S2 Episode 16: 'Out of Gas'

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is Ray's rowdy racing with Caleb Conrady and Dawson Edwards. Damn. Oh. Took me by surprise. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Wait, Skip. Three and four. It starts at five. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Damn. Nobody knows what we're talking about. Every time we get on here, it counts down from five. And it went five to two on your screen. And went five to three on my screen. We didn't know what the hell was going on, to be honest. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Four, three, and then started. Yeah, I'm not even sure if we're actually going. [00:00:42] Speaker A: We're recording. [00:00:42] Speaker B: It says recording and it says 99% okay, man. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Dude, I am too hungover. [00:00:48] Speaker B: One, two. Okay. My microphone was stuck there for a second. Can you hear me? [00:00:52] Speaker A: I can hear you. Damn. [00:00:53] Speaker B: The microphone thing was just stuck on the bottom and not reading. [00:00:56] Speaker A: So I have just, you know, I'm just so hungover that I really think it's probably working just fine. And we don't even. We don't even know. And the worst part is my hangovers from Saturday night. What am I doing on Monday morning? Still feeling like this? [00:01:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Caleb tried to kill us this weekend. [00:01:14] Speaker A: I did. I did. I did my best. It didn't work, but damn, I was close. We had our joined bachelor bachelorette party in kentucky this weekend. [00:01:27] Speaker B: Had everybody drive up kentucky in the middle of bum fuck nowhere. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Yep. And I mean, getting to this house was a long, winding road. And I guarantee you there was zero people besides maxwell and Cynthia that were able to drive that road that night. I cannot believe that we survived, period. [00:01:48] Speaker B: You mean when they. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Two days straight up bender. Mmm. [00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Like, geez, we got home yesterday, and you were asleep for almost the entire day that you woke up for the race, and then we're back asleep again. That's what I drive. [00:02:04] Speaker B: I had to drive originally, so I drove 2 hours, then slept for 2 hours, watch the whole race, slept again. [00:02:15] Speaker A: I hope everybody understands that Dawson sleeping while riding down the road with his wife is a very rare occurrence. That would almost never happen. [00:02:24] Speaker B: Me sleeping in the car. In general, as an adult, I feel like it's a very rare occurrence. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Damn, we're getting old, man. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:33] Speaker A: I'm too old to be doing this anymore. Holy crap. It's rough. It's rough. [00:02:38] Speaker B: The best part, you would love you to love this. So we're sitting in the living room, like I said, I was sleeping, and Lindsay was watching something on tv, whatever. And she goes, Dawson, Dawson. And boom, boom, boom, boom. Somebody's knocking on the door. And I'm like. She's like, somebody's at the door. And I'm like, you're kidding. No, I swear to God. And I get up, and I'm like, like, what could possibly be going on right now? And I'm just, like, tired and, like, my heart's beating just because I'm like, I mean, dead asleep when you're just, like, standing straight up kind of thing. [00:03:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I can tell by the face you made. [00:03:10] Speaker B: And I'm looking around, and I look outside, and I was like, it's just Morgan. And it was Lindsey's sister. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. [00:03:20] Speaker B: Lindsey couldn't, like. I mean, our blinds were open, and so I don't know how she didn't see her. When she's at the door, you can't see through the blind. Like, the door through the blinds, obviously. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Oh, my lordy. That's hilarious, man. [00:03:30] Speaker B: She just. They bought some chicken, so she was like, my cage that I can transport chickens in. They were. They borrowed it, so. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Your chicken transport truck? [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They were just returning it, but I was like, she didn't, like, say, like, hey, we're coming over. It was just like, boom, boom, boom. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Hey, we're here. [00:03:52] Speaker B: This is also coming from the lady. One time we first moved into our house, the security dudes knock on the door, and Lindy's sitting there and goes and screams, I wasn't here for not lying. I've just been announced story. And, like, apparently the guys thought it was hilarious and, like, all this stuff. [00:04:12] Speaker A: But, yeah, nothing like a traveling salesman to think something like that is hilarious, especially when they're selling security systems. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah, good. I told him not to come back, and they came back. So I was like, you really should just leave. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, who the fuck are you? Yeah, no, the fuck you don't. [00:04:32] Speaker B: That's a story for another day, that is. [00:04:34] Speaker A: But, yeah, we. We had two days in a row. We got there, all four of us, and her friends. Thursday. Got there on Thursday night, and it's. [00:04:46] Speaker B: About us drinking and having a good time. Thursday night? [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Then we got up on Friday, and we started at, what, 09:00 a.m. drinking mimosas. [00:04:55] Speaker B: I started, like, I started at ten. [00:04:58] Speaker A: And when we say mimosas, we're talking, like, champagne that got rubbed next to an orange, so it just did not. It didn't. It didn't. Let's put it this way. That was just a bad idea. We just didn't know it at the time. [00:05:10] Speaker B: No, we know. How many days have we spent at live oak drinking mimosas in the morning? The best thing in the world, though, is like, this is going to make me sound like a major alcoholic saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway. But, like, waking up in the morning and having a mimosa with, like, it doesn't even technically have to be breakfast food because at live oak, it's like a brunch. You know, get, like, some. Some chicken or some wings, like, whatever. It could be, like, any type of food. It doesn't necessarily have to be, like, breakfast food. Like, you get up and, like, drinking mimosa, and then when you first wake up, like, it's like, one mimosa, and you're already like, oh, all right, here we go. [00:05:49] Speaker A: We pour them. Hell, yeah. [00:05:50] Speaker B: And. And then, uh, Clint. Clint, which is Allison's friends, they're making some eggs and sausage and. And, uh, hash browns and bacon, whatever. That was all great. Yeah. Gravy. So biscuits, we were. It's just like. It's just like a top. It's like, one of my favorite things in the world. It's like that. That buzz, like, yeah, that's, like, where the buzz is the best. If that. I don't know if that makes sense, because, like, after that, you start getting drunk, and then it's like, it's fun. Don't get me wrong, but, like, the buzz when you're, like, eating a brunch with a mimosa is up there on my, like, list of favorite buzzes, if that makes sense. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it makes sense, man. It makes sense that just, uh, then we, uh, we went to dinner. We had, I think there was, like, five buckets of beer on our table alone. And that doesn't count the other two tables worth of people we had. Cause there was a solid, like, 25 people that came. [00:06:47] Speaker B: I don't think the other table had a bucket of beer on their table. And me and Mark, probably. [00:06:52] Speaker A: All right, man. It took. It took everything about 3 hours longer than it should have at that restaurant. Granted, I don't think small town Eddyville, Kentucky, was ready for a party of 25. I think they're still not. [00:07:03] Speaker B: My favorite thing about that is. Is everybody's like, we're all complaining a little bit, like, whatever. And we're all. And they're like, well, look, y'all have a group of 25. I was like, we're the only 25 motherfuckers in this place. I don't care if it's a group. Every. We had three tables worth of people, every single table. Other than there were some dudes in the back who were just drinking. They were every single table was open. And, like, it was. It was. It was just one of those places where, like, you order shrimp and it straight up the frozen shrimp from Kroger that they put some hot sauce on and heated up, and it's like, charge you 25, $35 for it. It's like, man, I'm getting robbed here. But this is my only option. So I got. [00:07:45] Speaker A: We had a good damn time, and. [00:07:47] Speaker B: That'S all that matters. I snuck a beer outside of the restaurant, my pocket, and gave it to you for a present. Cougars lot. When we got out there, I thought that was pretty solid. [00:07:55] Speaker A: That was pretty solid. I. The best part about it is to be here in the pants. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Beer in the pants. Sit out the door, water in the. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Streets, beer in the pants. Oh, man. But the funniest part is, I remember you doing that now. But at the moment, I didn't even question it. I was just like, hey, free beer. All right, cool. But I never even thought, like, where the hell did that man get that beer from? [00:08:22] Speaker B: Well, that we said something to the guy about, like, taking it out of there or something. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:28] Speaker B: He was like, something along the lines was like, I'm not looking. He didn't say that, but it was something a little more clever than that. But that's what he meant by it. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:37] Speaker B: And we had a few buckets of beer, but, like, we. Yeah, the whole. The whole situation was, like, took hours to complete. And then the dude was so bad at, like, getting us our drinks and stuff. We started. We had to go to the bar to buy drinks. We couldn't even, like, order them from our dude. We had to go to the bar, and then he didn't know how to split our ticket. So we had, like, venmo, you know, just great all the way around. [00:09:00] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Small. It's a small town local diner that had no business having a party of 30 walk through the door. But there we were. But, uh, either way, then we, uh. Then Saturday, we. I had the truck race on for a little bit there. Never quite wait. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Let's tell him my favorite part of the night that I just remembered about the restaurant. [00:09:17] Speaker A: What's that? [00:09:17] Speaker B: The best part of this is the guy walks up, and we were all joking around. Our waiter was probably taking, like, key bumps in the bathroom. There was also a waiter that had his pants so low, you could see his complete whole ass crack. Or he might not have been waiters, like, in the kitchen. That was another top tier moment that mark was pointing out to us. My favorite thing about it, though, he goes, okay, I'm going to start out with what we. I'm going to tell you what we don't have, not what we have, more of what we don't have than what we have. So our whole table is wanting to get, like, a burger or some seafood or the fish platter, catfish, whatever. We just starts naming off site, we don't have burgers, we don't have catfish, we don't have this, we don't have that. And everyone's like, okay, we waited 3 hours to order, and now everything we wanted to order is completely gone. And he did that to every table, went to the first table, second table, third table, and, like, had the name off. And the menu already wasn't, like, a huge menu. So, like, say they had, like, 14 items. I guarantee you six to seven were not on the menu. So it was like, seven items. And so everyone had to get, like, chicken sandwiches, which is what I got, or shrimp. And literally the shrimp came out in a bowl that was about like this. And it was either 25 or $35. And everyone was like, you gotta be kidding me right now. [00:10:35] Speaker A: That is incredible. [00:10:36] Speaker B: The dude that was from the Michigan, that was from Michigan with the dark beard, he was like. He's like, what the fuck is this? [00:10:45] Speaker A: Oh, man. There's just one of those where just, like, I feel like everybody just kind of kept it under wraps. But any individual that had that experience at that table, if it wasn't for that trip, would have definitely been lighting somebody up, but nobody. