I have to agree with you. Chastain would once again be my other bubble driver. That I'm not sure. Maybe Kyle Bush can come out here and stun him. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Wait, I just said I think Castain falls out. [01:05:18] Speaker A: You did? [01:05:19] Speaker B: Okay, so maybe one of those. [01:05:21] Speaker A: That's a hard one. But Chastain, I could see them just somehow coming out and running finish consistently enough to do it. Damn, it's tough. This is NASCAR stuff, man. Even the crew chiefs will say that NASCAR is hard. So you can try to predict it all you want, but that's going to be my four that I think I'm most worried about. [01:05:37] Speaker B: Bubba, I'm with you. With the Asterisk being the number one. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Bush and Bill, that'll be my five. [01:05:42] Speaker B: One of those five. Four of those five will be out, man. [01:05:45] Speaker A: I'm just going to say four drivers won't advance. [01:05:48] Speaker B: That's exactly right. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Four drivers will not advance to the next round. And, man, I just know it's going to be one of the twelve that's left. [01:05:54] Speaker B: That is good way to put it. [01:05:56] Speaker A: But then again, like we said last week, martin Truex falling all the way that he did, he was almost out in the first round, being the favorite going into it. So this is it's wild. And this is a wild card round for sure. I agree with you. It's Aladega and the Roval, Texas, is the only normal one. And even then, we don't even know. [01:06:14] Speaker B: What kind of race that normal. But anyways, we've been at it now for over an hour. So we do wanted to talk about trading paint, that beautiful 31 car Mountain Dew car for Justin Haley. First time in like, quite a few years that Mountain Dew had sponsored a car. I've been a full time sponsor. I really enjoyed that. That was a good looking car. [01:06:36] Speaker A: It was. You know, one thing I noticed as I was watching the clips from Bristol that I was able to see is this next gen car looks great under the lights. You put 40 of them right on top of each other like that. And I don't know what's going on with the paint schemes lately with all these different cars, but it just seems like people are putting so much more effort into their paint schemes nowadays. They're really popping. There's the addition of the chrome. They can do the matte, they can do this gloss finish, they can do all this different stuff. And you go out there and you watch them and I don't know if it's just the bigger, broader sides on this car or the symmetry of the car. I just think it looks better under the lights than any recent, previous NASCAR generation has looked. And I love that. [01:07:19] Speaker B: I will say not necessarily not under the lights or paint job wise or numbers wise, but the first time I saw the next gen car in person when I went to a racing it to see it, I think it's my favorite look of a car ever. It's low and wide like a fucking late model. Yeah. And I love the way the car is molded and looks. [01:07:38] Speaker A: And I love it. It really adds to the paint schemes that they're throwing on there. And just like you said, with the 31, they're able to make the whole car look cohesive. They have so much more room on the body panels to make that kind of stuff happen. Used to what they're doing now would look too busy because they're having to do it in such a small space nowadays. It's just got that beefier. [01:07:58] Speaker B: So what you're saying is you like the numbers move forward. [01:08:01] Speaker A: God dang. [01:08:03] Speaker B: That gives them more space. Is that what you're saying? No, it's okay. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Talking about the general size of the body panels itself. I'm not talking about the placement of anything in particular. I'm talking about just the way size of the car. Yeah, the car itself lends to. That where the numbers are to me. I've been this way since the beginning of that debate. I don't care. Put a number on the damn car. Put it wherever the hell you want. Put it on the fucking underneath side of it. If you're expecting to flip, then we'll see it whenever you're going through the air. [01:08:30] Speaker B: Ryan Priest should have done that. [01:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah, he should have. [01:08:32] Speaker B: Damn. [01:08:33] Speaker A: But I don't care where the numbers are at. Just make sure I can read it. That's all that I care about. [01:08:38] Speaker B: There you have it, folks. [01:08:39] Speaker A: You can hate me on Twitter. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Caleb Conrad does not give a fuck where your numbers are at on your car. [01:08:44] Speaker A: Absolutely not. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Put it on the fucking windshield. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Imagine that. That'd be incredible. Well, I reckon we're pretty good. [01:08:55] Speaker B: That was pretty fun. You all let us know how you think about our first mobile podcast here in a hotel room. Yeah, we might do something else Wednesday. You never know. [01:09:03] Speaker A: The 310 sessions. [01:09:05] Speaker B: The 310 sessions. [01:09:06] Speaker A: That's awesome. It's great. But anyway, we're about to go find our way to a tatoo shop and go get inked up. Wish us some luck. If you come up with any tattoo designs, you're going to be too late to tell us about them, but we'd love to hear them, I guess. See you all next week. We'll be back home again after. [01:09:25] Speaker B: We might do another one Wednesday. I'll lead this set up. We might just do something Wednesday for bored. [01:09:29] Speaker A: I think we are going to be bored. [01:09:31] Speaker B: We'll probably do it. We said that last week. We ended up going to that flea market for 8 hours. [01:09:35] Speaker A: I didn't expect to be there for that. [01:09:37] Speaker B: Me neither. And we were. Let's put it out there. Probably going to do a podcast Wednesday. A little betting podcast. We'll get the ODS and numbers out there and yeah, we'll probably see you all on Wednesday. Heck yeah. Why not? Deuces? We love you all. [01:09:50] Speaker A: Y'all have a great night. [01:09:56] Speaker C: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black. It ain't got a big white number three turning left around a track. But you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away. These good? Years can't handle dirt don't need no curves with banks what I like in horses I make up with four by four I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door checkers record my foot hammered on the gas I'm making my way to you, girl earn hard bath, you my hood don't say good ring ain't never.