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Or just left something. Yeah, if it wouldn't have been a big group or party, everybody. [00:11:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:11:02] Speaker B: This is ridiculous. Like, if you. [00:11:04] Speaker A: We were kind of screwed, too, because with 30 people, you don't exactly just have 30 people's worth of food on hand at any point. So if we didn't get that, we were screwed. We were up a creek, nothing else to eat. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:14] Speaker A: So we just had to deal with it, but it ended up fine. And. Yeah, so we watched a little. I tried to put on the truck race when everybody was kind of, you know, about afternoon when everybody's still trying to get back. [00:11:25] Speaker B: We didn't watch a lap of the truck race. Me and you watched the race from last year and thought it was this year's. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's that sentence right there. Should tell you everything you need to know about how we're feeling right now. [00:11:37] Speaker B: On Monday, we didn't know the race was cancer postponed. They were showing the race from last year, and we're straight up watching it like it was this race. [00:11:49] Speaker A: Oh, we got puzzled on that. [00:11:51] Speaker B: I get on Twitter, and I was like, caleb, this is the wrong race. Because they were like. It was like, just a couple minutes ago. They're like, take. They're like, they're taking the tarps off the truck right now or whatever. In the xfinity race, in the cup or in the truck. Racer gonna go green flag at the same time? Pretty much. And, oh, man. One was in gateway, one was in Portland. But we watched, we had it up. We couldn't. There's no Wi fi in this place. There wasn't great service. So, like, Twitter didn't always really work that well. But Caleb had his computer up on the. On the mantle thing up there, which, when you're sitting down and looking up at the mantle, you couldn't even really see the computer, which was also awesome. But we were watching the wrong race, which tops. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Whole deal off. We're also, like, not listening to the broadcast or anything they had to say. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Because I had it turned down, my speaker on it now. [00:12:40] Speaker B: But, uh, yeah, that was the wrong race. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Oh, man. Dude. [00:12:46] Speaker B: And then we didn't. We had to use a hotspot to do that. Didn't want to use the hot spot anymore. So we didn't watch a single lap of the trucks or Portland race. I just kept Caleb up with a couple updates on Twitter that I could find that I'm not sure I remember. [00:13:00] Speaker A: So if I give any opinions on a truck race or an xfinity race, just know I have no idea what I'm talking about. But cup race did get to watch it. So that one I can at least, you know, I can flap my jaw about a little bit. But, yeah, we got home on Sunday and. [00:13:14] Speaker B: How badass. Shane van Gisbergen is a bad son of a gun. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:13:21] Speaker B: He just is a badass. [00:13:23] Speaker A: I just. I cannot believe the fact that he's already won two NASCAR national series races and he's barely even been racing ovals and NASCAR stock cars for a year. I know that was a road course that they won on. So it's like he's just. He's the. He is what AJ Almandinger used to be talked up about. I feel like he's now threatening that. When you heard Chris Rice the other day and door bumper queer talking, and I think AJ, whenever he first got there, was a little bit threatened because the way that he put it, he was like, AJ Almendinger definitely took a minute to warm up to the idea that Shane was going to be on this team. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:01] Speaker A: And. But now that they, now they kind of lean on each other. So I think they've gotten over it a little bit. But definitely, I think AJ was just like, this is my thing, dude. I'm the super, I'm the. I'm the road course guy. What are you doing here? Yeah, and now he's gone and he. [00:14:17] Speaker B: Congratulate him in victory lane and stuff. They're definitely. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Oh, they've. Yeah, he's gotten over it now. [00:14:22] Speaker B: We said here again, this one of the things we talked about on the pod in preseason thunder, though, like getting to watch them go head to head in the same equipment at road courses was going to be like top tier tv. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And AJ finished fourth in the race, it looks like I, like I said, I didn't get to watch it set. [00:14:39] Speaker B: All the reasons why top seven, which on door bumper clear. Chris Rice said, we have to win this race. [00:14:48] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:14:49] Speaker B: And they came, they do have to all finish top seven. [00:14:53] Speaker A: You heard him talking about the way that Matt reacted to them finishing a genuine last place, running last on the racetrack at North Wilkesboro. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:01] Speaker A: He was like, that was so you could tell he got. He had a major talking to after that one. Like, we can't let this happen again. I'm here to chase trophies. I can't win him from the back of the pack. [00:15:11] Speaker B: They were getting ready to have another talk after yesterday because Hemrick was running dead last. Dead last in yesterday. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Was running dead last. [00:15:21] Speaker B: I don't know where he finished 18th because I looked. I wanted to see where. [00:15:24] Speaker A: There you go. Yeah. [00:15:25] Speaker B: So because of some attrition and some things that happened, you know, whatever. [00:15:28] Speaker A: And I'm going to guess strategy calls. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, top 20, that's fine. That's great for them. [00:15:34] Speaker A: But. But I mean, shoot, you got Derek Krauss finishing in 30th, so that's another colleague car. That's way the hell back. There you go. 18th. [00:15:42] Speaker B: I think. I think. [00:15:43] Speaker A: I think you're right. But I mean, that just tells you everything you need to know. Their cut program. I. I think we talked about this a long time ago before we ever had this podcast going, but I remember us talking. I don't remember whose opinion it was, but I still stand behind it. As soon as they announced that they were going to start a cup series team, I was like, man, they better kiss. Finishing 12349 Xfinity all the time. Goodbye. And it's going to be hard because you got to manage those resources. Like, obviously he wouldn't be there if he didn't have the money to do it, but it doesn't mean that it's going to make it any easier. Now you're adding cup series programs, some of them part time, some of them full time, moving drivers around. You've shaken up your entire business strategy. And now it's like, colleague went from being almost unbeatable and xfinity and they were definitely the top dogs to. I don't know, man. They're just kind of part of the pack now. And their cup series program obviously has not quite gotten to where they need it to be yet. I mean, they had a couple. They've had a couple good things happen. Don't give me wrong. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Not there. I mean, they have a couple cup series wins, which is great for them, but, like, they used to do a good job of like, capitalizing on moments, if that makes sense. Like. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I. Good way to put it. Yes. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Almond in the best car at the track where he can go win at. [00:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:04] Speaker B: And like, all those things, to me, that's where the whole chasing trophies thing, it's like, man, y'all really are like, this makes sense to me. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:12] Speaker B: And same thing, which he caught a lot of heat for putting almond dinger in the xfinity race. Whatever. Last year when it, like, conflicted with something to do with the playoffs in the cup series. Whatever. They were trying to put their best person in the best place to win a race. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker B: So I feel like that is like that strategy is like semi out the door because, I mean, they got full time guys here and, like, I know we've talked about Daniel Hammerick. It's like, okay, you're not chasing trophies in the cup series with Daniel Hammer. Can Derek Krause. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Laps. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:48] Speaker A: Getting data points. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:49] Speaker A: I don't know what always wants to. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Talk about, but, you know, you're not. You're not doing that. So, like, that. That is a thing there. And then as we talked about as a whole, the. The Xfinity Series team just does not. Is not what it was. Yeah. You know, overall not what it was. But to go to a road course yesterday or Saturday and all the cars finished top seven, which was like three or three cars. I think Josh Williams finished seven. So it was Van Gisbergen first, Alma Dinger fourth, him seven. That's. That's what they. They needed that they had to do that. And we said last week on this podcast how Justin Haley looks like a genius for, like, leaving. What I'm sure he saw, like we just said, weird, you know, the situation over here is changing. I'm going to do something else. And here again, boom, another top ten finish. Justin Haley and a Rick where car has more top tens this season than Austin Dillon. I mean, what more can you say about Justin Haley? I mean, dude's killing. [00:19:00] Speaker A: He absolutely is. And I think you're completely right. I think you saw that there was writing on the wall that their team's mentality was changing and that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. We may be commenting on a lack of success, but that sells you where the expectations for colleague racing is. They're not. The cup series program aside and Xfinity, it's not like they are finishing dead last consistently. It's not that we're necessarily telling them every single race needs to be a top five or better, but when you're consistently underperforming compared to where you used to be, it makes you wonder how much the, the mentality of just like what you said, they used to be chasing trophies. They just wanted any trophy they could get. And maybe it's a positive spin. I mean, maybe playing the devil's advocate here, it could be that there my ideology has gone from we want any trophy to we want bigger trophies, we want bigger moments. We want to go deep into the playoffs and maybe they're shifting their focus a little bit away from individual races and the moments that you were talking about and trying to find a way to put a full season together. And this is all just inference and just things you see on the racetrack. Off the racetrack mentality. Changes are always something that could be a positive. But it makes me wonder what's going on over at colleague, what kind of conversations that they're having. Because it's obvious that Matt McCall or Matt colleague, good Lord, Matt McCall tells you how hungover I am. I'm naming crew chiefs now, but he's, he's talking to his team president and telling him I'm not pleased with the performance. I need it to be better. So he's obviously still in this thing. Just, I'm very intrigued just with you. Just like you have always said, putting Daniel Henrick in a cup car. What's the, what's the end goal there? Putting AJ Almandinger back into the Xfinity series for the full time runs, putting him in random spots up in the cup series. What's the long term goal there? What do you, what are you trying to do with all these pieces and parts that you've got and with all this allied over with track house here and talking with these guys over here, it's like there's obviously a plan. I just don't see it yet. I don't see what it is that you're trying to work for because I don't see anything paying off just yet. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:20] Speaker A: So I have a lot more questions than I necessarily do concerns. But the concern is definitely starting to build. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. You know, I all that say I think SVG is a badass, but I also think SVG is going to be in a track house cup car next year. [00:21:40] Speaker A: And that'd be pretty damn neat. Maybe they'll break. Maybe they'll finally get up to Nashville a little bit more and we'll be able to see an australian doing shoeis off the top of Morgan Wallin's new bar that shall be unsigned. [00:21:53] Speaker B: No sign at the Morgan Wallen bar according to Nashville. I was about to say something else. Oh. Let's talk about what we nailed before the news happened last week. Shr shutting down. We caught. We caught it on here. We literally said once, once we all saw that the land and the facility was up for sale. You gotta know, like, you just gotta. You just gotta. Everybody on Twitter called it the worst kept secret in the garage. Like, it's. It once, like you could be. You could be extremely out of the loop and know that once it's for sale, the land, such as for sale, that like, okay, something here's. Something's changing soon. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Yes. Something is changing. What do you. Where do you think those charters are going? Did you send me that thing the other day? Sure. [00:22:49] Speaker B: One is for sure. From what I can read. There's one that's unknown right now. We got for sure to front row or for sure to track house and are for sure to 20 311. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:03] Speaker B: But we have one up for grabs too. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Say those one more time. Track house 20 311 and front row motorsports. Front row motorsports. Interesting number of changes there. I mean, you got Michael McDowell leaving front row, which means that they'll now have two open. [00:23:22] Speaker B: So that my analogy here with Ford and all the things is Ford is very involved in this and doesn't want to lose some of these guys. I'm hearing and it's the same stuff that it's not just I'm hearing like I have personal people telling me it's like just what I see on twitter. Briscoe to the 21 and then Barry and Gregson to front row. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:23:48] Speaker B: Front row is going to be odd man out there. There is an odd man out there. [00:23:54] Speaker A: Ryan priest. I get it. I get it. I hate it. But I get it. He's not performing. He's not involved with the group stuff. Whether that is his own doing on both of those accounts, whether that's his own doing or team doing, I don't know. [00:24:09] Speaker B: You got to think, too. If, say, RFK, which I heard there in the mix, doesn't mean it's for sure. But, say RFK gets the. Gets the fourth one. That's three of those four cars are going to go back to Ford. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Which is good. Which is good for them, I'd say. [00:24:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:27] Speaker B: Lose one, losing all of them. But, like, it would be if, you know, Ford would be, you know, that'd be good for forward to get at least three of the four that are getting put up for grass. [00:24:38] Speaker A: It would be. And then track house or track house 20, 311 would have to be finding somebody else. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:45] Speaker A: To fill in a spot. [00:24:46] Speaker B: No way. I'm an idiot. I'm sorry. [00:24:49] Speaker A: We're just gonna turn things. [00:24:51] Speaker B: Sorry. 20, 311 is Toyota. Track house is a Chevy. I was thinking about Briscoe and the 21 that charters already there. Sorry. That's where my mind was. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Three of the drivers I really. Drivers would stay with Ford, I guess, in some way, shape or form, whether it be on a new charter situation. Say RFK got a charter. That's where my head was. Sorry. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:14] Speaker B: Say if RFK gets a charter that's afford. Front row gets a charter that's a forward, and then the 21 gets one of those drivers. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker B: It's pretty common knowledge that Harrison Burton is out. I mean, everybody posts that. I mean, Bob pockers even post that, like. [00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah. In which if you don't see that coming, I don't know what you're watching. [00:25:32] Speaker B: If you don't see that coming. You didn't see shr getting sold, either. So I don't know what to tell you if you don't see that one, but, yeah, that's. That's what I was getting at there. Sorry, I just have my words mixed up, but that's what I was going for. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Well, that just. I mean, we could take all of that and put it all together into one sentence. This is the wildest set of moves that I've personally seen since I've been started watching. I mean, there's one team shutting down, multiple teams growing, one team switching a driver, one guy leaving for a different team. I mean, it's a. It's a mess. Those graphics that they start the year off with, with everybody moving from one team to the other, it's going to look like a damn spider web by the end of it. [00:26:10] Speaker B: I mean, they've been saying this year is going to be the silliest of silly seasons. There is. So it's living up to the hype. [00:26:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I completely agree. And to kind of segue that into the race that we saw on Sunday a little bit, Austin Cendrick gets this surprise. I can't call it a fluke win because they genuinely had top five speed all day. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Fluke isn't. He hasn't ran that good in 85 races. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Fluke is. Well, yes. [00:26:39] Speaker B: That's where you're going with that. [00:26:41] Speaker A: Well, yeah, exactly. It's just I'm out here in a very important season where there is a lot of competition. There is so many drivers that are looking for rides. You have a whole team of four people that now are unemployed next year. Every single one of them has their eye on all these ideas about where people are going. We may be fairly certain, but until those actual deals get announced by the teams or the drivers, everything is up for grabs. [00:27:06] Speaker B: Totally. [00:27:07] Speaker A: I mean, contract negotiations can get eliminated at any point because somebody else offers something better over here. So Austin Cendricks riding in a two car, that is the only car in the last two years at his team that hasn't won a championship or a race or a race. And you're talking about a guy with one race win, one top ten for the entire year. This was only a second top ten, even much less top five or when this. So in a way, it feels like a fluke win. They just, if you take it out of context with the rest of the season, they ran phenomenal yesterday. I don't know where the hell that came from, but all of a sudden, he comes out here and gets this win. Does that change your mind at all about Austin Cendrick and his future pension? I hate to be answer dancer. [00:27:58] Speaker B: As long as Tim Cendrick is the team president of Peninsky, I don't see Austin Cedric going anywhere. And then yesterday in the press conference, they are saying, like, we've never lost hope. And Austin Centric, I mean, I just say that, too. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Well, there, if I'm on the trophy, I'm going to say some positive shit, too, though. [00:28:16] Speaker B: I like, I like Austin. Like, he's, he's. I thought, I've said on this podcast, I thought when he came in from the Xfinity series, comes out with a win and did run good there originally. I was like, damn, this guy's about to light it up. And then that just did not happen. And we've talked about that on here, how. How for what the expectations were for him coming into what has happened. Like, yes, you would call that a disappointment of a thing. You know, I think the Penske lineup is the. Is the Penske lineup for the foreseeable future. I don't think there's much changing there. Just, I mean, you're not just going to get rid of Joe with the Gano and then I don't. [00:28:56] Speaker A: You're definitely not getting rid of those two. [00:28:58] Speaker B: The president's son right now while he's. I don't know. [00:29:04] Speaker A: It'd be. You'd be a fool to not assume that he had a hand in helping his son get to that position. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think also. [00:29:11] Speaker A: But I don't know their relationship good enough. I don't know Roger Penske and Tim Cendrick's relationship good enough or Austin Cendrick and Roger. There's a lot of moving parts to this. I have. I cannot speak to how much him being the team president helps him stay in that ride. [00:29:27] Speaker B: I mean, also, if some huge free agent comes available and Roger Penske wants to put him in his race car, you're not going to stop Roger Penske from putting the guy in his race car. You know exactly that. I mean, if he wants to make that decision, he will make that decision. [00:29:41] Speaker A: That's where I'm at with, it's his. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Name on the side of the car. Not. Not centric. [00:29:45] Speaker A: You know, I think it's real easy to say good things about somebody when they do something awesome, but I think it's really difficult to. I think it'd be very difficult for anybody to be able to just blatantly open face tell you that we never had a single doubt about Austin syndrome after it's been, what, three, four years now that he's been in that ride. [00:30:04] Speaker B: 26. [00:30:05] Speaker A: Every single year, it is declined instead of going up. [00:30:09] Speaker B: That's, that. That's a great point. That's the biggest thing, probably. It started out here. Even after the win, he had a little bit of success and not. Not even leading laps, just like top ten, top five, you know, whatever. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Doing what a young driver needed to. [00:30:24] Speaker B: Do gradually went down every year in the car. [00:30:27] Speaker A: So you, best and worst thing that ever happened to Austin Cendrick was winning his very first race in the Cup Series at that Daytona 500 because it set him up with so many experts expectations. The only thing he had to do at that point was under deliver, but it also helped add a little bit of credence. Credence to his name of. I do have a win in the NASCAR Cup Series, and it's a daytone to 500, so I can show up in those big moments. [00:30:50] Speaker B: So 500 around for five years at least. [00:30:54] Speaker A: It's. And it's working. It's working. But best and worst thing, when your first. When your first race is a win, Shane van Gisbergen could probably speak to this, too. When your very first race is a win, you only have down to go. The best you can ever hope to do is to meet that same level of expectation. [00:31:15] Speaker B: I saw a cool stat, and Kyle Busch has the record for most percentage of wins in the NASCAR's top three series, like, out of his starts. And it's obviously because he has, like 110 Xfinity Series wins. That definitely helps his status. [00:31:30] Speaker A: And was he at like 60 something truck wins? I'd have to look it up to know for sure. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. [00:31:35] Speaker A: It's another big. [00:31:36] Speaker B: I know it's like 200 and something total of all three, but, dude, he's won something stupid, like, 18% of the races he has started in his NASCAR career, which just blows everybody else out of the water. Yeah, but the reason this stat is out there is because SVG is very high on the list, like, right up behind Kyle Busch. Because he's won a little bit over 10% of his starts with the two. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Yeah, because he started, like, what, 20 something races, and he's won two of them now. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And they were. People were making jokes. It was like, the next time, the next road course, which I don't think that they are racing anymore. I think. I think the road. There's only one road course on the truck Series schedule this year, which that's probably for the best, which was Coda. But some people were making jokes. It's like they should just put him in a truck at the next road course, he would be almost guaranteed to win, and he would officially have the quickest win in each first three series in NASCAR history pending. It happened. But you know what I mean, like, starts wise. [00:32:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be nuts. You know, he would. That's the hard part, though, is, you know, that he would get in there and some young buck and a. In a truck that he has no business being in is going to force him three wide into a corner on a lap he couldn't pray to complete. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:53] Speaker A: And just knock him out of the way. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Totally. [00:32:55] Speaker A: That's what I would expect. But, yeah. So the heartbreak, the Blaney fan heartbreak, I'm wearing my Ryan Blaney shirt and memoriam of what almost was. We get around one lap to go. I mean. I mean, you could tee up the whole thing, too. There was two guys that were fighting for the win, and there was one guy waiting in the wings. And first you have the phenomenal, phenomenal battle between Blaney and C Bill, where they are dogfighting back and forth for what would be the lead and then what eventually was the lead. [00:33:34] Speaker B: And it felt like they raced like that forever, like it felt like they did for so long. [00:33:38] Speaker A: It's like ten to 15 laps of just back and forth and back and forth and diving low and coming up high. As soon as Christopher Bell finally managed to get position on him the first time time and got on his outside. And Blaine, he had to pull the crossover. If it wasn't for as good of a run as he got off a turn four to make that crossover move happen, that would have been it right there, Sam. [00:34:01] Speaker B: And he made it happen. [00:34:01] Speaker A: C Bell's engine blowing up, but he crossed him back over and retook the lead on the next set of corners, which blew my mind, because I thought as soon as c Bell got that outside, he's just going to do the same thing you were doing. [00:34:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:14] Speaker A: And he comes back, right back, gets the lead again, and then just starts doing everything all over again. Yeah, it was mind blowing racing. I loved every second of it. I was getting nervous, but I had a feeling Blaney didn't win. I just had a sneaking suspicion because I was watching it later. Once again, I got stuck at the dog boarding place because they wouldn't give me my dog back for 2 hours until they had a front desk person there to click a couple buttons on the computer. That's a story for another day, too. [00:34:41] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:34:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I did not leave there very happy, and they know it. But I finally get home, and I have to restart watching the race from the middle of stage two, when y'all are already about 50 laps to go. So I finally get home, and I start watching, and I just had this feeling, man, when I saw it coming down to the end, but then it gets to the white flag. So Cbel finally blows his engine. I still haven't heard exactly what it was. Somebody was saying dropping cylinders. He was saying blowing up. I never really got a full picture about what exactly happened there. I never saw any smoke come out of the car, either. So c bills out of it. Then Blaine, he comes to collect the white, and I saw it going into turn three when Suarez re passed him to go back. [00:35:28] Speaker B: That was weird. [00:35:28] Speaker A: Onto the lead. I don't know if it was a lead lapper, if he was a lapper already, but he got one of his laps back there, and as soon as I saw that happen, I was like, something is wrong with Blaine's car. There's no way he was going slow enough with a lap. Car just passed coming off of turn four, looking kind of normal again. Cause in the middle of the corner, he got another burst of speed to get up and around Suarez, and so I'm like, what is going. How did he pass you? And then how did you just suddenly get that major burst of speed and pass him back? Why did Cendricks interval just go from 2.6 down to 1.3 in a straightaway? That should happen in a corner, not a straightaway. So there was just so many things in my head. I'm like, oh, no, there's. Something's about to happen. Boom. Comes off a turn four up against the wall. Cendrick dives down low, and as soon as I saw Cendrick get out of line, I knew something was major going on. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Next thing you know, he doesn't. He doesn't even lead. The second to last lap, centric comes around, sneaks a win out of there. A much needed, badly needed win. I mean, they needed that top two run, much less getting the win at the end. But holy crap. Talk about. I cannot believe what a huge letdown. I mean, running out of gas with a lap to go. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:47] Speaker A: Who's on the radio? Are they telling him to save? Are they not telling him to save? Did they just let him run? [00:36:53] Speaker B: Nobody had a clue. Guess nobody had a clue. I have a few theories here, and this is nothing anybody said. This is just me. Bsn. But this isn't a theory. This is just my. This. I just want to say this. If I know Blaney, Blaney was, like, so heartbroken that he could, like, he just, like, was just sitting there, you know, this head down thing. If it wouldn't have been another Penske car, it would have been, like, doubled down on the heart. [00:37:20] Speaker A: He would have been cussed. He would never have taken that interview, and he would have gone straight to his pit box. What the hell was that? Yeah, how did that happen? [00:37:28] Speaker B: So this is my thought. So, like, him, Logano, there was, like, four guys because everybody messed, like, reposted Bob packers, tweet that said this, but there's, like, four guys that all pitted on the same lap, and he says, in the tweet, like, these guys would be good to go on gas, and they weren't, like, the lap they put it on doesn't put you, like, you're just got enough gas for, you know, forever, but, like, enough gas to get through the race, maybe over, you know, something like that. Yeah. Okay. One, I think it's possible, and this is always possible, that, like, they didn't get as much gas in the car as they thought they did. I think that could be a thing. But I personally think, because they battled for so long, the 20 and the 20 and the twelve were battling so hard for so long, that one Blaney is using. I mean, he's hard on the gas non stop. You know, I'm saying so he is always that way. He's not. Not only is he not saving, he's driving harder than he normally would be, which is going to use more gas. Yeah. [00:38:36] Speaker A: Cbel was obviously faster than he was. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Yes. And Blaney was driving his ass off, which immediately makes him use more gas. And the guy that turned in third, which I'm not saying he's not. He's not saving gas running third, but he's not running as hard as Blaney was having to run to keep the 20 off of him. And then I also never actually heard what happened to the 20 car. I did hear the drop sun or whatever, but they're shifting like hell when you're shifting and over revving the motor and all that. They literally raced so hard, the cars could not handle what was happening. I think, like, his car, I think he possibly blew it up on a shifting situation, and I think Blaney was running his absolute ass off using every drop of gas in that car possible. [00:39:20] Speaker A: I love the perspective on that, because it just makes you view that battle even more. [00:39:25] Speaker B: Yes. That's just my. [00:39:26] Speaker A: They fought so hard that their cars literally had nothing left to give. It was like, that's all we had. That race was just one lap too long to run that hard. [00:39:35] Speaker B: Yes. And like I said, and I don't know, like, per lap how long it was, but then battling side by side, literally, through the whole entire racetrack, both corners, both straightaways, it felt like it lasted forever, like, watching it go down and even what made it even cooler to me was having, like, the strategy of, like, you got these guys stand out long, you know, whatever. I love when they tell Blaney he's 1.5 black back, and Blainey goes for the lead. [00:40:05] Speaker A: And he win. [00:40:06] Speaker B: For the win. Yeah. And he's like, you know, he's like, he is out up here, and he was driving the hell out of the race. [00:40:12] Speaker A: Oh, he was already. Because everyone on that racetrack and the guys up in the booth, everybody knew that c Bell should have won that race. He absolutely deserved to win that race. And anybody that argues otherwise, and I'm on this, I'm the leader of the c Bell hate page. So if I'm saying it, everybody's got to be saying, that dude was fast as all hell. [00:40:32] Speaker B: I don't know, world traffic. His car was fast. And when everybody else would get stuck in traffic, yeah, he was still fast. [00:40:40] Speaker A: Like, whenever they were talking about Blaney trying to pass Boba Wallace for position on the racetrack, took Blaney five laps to figure out he finally gets around him. That battle allows Cbel to catch up to him, and the moment Blaney gets around him, Christopher Bell did it in the next corner. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:57] Speaker A: So it took Christopher Bell two corners to do what it took everybody else about 20 corners to do. [00:41:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:03] Speaker A: That's how fast he was. That is how fast Christopher Bell's car was that day. And if it wasn't for that grenade situation, there's no way Blaney held that up for another 25 laps. There just wasn't going to be a way. Obviously, by the end of it, we hindsight 2020. I think he would have gotten around him at some point, regardless. But, man, I was just. It was mind blowing. I love the way. I love the way you just put that, though, because that makes me view that that battle even different. But did you vote yes on the pole? Oh, absolutely. That was a phenomenal race. See, I thought I could totally see some people saying something otherwise, because it did get a little processional in the middle there. [00:41:40] Speaker B: But that's the only thing I was. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Going to bring up so much strategy. It had. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Yes, it had groups of cars doing. [00:41:45] Speaker A: One thing, groups of cars doing another thing. The fast cars always ended up front. The slow cars always found their way back to where they were. I mean, that was an old school NASCAR race from top to bottom. [00:41:57] Speaker B: I agree 100,000%. It literally felt like an old race because of all the way the stage. I wish every race, the stages were set up long enough like that to bring in that much strategy. And, yeah, the only part during the race that I was like, you know, whatever, is when we talked on the phone, and I was like, you haven't missed much. And it was very. I said, it's very gateway. There's just a lot of, you know, it was like this whole dirty air thing, whatever. Well, the dirty air thing, semi went out the window when the whole field was on. Different strategies, then you have comers and goers, different guys on different gas. Different guys, not different gas, different gas strategies. Newer tires, older tires. There was two tires, was four tire stops that jumbled it all up. And once it got jumbled up, boom, we had. We had a hell of a race. And then. And then the way they could race side by side, I mean, that I was already enjoying it, but then seeing the Blaney bell battle made me, like, I was like, this is awesome. And then the other stuff that happened, just like, that uncertainty thing that I always talk about loving, that made it even more awesome for me. You know, like, that was like, it was just. It just. It, like, kept getting better for me the whole entire race, which is great as a. As a fan. You're just more and more excited, more and more invested the whole entire race. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Without a doubt. I completely agree with that. [00:43:22] Speaker B: So, yes, I also voted yes because of all those things. Like, it just started out being great. [00:43:27] Speaker A: That's the thing, is, I love it when people ask me, you sit down and watch an entire NASCAR race from beginning to end. I get every question so often. I know you do, too. I know anybody that watches racing like we do, they get this question, do you really sit down and watch an entire race beginning to end? Like, how does that not get boring, just watching these cars go around in circles? And I'm like, because you don't know how racing works. You think that. [00:43:54] Speaker B: And this isn't what you don't know. [00:43:56] Speaker A: Because you don't know what you don't know. [00:43:58] Speaker B: You don't know. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but you just need someone to be able to sit down and explain the story of the day, because if you came into me on lap with. With, like, 60 laps to go in the race that we just watched yesterday, do you know how long? And I know you do, but if someone comes up to you at 60 laps to go in that race and asks you, oh, dang, is so and so going to win there? I see they're in the lead, and they're running out of laps. It would take me a solid three minutes to give you a good enough description for you to understand the fact that the guy running in 9th place right now has the best chance to win this race as long as a caution doesn't come out. The guy that's running in 9th. And there's a problem, though, because the guy running in 11th is probably going to catch him. And it's going to make it a really close race for the win. You can't just walk up to a tv and know that about a race like what we just saw yesterday. And that is why I loved everything that this race was, is because every little thing that happened in that race changed the way that race was going to finish. Brad Keselowski could have went, could have won that race if a caution had come out in the third stage. Christopher Bell could have won that race if the caution doesn't come out and he doesn't blow motor. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Blow motor and his motor doesn't blow up. [00:45:16] Speaker A: And there's other guys on also varying strategies who are running back in 25th right now that, had things turned out just slightly differently, they would have been probably top five, top ten. And that's just something that you cannot get out of just coming up and casually inserting yourself into any part of that race. You've got to watch it from beginning to end, because that's the story of the race. It's the way that they get from lap one to lap 300, how it plays out, who's doing what. I mean, I texted you and Brandon yesterday. If Keselowski had just been on, if he just had been dealt another hand, he'd have been fine. But everybody's making a guess as to how they think it's going to happen. And it just didn't work out for some guys did work out for others, and for others, it both worked out and didn't work out. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:01] Speaker A: And that's the reason why this race is a good race, is because that race was a story from beginning to end. Whereas there's sometimes, just like you said, I loved the way that they broke the stages out because the first one being 45 laps to the last one being extremely long, you got a little bit of that. Okay, here's a sprint race, here's a little bit longer of a thing, and here's a long green flag run to end the race on. I mean, that it just worked out in such a personal way. [00:46:29] Speaker B: Someone last week on the podcast that I listened to, all the ones I'll listen to, someone brought that up. It's like, you should change the stages to literally what you just said. So you have, like, different types of races within each race. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I think that was on door bumper clear. Talking about how the 600 is 100, 100, 100, 100. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Which we talked about that on the podcast before the 600, how it's the same the whole race because it's 100, 100. It would be a lot cooler if it was different, like 50 laps and then 200 laps and then, you know, however they wanted to do it. [00:47:06] Speaker A: But, yeah, I think it makes it for an awesome race, but that's just part of it. I mean, every race has its different things that you're coming to, to see, and gateway. I think they've done a great job of doing exactly that, taking what could be a really, really boring race and sprinkling in just enough with the way that they regulate that race to make sure that at some point, there's something for everybody. There's a short, quick, fast race, your heart out stage. There's a long green flag run. Because if they didn't do that, I think that race would have, it would have absolutely been an extremely boring race. But it worked out phenomenal to be able to watch all those varying strategy ideas work out, watching some guys race their cars literally to the point where their car can't go any further. Like, how is that not a good race? [00:47:57] Speaker B: Totally. All right, let's, uh. You said you had some thoughts on the Kyle Busch Kyle Larson wreck. Let's hear it. [00:48:04] Speaker A: Oh, this is going to be, this is going to be my, my thing this week that I think is going to make a lot of people have a lot of opinions about your hack. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Of the week because. [00:48:15] Speaker A: No, not my hack of the week. Just a general question, just to you, to anybody. Are we seeing the decline of Kyle Busch potentially? [00:48:35] Speaker B: I don't think so. If, if it's. It's all the circumstances, I think if Kyle Busch was still in a top tier car, I think Kyle Busch is still guaranteed a few wins a year. [00:48:52] Speaker A: I'm not arguing that even on the. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Back end of the Joe Gibbs thing, when he hated everything and whatever, and whatever, he still had a couple wins a year when things were, at the time, as worse as they could have got, in his opinion. [00:49:05] Speaker A: See, in my head, I'm basing this not just off of racing, what he does on the racetrack, also his comments off the racetrack. I think the dude is obviously calmed down a lot. His opinions he gives in his media interviews are not nearly as divisive or polarizing as they used to be. I don't know if that's because he has a tighter leash now or because he just genuinely is getting older and just does not have the same drive to piss everybody the hell off like he used to. You're also seeing interviews come out where Kyle's talking about his plan for retirement and how that's going to go for him, and he already has it worked out in his head. [00:49:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:44] Speaker A: That's kind of the thing that they always talk about with marriage, is the one thing you never joke about is divorce, because you don't even want to be. You don't even want that word to exist in your marriage. I wonder if the same thing somewhat applies to something as competitive as a racing career. The moment you start talking about leaving and the moment that you have a plan for leaving, that's the moment that your performance is probably going to start its decline. But you got those two things going on. You've got him definitely outrunning the equipment at some points. He has moments where he does shine, but then he also has moments where he wrecks Stenhouse on lap one. Lap, basically. Lap one, lap two, whatever it was, he wrecks him out of the race. And then now you've got him get barely even sideswiped by the five car, and then just absolutely drive in there so damn low, squeeze him down into the bottom of the corner, hit him a couple times, cause yourself to get a flat tire and wreck out of the race. Like Kyle Larson kept racing you. You were out. So now we've got Kyle throwing temper tank. What looked like, I can't speak to him. I wasn't in the car, but it looks like you threw a temper tantrum. Pretty much like two and a. Two weeks in a row, or not two weeks in a row, but like two races recently, in the last three weeks, you've got all these. All this talk about retirement. Even whenever you do make a mistake, you just get out of the car and give a very bland interview. I don't know. I haven't been seeing the fire out of Kyle Busch that made Kyle Busch who he was. And that's where I'm at. [00:51:14] Speaker B: Bush Kyle Busch. [00:51:15] Speaker A: Yes. I don't see that anymore. Yeah, I feel like people finally got on his side when he went to RCR and people genuinely liked him. And then, I don't know, maybe. I can't say if that affected him or not. But it's just like, you don't get booed anymore. You're getting cheered for. You're not as, you're not performing as much. You don't have a win for a whole year in the NASCAR Cup Series. He's got another six months to figure it out, to get it, to get a win so he doesn't lose his every season, get a win race streak. But I don't know. It's getting, it's. It's given me Jimmy Johnson, June 2017 vibes. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Man. I I probably said the same thing about Jimmy Johnson, though, too, back in the day until it panned out and then it was just over, you know? Yeah, but I just. What am I trying to say? It's hard to be, like, like, yesterday, and he's like, we can't afford to have, like, this day. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Like, when you got to capitalize on, like, what we talked about last week. Kyle Busch's average finish there is 1.5 or whatever, and he's the only Chevrolet to qualify in the top ten. You know, he ran good. Austin Dillon finished six, I think, eight, something like that. So that's a opportunity, clearly, for them to run well. And I think, like, the quote, like, we suck just as bad as you do that he said to Ricky, you know, like, it's hard for him to be as fired up and. And in the mix when his cars, I think he thinks, are that bad. You know what I'm saying? Like, he has to, like, overdrive when he's in the opportunity to be up there. He feels like he has to get it all right now. Right now. Right now. So he's, like, over driving the car in a way that that is true. [00:53:16] Speaker A: But he also is the only reason that he didn't finish that race yesterday. [00:53:20] Speaker B: 100%. I'm just saying, like, in my mind, I still think Kyle Busch is great. Ain't like a great race car driver. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Well, I'm not going to make the argument that he's not. I think if you put me and MJ on the same basketball court right now, I think he still whoops my fucking ass. And most people in the NBA, he could probably still beat them on a one on one game. That's probably true. But Kyle Busch is sitting 17th in the driver's standings right now. [00:53:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:45] Speaker A: And that is not that I don't agree with you. [00:53:48] Speaker B: Like, I agree with you. And it's like, last year was, like, very. He didn't overall run as good as Kyle Busch runs overall in a season, but he did pump out three wins. So that, like, gave them all something to be happy about and, like, hang their hat on, I would say. But then, like, when you run like this without squeaking out a win or two there, it, like, makes everything, the pressure and the media and just all the stuff even worse, you know? [00:54:20] Speaker A: Like. Yeah. And it doesn't. It doesn't help that he's not up there every week running in the top ten. [00:54:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:26] Speaker A: Running the top five. I mean, you're running. Let's. I know this isn't necessarily his average finish, but I mean, you're running average around 17th place. Obviously, you're not in the conversational line. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Normally where it guys at in points is about where your average finishing position is. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:42] Speaker B: So you're correct. [00:54:43] Speaker A: And at the end of the day, you're looking at this and saying, while I do still believe that Kyle Busch is arguably one of the greatest NASCAR drivers of all time, are most of those stats behind him? And obviously, yes, he's older, but how many more stat headlines does he have in front of him, and how difficult is it going to be for him to overcome the adversity he's obviously going through right now, knowing his age, knowing how much he's starting to focus on his own kids racing career. It's, it's getting, it's just getting to the point where I'm starting to ask some questions. I'm not necessarily trying to sit here and write Kyle Busch's story, and I can't tell you specifically because I don't know Kyle Busch, but I know for a fact that I'm getting closer to the end of the book than I am to the beginning. And I'm starting to make predictions as to how I think it will play out, and it's hard for me not to throw in there. Is, is the Kyle Busch we got used to? Is that in the past now? Is he now just doing everything he can to try to salvage a good few years out of this thing until he can race Braxton in the truck series? [00:55:54] Speaker B: Let me ask you a question right now. With knowing what you know about these two race teams and like, the ceiling and what you think is happening with one and happening with the other, if you were a race car driver and you had a contract on the table from RCR Inspire Motor sports, who would you pick? [00:56:16] Speaker A: Man, that's tough. That's really tough. I think if I had to just in a snap decision, make a, make a decision, I kind of had to deliberate that one for a second in my head. I would take the Spire motorsports deal. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Same because I'm with, you have a. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Race team that has employed Austin Dillon, who is obviously not doing what you need him to do as a race car driver, but you're keeping him around. You put Kyle Busch in a position at your team, and I think he's your focus. And I think he's the person that I'm going to have to compete with every week. And I don't know that the other, the other car would get as much attention as Kyle Busch would. I think it's not. People are questioning what's going on over that team, whereas when they question what's going on over at spire Motorsports, they are obviously investing so much into their, into their team. They're acquiring drivers that they think will move them up. They are acquiring spotters that are some of the best spotters to ever sit on the stand. They have a major backing with their investor, which could go one of two different ways. But it seems like they're trying to put their best foot forward. I think they want to grow more than RCR. I think RCR is a little bit complacent sometimes. And I think Spire is not willing to be right now. And that's where I'd rather go. [00:57:47] Speaker B: You nailed it. If you're a race car driver, you want to be around people that want to win races and will do anything to win races. You don't want to be with a team that spends half of their money being complacent. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And I know that Kyle Busch is in a position to win races driving that eight car, but, and it's, it's hard when you're the only one trying. [00:58:12] Speaker B: You got to hear me out, though, on this wild theory I have here. So I love it. He has already doing the spire truck stuff, which I get it, Chevrolet to Chevrolet, all that, you know, business stuff there talking correct Tal Bush, he wants to do all this stuff and possibly run the Truck series. I think he leaves RCR, goes to spire, ends his cup career, spire, and then goes and races the truck series with Spire after it's all said and done and he gets him back into a spot where he can. Spire is putting all the money, all the resources, all the things into the car. [00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:53] Speaker B: And for him to win races, I. [00:58:55] Speaker A: Like the wild theory. That is a wild theory. How many races in the Truck series is he already ran this year? [00:59:01] Speaker B: He's already was at his fifth. [00:59:03] Speaker A: I think he only won two this year, which anybody else does that damn. Pretty, pretty damn impressive. Kyle Busch does that. It's like, damn, what happened the other three times? It's just weird. That's, these are all the things that I've been, I've been watching this progress over the course of the season. And maybe it's just an offseason. Everybody's, everybody's entitled to one, but Kyle Busch is kind of too good to have him. So as soon as he starts, it's, it's going to start a conversation. I'll gladly be the one to start it just to watch the arguments rolling on Twitter. That's where I sit with it. [00:59:40] Speaker B: I'm with you. We said last week or week before last. Like, it is sad to see, like, how off RCR is. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah. But who knows? Maybe they are something coming down the pipeline. Chevy is also, Chevy started off the year extremely strong, and all of a sudden it seems like Ford has just leapfrogged him. So. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Yes, but it's also like, it's not, this isn't new. That RCR has been, quote unquote, sad. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:10] Speaker B: Since Kevin Harvick wasn't racing that 29 car, what is RCR done? [01:00:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very true. [01:00:16] Speaker B: And I think he left the RCR car in like 20, 12, 13, something like that. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And until tower Reddit got in it. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Okay, I don't got in it. They've won, they haven't won ten races between any driver in the last ten years. They have not won ten races total. I know that for a fact. Austin Dillon has a couple. Tyler Reddick had three or four. Yeah, two or three. Three or four, whatever. And then Kyle Busch has three or four. They're averaging, like, if you want to put it a win per year. [01:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:48] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [01:00:50] Speaker A: They wish they could have gotten a win per year. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. It's been like, it hasn't been good in a while while I'm here. Also wearing an RCR hat, just so everyone knows. [01:01:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Hey, last time we started talking shit about a team, they closed down. So. Mind mouth. [01:01:12] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's just one of those things. It's like, that's why I wanted to ask that question. It's like you go to, you know, you go where people want to win, and you don't just sit there and be complacent with, like, what it is, I guess. And they've just, I don't want to. [01:01:28] Speaker A: Go to a team where my teammate is the laughing stock of the podcast world in the sport that we are competing in. And right now, if you listen to an episode of Dirty Modo and don't hear them talk crap about Austin Dillon, you probably sneezed at some point because they're, they do it every week. I mean, it just, it's always happening. You've got everybody on. So that means dirty mo is okay with them talking crap about Austin Dillon because it happens every week and they haven't told them to stop. So that's the reputation that you have in the NASCAR community. Yeah, I don't think I'd be okay with that if I really cared about winning. Exactly. Plain and simple. Put it plain and simple. [01:02:10] Speaker B: You don't. So always talked about having that a list guy and what's the point of having, like, the A list guy and then the other guy that's like, not even on the board. Yeah. You know what I mean? [01:02:22] Speaker A: Like point. [01:02:22] Speaker B: You're gonna have two driver. I don't know, it's just the whole thing's just. It's just interesting. [01:02:27] Speaker A: I like it all the way around. [01:02:28] Speaker B: But, yeah, I think, yeah, we talked enough about all that other wild piece. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Of rumor news that hasn't been confirmed yet. But I want to get your thoughts on is the idea of them. So everybody knows that NASCAR is trying to figure out their charter deal. They're trying to. Trying to understand what the teams need and what they're willing to concess on to create a deal for the charter situation in NASCAR to be updated, become a little bit more modern. Modern. And the charters are basically your franchise rights to run a race car and have a guaranteed starting spot every single week. So they aren't necessarily structured the same way. And that's kind of the biggest argument right now. I know you know all this. I just. In case anybody doesn't know what all is going on, they're trying to negotiate how they want the sport to be structured for. I think it's like the next seven to ten or something like that. [01:03:26] Speaker B: Years, the tv deal, which is seven. [01:03:28] Speaker A: Years, and so they're trying to figure out exactly how the team. Yes, I agree, but there is a new rumor going around that two teams will be allowed to grandfather in and exempt this rule, but that they want to create the charter structure where there's only a maximum of three cars allowed per team. So you're only allowed to have three total charters. I don't think that that. Obviously, since this is still in the rumor mill, I don't think it necessarily eliminates them from the possibility of running a fourth. It just will not be a chartered fourth car, which means that when you show up to qualifying, you're only trying to compete for the remaining two to four to six spots in the race. [01:04:11] Speaker B: They don't get and they don't. I think that's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my whole life. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Let's go. I knew we'd agree on this. [01:04:20] Speaker B: This whole deal is so greedy and ass backwards of anything that I've ever heard is a proposal with two groups of people having to work together. This is the. [01:04:32] Speaker A: This is a France family proposal, for sure. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah. NASCAR has to have the teams. The teams have to have NASCAR, and they both have to have racetracks to race on that are safe and up to date and yada, yada, yada, yada, whatever. [01:04:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:45] Speaker B: This whole deal. First off, first off, when they proposed this, however long ago, when this came in, I don't actually remember the how many years this has been going on, but I'd say for a solid, like six, seven, something like that. Maybe. Were charters around in 2017 when you started watching? I don't know. [01:05:04] Speaker A: I mean, they could have been, but I didn't hear about them back then. [01:05:07] Speaker B: Okay? [01:05:08] Speaker A: I hear about them every damn day. [01:05:09] Speaker B: You cannot tell all of these guys originally because they, like, they were, like, given away, but they were given away for, like, a very small amount of money for what they are now, no matter what. If they were given away for. They were sold for $1 or sold for $1 billion, you cannot be NASCAR and take those away. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Yeah. You cannot agree. [01:05:30] Speaker B: You cannot. They have. [01:05:31] Speaker A: Just for the sake of control. [01:05:33] Speaker B: Yes. You have to be like, if it's. If it's going to be like a franchise or. And that's what they're calling it, then it's a lifetime charter. It's a. Whoever that family is, that team owns them forever, just like football teams. The son or daughter comes in and helps run it, or they hire someone else to run the team, but it's still owned by that sole person. And the only way it's getting sold is if that person sells it to the next person and they made a profit off of the situation. [01:06:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:05] Speaker B: If this was. If Shr shuts down ten years ago, they would literally not made money. What did they have to sell? Nothing. Builds their own. Everybody builds their own pieces and parts. There's no. You don't sell the piece. You can't sell anything. [01:06:24] Speaker A: That's where I was going with that was they had the pieces, the parts and the machines to make those pieces and parts, but probably by the time they got a chance to sell them, they were obsolete because somebody else already did it better. [01:06:34] Speaker B: Exactly. So now, at least if you sell and have. You have something to sell. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Say they sell these charters something of value. [01:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:42] Speaker A: It is your responsibility to build up your team, but at least you have something of value. Does it make it harder to get into the sport? Because there is basically a paywall. 100%. But at the end of the day, having that thing to sell is the whole reason we always praise BJ McLeod, because he took that situation he was in. [01:07:03] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:03] Speaker A: Sold that charger for $40 million, straight up profit. All he made was profit off of that. So now he can still race race cars and sit on his beach in Daytona, have two coronas instead of one. [01:07:14] Speaker B: Exactly. Hell, you could. You have 18 wheelers worth of coronas with $40 million. [01:07:19] Speaker A: Hell, yeah, he could have. You. [01:07:21] Speaker B: You have to have. You have something to sell. So at least now shr is going out of business. They have something to sell. Say they average. They sell those for $25 million apiece, which is just what I've heard is the going ish price now that there's multiple on the market. I don't think they're getting $40 million apiece for these charters. I just don't. But, okay, say they are 25 apiece, they can roll out of here, and I'm sure they got some debt and some things to pay off, but they're going to get paid $100 million. And Tony Stewart and Gene Haas aren't, like, hurting for money, but at least they have something to sell that makes the most sense from a business standpoint. Now, let's get to this other stupid thing of this. If the agreement is going to be only three teams, every single team. I'm a Hendrick fan. Fuck getting grandfathered in. [01:08:14] Speaker A: You go have to agree. [01:08:15] Speaker B: You're gonna have to sell the. And here again, I don't know how you tell them you have to sell a team. That doesn't make any sense, but if. [01:08:22] Speaker A: That, you're not gonna be able to. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it's never gonna work. And they propose. Yeah, they proposed this deal on Tuesday, I was told. And then you get to the media in the only two people that ever talk about it, which, thank God, we have guys that will talk about it now. Because if this was all the old owners back in the day, the fans would not know a single thing about this because NASCAR doesn't want you, the people, to know about all this. But thank God for Denny Hamlin and Brad Keselowski, their Saturday or Sunday, whenever they did their media availability and said, this thing still needs work, and it is still not correct. [01:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:59] Speaker B: And everyone, I love it. [01:09:01] Speaker A: Everyone has started. Every day Denny gets the glove a little bit further off because every day he starts saying a little bit more and getting a little bit more angry about it, and you can see it building in him. And I absolutely can't wait for every single episode of his podcast now just to see what else he's going to let us know about. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Because NASCAR is a bully. They've bullied all these people into doing all this stuff over the years, and you finally have guys being like, this is fucked. [01:09:29] Speaker A: They'd even. I love that they even told the teams and they told this on a podcast. It probably was Dale junior. I think it was Dale junior or Kelly Earnhardt talking to Elton Sawyer. And he comes on there and he says, we actually started meeting with the teams individually instead of as a big group because it just seemed like we could get a lot more done that way. And I was like, no, that is a prisoner's dilemma you are putting everybody into. You're going to this guy and saying, hey, he said he would do this. Why don't you want to do this? Hey, he said he would do this. And taking every little thing you want. [01:09:59] Speaker B: From each meetings and putting anything big. [01:10:02] Speaker A: Contract, anything that supports your side. Anything that supports your side. Well, I've already got teams that are signed up for this and this and this, and it may be individual teams have signed up for small things, but now you're going to go to me and present that package and just tell me straight to my face. Oh, yeah, we've already got a bunch of teams to agree to this. It'd be nice if you just could, too. Taking. Taking the group meetings away from the teams just shows you how much they want to have control over this situation. They were. They refused to meet with teams in a group setting anymore because I think that they just get bullied. They get bullied in those meetings, and they're using the lack of bully. [01:10:39] Speaker B: Bully them, be bullied. That is the thing. They don't like to have the taste of their own medicine, but absolutely ever. All the podcasts have been saying over the last couple weeks, like, this is gonna be the one that NASCAr is like, you're gonna sign it or you're not? These guys ain't gonna sign it. Yeah, these guys are not referring to sign it. [01:10:56] Speaker A: Then what do you do? [01:10:57] Speaker B: I don't know, and I don't know how that works, and that's for someone with a higher pay grade than me. [01:11:02] Speaker A: And it sucks that we have to talk about this as fans because this could affect the entire future of the sport. The way that this all breaks down, how teams operate, the money that they have to operate with the about amount of risk they're willing or able to take is all hinged around how this contract works out. So you may be tired of hearing about it, but this could be the whole reason why NASCAR either gets a lot better or a lot worse in the coming years, how this works out and we're in. [01:11:27] Speaker B: We're June 3, and this is supposed to be done before cars even touch the track in Daytona. No one. There's no way anyone expected this to go on this long. [01:11:37] Speaker A: No. [01:11:37] Speaker B: Now tv deal done. And now this is just hanging over everybody's head. It's like, what's gonna happen? You know? What's gonna happen? The whole thing's just crazy. [01:11:46] Speaker A: They know this is going to be a so much bigger story by the time the year is over than it ever has become so far. [01:11:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And thank God that we can finally hear about it, though, because I'm telling you. [01:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:57] Speaker B: Ten years ago, this would have been kept behind closed doors the way that NASCAR wanted it to be. [01:12:03] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:04] Speaker B: Still to this day, they want it to be that way. But with guys, all these guys that are in here and podcasts and people that are willing to talk, like the guy from spire on, Kelly Earnhardt, like Justin Marks, willing to talk. [01:12:17] Speaker A: You got Chris starting to say a few things. [01:12:21] Speaker B: Yes. Denny and Brad and Chris Ross. And it's like something's. It's gonna come to a. I don't know if they can, like, go on strike because they have to, like, have the races which, which the guy, Jeff, I think was his name, he's like, they can't not show up because their sponsorship obligations, like, they have to be there. [01:12:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:44] Speaker B: There's no, like, on strike situation, which is what makes this whole thing. There's just so many hands in the pot. Like I just said, with NASCAR, I didn't forgot to even bring in sponsors like NASCAR. The teams, the tracks, the sponsors, like, all this stuff. And it basically comes down to what Denny Hammond says, that the racetracks make so much money and don't give any of it away. I heard the greatest analogy yesterday from a page I follow on Twitter. And it's the reason that racetracks like Gateway are sold out and have awesome concerts and all this stuff because it's privately owned and they do all their own stuff with SMI. They used to use, like, they used to only go in and spend all their money at, like, Daytona and Charlotte, and then they would take all the other races. Like, Kentucky was just a race to put on to profit. Charlotte and Daytona. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:37] Speaker B: It wasn't to put things back into. [01:13:38] Speaker A: It was to build the bottom line. Yeah. [01:13:40] Speaker B: Yeah. They weren't gonna go put, they weren't gonna go put, you know, a big concert, spend the money at Kentucky, but they will at Charlotte or Daytona. And it just opens your eyes to so many things that are just so ass backwards. Just think if every single racetrack was owned and promoted like Gateway was this weekend, they had pre race concerts, post race race concerts which rip to those people that had to work after the race to set up a stage. I feel for you, hardcore. I feel for you. I never would have thought of that three years ago, but now I thought about that yesterday and they said they had a post race concert and I was like, oh, God, they gotta roll a stage out here and do all this work to get a show started. Like, sounds terrible. [01:14:21] Speaker A: After they, after the people were already entertained and are hammered. Yeah, you got a bunch of drunk people before you've even started to hang. [01:14:28] Speaker B: Out there all day in the sun. I hate that forum. I'm just, I'm not saying I hate that for the fans. I'm talking about for the guys that. [01:14:38] Speaker A: Are just for the guys. They do what we do. [01:14:40] Speaker B: Yeah. That's all I'm saying there. Yeah, it's great. [01:14:44] Speaker A: The fans absolutely love. Great. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Did they do that? And I've heard Wendell and those guys talk about how back in the nineties they did post races like Michigan and Pocono and places like that, all privately owned racetracks. I must say back in the nineties. And they were awesome because everyone's hammered and it's like just another level of craziness. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't actually know the answer to this. Who owns Rockingham nowadays? Is it SMi Rockingham, an independent racetrack? [01:15:12] Speaker B: I don't know. Because they probably, because they're gone. [01:15:16] Speaker A: They've been hosted, they've been posting a lot about the upgrades they've been making to that racetrack. And you can tell just through everything that they say that they want a NASCAR race so damn bad. And we'll do North Wilkesboro, had Charlotte. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Got a grant, huge grant of money to make shit happen. [01:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And you can see it in every one of their posts how bad they want that race. Dude, they want it bad. They are talking about the safer barriers that they've installed, the repave on their track, the track facility upgrades that they're making. They want a NASCAR race. [01:15:50] Speaker B: Let me just put this out here. [01:15:52] Speaker A: Though. [01:15:55] Speaker B: And not that there's. I haven't really heard anything about this, but there's no way Rockingham spends all that money to do all that stuff without knowing something is happening. [01:16:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:06] Speaker B: That makes sense for everyone. Like, you're not going to go put safer barriers in, which is a huge financial thing that you have to do at your racetrack, but you're not going to do all that if you don't know that their race cars coming to your racetrack. Yep, in my opinion, agree, so. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Oh, I hope they. I hope they do it. But, yeah, they've been posting a lot about it, too. So I think there's. There's small little things that are happening here and there, but every day, Marcus Smith gets a little less popular. Every day, NASCAR gets the teams and drivers a little bit more pissed off. And every day, the drivers and the teams are looking for new ways to try to get their pieces of the pie that they rightfully deserve. [01:16:49] Speaker B: It's all about the money. [01:16:55] Speaker A: I know, man. When I started watching in 2017, you know, whose name I never heard about was Marcus Smiths? I mean, I know you probably were hearing about it because you were more deep into it, but I heard team names, and I heard drivers names, and I heard the names of the folks in the booth. Everything else outside of that, as a fan, that's what I know. And I'll throw you back to the day that I cannot remember. I want to say it was Formula one, but they go to Indianapolis, they're going to race that road course. And the way that they had recently redone the track and the fact that the tires were so damn soft there, you had only, like, four people start the race because everybody else finished the parade lap and protest for how dangerous the track situation was and the fact that they weren't doing anything about it. 18 of 28, like, 16 of 20 cars parked on pit road and did not start that race. They never ran a single lap. [01:17:52] Speaker B: I don't see any of that. But it would be so cool to see it happen. [01:17:56] Speaker A: That is the thing that did happen. They had a diamond, diamond grading done to the track, and it basically chewed the tires up so bad that the race car drivers genuinely felt unsafe behind their cars, and they were like, somebody's gonna die if we put this race on. And only four actual teams started the race, and they raced the whole thing with four cars. [01:18:18] Speaker B: They should do that at the Charlotte Roble. [01:18:20] Speaker A: That'd be incredible. [01:18:22] Speaker B: That'd be the race that would happen. [01:18:25] Speaker A: That's in the playoffs, too. I know that'd be nuts. Just start and park them. So they can't necessarily take away their playoff eligibility, but they can't say that they didn't. [01:18:35] Speaker B: Uh, that's how you have to complete one lap. You'd have to complete one lap and then pull it down pit road. [01:18:42] Speaker A: Imagine they throw the green flag, and three or four guys try to race their ass off to get around, and the other guys just continue at pace, cover speed around the entire track and then come around and then just drive down pit road, stop the cars, turn them off, drop the net, get out and just throw that out there. If, listen, if it ever happened, it. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Would happen at a place. It would happen at Charlotte if it ever happened. One, one, because Charlotte's the Roval and they will not put it back on the. [01:19:13] Speaker A: Oh yes. [01:19:13] Speaker B: One, it's because it's the home track for SMI and one, it's the home base of everybody. [01:19:20] Speaker A: NASCAR. You wouldn't be like giving a giant middle finger from across the street. [01:19:25] Speaker B: Yes. And you wouldn't have to spend. Chris Rice said it costed $220,000 per car to get to Portland. Golly, here we go again for an, you know what the smallest purse is for any race in Xfinity series? Portland. [01:19:47] Speaker A: You're kidding. [01:19:48] Speaker B: Why is there a standalone race on the west coast for Xfinity series cars? Same thing the cup guys say about going to LA. Yeah, LA does not pay. The class does not pay like a normal, normal purse for a race is like 7 million to $8 million. The purse for the clash is like 1 million. That's 1 million split between 36 teams. [01:20:18] Speaker A: Yeah. And every team has 40 something employees that are at the track alone. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Hotels and gas and people and all the things, dude. Holy shit. [01:20:29] Speaker A: And whoever race car Chris Ross doesn't. [01:20:31] Speaker B: Make $220,000 per car. They spent half a million dollars just to get to Portland. That does not count when AJ Alma dinger backed us the 16 car into the wall. [01:20:43] Speaker A: Think about all that, you know, the tires and everything else that they have to add on to once they're there. That's just unbelievable. [01:20:50] Speaker B: It's crazy. [01:20:51] Speaker A: But that's, that's the situation we're in. So I felt like at some point we had to mention it a little bit and get, get on a deep dive on another. That's going to push this podcast long. But every now and then I do like to remind people that we do have a serious side and we do care. That's where we're at with the whole thing. I'm glad we got to talk about that. [01:21:10] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. It's just like something's going to give and it could give in a big damn way. [01:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Soon that could. So everybody keep your eye out on that. We'll try to keep you up to date. We'll try not to get too angry, but it's really hard. Anyway, what's your hack of the week, dude? [01:21:27] Speaker B: You already know hack of the week. Fox already has algar in the five car list. It has Shane van Gisbergen listed in the 16 in a race he was not in and has Casgraw listed in the 15 car. [01:21:47] Speaker A: Who's. [01:21:48] Speaker B: Who's in charge of putting any of this stuff together? And does it not get looked over before it gets. Obviously it does not before it gets sent out to the masses for everyone to see? [01:21:58] Speaker A: I know. That just, that blew my mind. I couldn't believe that they. That that oversight happened. That's one of those small things. That's a way bigger deal than it needs to be. Kind of like I was talking about with that damn dog board in place. They may have pissed me off yesterday, but it was the other things that they had done the day before that just slowly accumulate the amount of wrongdoing. So after all the mistakes fox has made as a broadcaster that have already been pointed out so publicly, to do something so asinine, it makes no sense. It makes no sense why they would let that fall through the cracks. [01:22:32] Speaker B: There's someone's things that they keep doing. Dude, this is the third year in the row. Not that I'm like, oh, my God, I got to see the big pyro thing at gateway. Third year in a row. They've not showed it on the broadcast. [01:22:43] Speaker A: They did show on the broadcast to start the race. They didn't show it live. Yeah, they didn't show it. [01:22:48] Speaker B: They didn't show it live. That's what I'm talking about. [01:22:50] Speaker A: They all show in the fire and everything. [01:22:54] Speaker B: They did show that at the end, during and when it happened, though. The people are talking about it on the broadcast. Yeah, we don't watch, doesn't get shown. We have to. Again, same thing with, like, Kevin Harvick's podcast. Last time we get people, we talking about the podcast. There's a damn green flag racing going on. We already got to spend half the race on commercials, and boom, we're gonna look at the guys in the booth and just sit here and watch this. This is great. I love watching them and talk in the booth, and there's cars going around in the track. And then to top it all off, we have a side by side view battle for the lead, and it just shows the same two kids in the stands on a side by side cut. We're so literally Clint boy. And then we're talking about a battle for the lead, and they got a kid and his buddy in this frame, and then in the right hand side of the frame, it's just the one kid, but the same kids in the same picture that. Why are they showing that? [01:23:48] Speaker A: I don't know, man. I love that. They did have one win for me yesterday, and I mentioned it to you in the text, but I died laughing when Clint Boyer, after the credit one ones to watch thing happens. At the start of stage three, Clint Boyer picks the whole Penske organization he's kept on bringing up to Kevin Harvey. Look at those guys running one, two, three. Who is that? Who's that? Run of one, two, three. Is that all the Penske guys I picked? I don't care about no C bell. I'm looking at the guys running one, two, three. He probably said it seven times in a row. Just giving Harvick shit. And the graphics department puts up a little graphic at the bottom of the running order, and it just says, penske running order 1st, 2nd, third, and just, I could tell they were trolling Clint Boyer. So that's so funny that they'll take the time to do that, but they won't get everything else right. [01:24:36] Speaker B: Brutal. [01:24:37] Speaker A: Crack me up. [01:24:37] Speaker B: Who's your. [01:24:38] Speaker A: Absolutely cracked me up? Ryan Bueny's gas man dude. [01:24:41] Speaker B: Ooh. Or crew chief. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Well, crew chief, but it's just funnier to say gas man because you know exactly what I'm talking about. But I knew, I knew, I knew, I knew. As soon as coming off a turn four, like I said earlier, he had a problem, and the first thing I thought was, hmm, remember how much they were bragging on the fact that they've leapfrogged Austin Cendrick coming out of that pit stop and beat him by, like, 2 seconds off? That was probably a reason. [01:25:05] Speaker B: And that was the gas he needed. [01:25:06] Speaker A: That extra, that little bit of lead he gained was every second of gas he didn't, they needed. I mean, it probably was like, a quarter of a second longer on the gas tank. That would have made it. Yeah, fine, but missed it by that much. So I. I'm a Blaine fan, dude. I've got to give it to his crew chief for not giving him enough gas. Crew chief and gas man combo. Suspend them for six weeks. It is what it is. [01:25:30] Speaker B: Blindy said, come out of the corner. I can't believe you ran me out of fucking gas, man. [01:25:34] Speaker A: Yeah, for real. We're out of gas. How the fuck did you let that happen, dude? I know I'm cussing a lot, but that is exactly how the radio transmission worked, and I don't have a fancy beeper machine, but that was my. That was easily, quickly my hack of the week. I do have another award to give out today. The helper brother out award. Truex pushing c bell down the straightaway probably saved him a top ten finish for sure. And that was incredible to watch. [01:26:04] Speaker B: I agree. [01:26:04] Speaker A: That was such a cool teammate moment. Getting pushed down the track, finishing an 8th instead of finishing probably in like 15th or 16th that he would have finished otherwise. All thanks to Martin Truex being three laps down helping him out. That was really cool. [01:26:18] Speaker B: It was. [01:26:20] Speaker A: But, huh. Man, what a great. What a. What a great weekend. I am not ever going to recover from this weekend. What a great race fan. Hell, yeah. That, too. Between being a race fan and being this hungover, man, I'm having a rough Sunday Monday, but I'll get over it one day. [01:26:39] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Well, that's probably it for this one. [01:26:42] Speaker A: Heck yeah. [01:26:43] Speaker B: I think. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Catch us on our social media channels. You got Caleb Khan, rowdy. You can find me everywhere except for at a bar in any of the next four to five days. [01:26:55] Speaker B: Dawson Edwards. Music across the board raise. Riding Nicky T. Matt Burrell. Raise. Ready. Racing across the board. Thought we got some good sound bites in this one, so be good to. [01:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah. If anybody has a spare one lying around, please send Dawson Edwards a measuring glass so that way he doesn't overpower my drinks ever again. If somebody could get that to him, it'd be awesome. Just make sure it's got a big old Alabama A on the side. But we'll sign the card. Go braves. It'll make his day. Anyway, that's all we got for you today, y'all. Thanks for sticking around, and let's go fix this charter deal. What you say? [01:27:36] Speaker B: See y'all. [01:27:38] Speaker A: See y'all. [01:27:49] Speaker B: I don't drive a Monte Carlo and my truck ain't painted black. It ain't got a big white number three turn and lift around the track. But you can hear me coming from a mile and a half away. These good years can't handle dirt. Don't. I don't need no curves with banks. What I like in horses, I make up with four by four. I'm in and out of traffic till I make it to your door. Checkers records my rapids, hammered on the gas. I'm making my way to you, girl. Girl, earn hard, fast.